ON THE LAW OF GOD PART 1

[jeremiah1five]

But only Father counts legally in God's reckoning.

The geneaology of Mary is given to establish that she is of the line of David, making Jesus a blood son of David.
Joseph's genealogy, his legal father and, therefore, geneaology of legal record, is given to establish Jesus is of the kingly line of David through Solomon.

That's correct.
But the only parentage that counts is God.

 

[Eleanor]

The ONLY Laws not in effect are the Sacrificial Laws.

No, the food laws, the defilement laws, the cleansing laws, the feasts, etc. are no in effect, they are abolisihed (Eph 2:15).

We are still under obligation and command to obey the other two-parts of the Law (Social/Moral.)

The Decalogue is fulfilled by love (Ro 8:9).

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, pThou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore rlove is the fulfilling of the law. Rom. 13:8–10.

Also, other Laws guiding Christians such as not muzzling the ox as he treads the corn.

That is applied in the NT to financial support of the pastor by the assembly.The ONLY Laws not in effect are the Sacrificial Laws. We are still under obligation and command to obey the other two-parts of the Law (Social/Moral.)8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore rlove is the fulfilling of the law. Rom. 13:8–10.

31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. Rom. 3:3

Do we preach antinomiaism (Lawlessness)?
No, we preach sanctification.

 

[Eleanor]

That's correct.
But the only parentage that counts is God.

In terms of divinity, yes.

But in terms of God's promise, the Messiah must come from David.

 

[jeremiah1five]

No, the food laws, the defilement laws, the cleansing laws, the feasts, etc. are no in effect, they are abolisihed (Eph 2:15).

The Decalogue is fulfilled by love (Ro 8:9).

That is applied in the NT to financial support of the pastor by the assembly.

Do we preach antinomiaism (Lawlessness)?
No, we preach sanctification.

God knows best. There's nothing wrong with His dietary, cleansing, Laws. We love our hamburgers too much, etc.
I don't know your place in the body of Christ, nor do I know your spiritual gifts to accomplish that call.
Do you?

The command is obeyed when we love the brethren. Only.

We are not to give that which is holy (love) to dogs (non-Covenant) nor are we to cast our pearls (the Word of God) to swine.

Let those so called to those ministries do such work.
But we are to always be ready to give the reason for the hope in us WHEN asked. Until then, be the living epistle and let the Lord bring 'them' to you unless actually lead to them.
I don't believe we are all apostles, or prophets, or evangelists, or pastors or teachers. Too much mimicking other persons gifts because everyone is taught to preach the gospel. Let those so called do those administrations as led by the Spirit.
In the meantime let every man be about their OWN business and stop being busy-bodies.

 

[jeremiah1five]

In terms of divinity, yes.

But in terms of God's promise, the Messiah must come from David.

I don't disagree.

 

[Eleanor]

God knows best. There's nothing wrong with His dietary, cleansing, Laws. We love our hamburgers too much, etc.
I don't know your place in the body of Christ, nor do I know your spiritual gifts to accomplish that call.
Do you?

What call?

The text of Eph 2:15?

The command is obeyed when we love the brethren. Only.

The Jewish context of Jesus' parable shows that "neighbor" includes those whom one thinks are not in the people of God.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Christ is the Old Lawgiver still.

Do you know how a slave is struck?
They are struck with the palm of the hand.

Not sure what you are saying, Jeremiah but this has been a good conversation. Thanks.

 

[jeremiah1five]

What call?

The text of Eph 2:15?

The Jewish context of Jesus' parable shows that "neighbor" includes those whom one thinks are not in the people of God.

So, Jesus DID change the original Law God commanded His people of loving fellow Covenant members to now include those NOT in Covenant with God?
That's what you're saying?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Not sure what you are saying, Jeremiah but this has been a good conversation. Thanks.

If someone strikes you unjustly it must be a given they are standing right in front of you.
To strike someone unjustly means they strike you with the palm of their

hand across your left cheek.
To turn the other cheek means you present your right cheek and the person is required to bring their hand in opposite arc and strike you one the right cheek with the back of their hand thus signifying an 'honorable' strike.
Ya falla?​

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

If someone strikes you unjustly it must be a given they are standing right in front of you.
To strike someone unjustly means they strike you with the palm of their

hand across your left cheek.
To turn the other cheek means you present your right cheek and the person is required to bring their hand in opposite arc and strike you one the right cheek with the back of their hand thus signifying an 'honorable' strike.
Ya falla?​

Sure...but the point still stands. You would never infer one from the other.

 

[jeremiah1five]

What call?

The text of Eph 2:15?

The Jewish context of Jesus' parable shows that "neighbor" includes those whom one thinks are not in the people of God.

What call?

Are you or are you not saved and a member of the Body of Christ?
Every born-again believer is Holy Spirit baptized INTO the Body of Christ.
This is what Paul is saying here:

14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 1 Cor. 12:14–27.

The Five-Fold Ministry of God are the five digits in the hand of God: apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, and teacher. Christ is apostle not the man or woman. Christ is prophet not the man or woman. Christ is the evangelist not the man or woman. Christ is pastor/shepherd not the man or woman. Christ is teacher not the man or woman. Many parts in the Body of Christ. Then there are the spiritual gifts God gives the person to accomplish your calling.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 1 Cor. 12:8–11.

Also:
4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office: 5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another. 6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith; 7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching; 8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. Rom. 12:4–8.

And this list is not exhaustive. Basically, all believers saved by God have a place in the Body of Christ and spiritual gifts (as above) that help them accomplish that call. Consider: the heart has a place in the body. It pumps blood. That function is not given to the brain. The brain is a part of the body but it does not function to pump blood.
Consider: twelve apostles. The apostle corresponds to the thumb in the hand of God. BUT, each apostle of the Lamb had various spiritual gifts to accomplish their call as apostle. Peter was apostle and let's say for the sake of argument his spiritual gifts were "discerning of spirits and prophecy, while Paul was apostle with the spiritual gifts of word of knowledge, word of wisdom, tongues, interpretation of tongues, and prophecy. Some believers in the Body of Christ have at least ONE spiritual gift and some have more depending on the God that graced them with their gifts.

Example:
Now there were in the church that was at Antioch certain prophets and teachers; as Barnabas, and Simeon that was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen, which had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul. 2 As they ministered to the Lord, and fasted, the Holy Ghost said, Separate me Barnabas and Saul for the work whereunto I have called them. Acts 13:1-2.

Q: How did the Holy Ghost communicate to the believers He wanted Barnabas and aul "to the work have called them?"
A: Through the gift of prophecy (most likely through the prophet in this fellowship as they had 'church.')

Then, there was a period of time to pray and fast and again the Holy Ghost confirmed His earlier speaking (prophecy) to separate Barnabas and Saul.

3 And when they had fasted and prayed, and laid their hands on them, they sent them away. 4 So they, being sent forth by the Holy Ghost, departed unto Seleucia; and from thence they sailed to Cyprus. Acts 13:3–4.

Through knowledge and experience are these gifts of God exercised and matured. But one MUST be in a church where these gifts are exercised and experienced. Just like the Church at Antioch.

The belief that ALL apostles have to have seen Jesus personally and have the ability to do miracles is to put God in a box. We are NOT ALL apostles. We do NOT ALL have the same spiritual gifts. So, the instruction to "preach the gospel" as given by Christ in Matthew 28:19-20 was given specifically to the eleven (and earlier, to the twelve Matt. 10.) Remember the context. An evangelist 'preaches the gospel,' and we are NOT ALL evangelists. An apostle is merely one who is sent. OK. Sent to do what for God? That's the question. It varies. And an apostle does not all have the same spiritual gift to accomplish that call of being sent.
Are you getting any of this?

So, if you are a believer in Christ, you have a place in the Body of Christ and at least ONE spiritual gift to accomplish that place and call in the Body. So, where is your place in the Body of Christ and what are your spiritual gift(s) to accomplish that call? It's apparent you don't know. As with every believer who doesn't KNOW their place in the Body or their spiritual gift(s) they like ships without a rudder and most likely mimicking and copying someone else's place and gifts in the Body since the teaching in the Church is that WE ARE ALL supposed to "preach the gospel" Again, we are not all evangelists. We all have a place in the Body and possess at least one spiritual gift to serve God.
I'll stop here.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Sure...but the point still stands. You would never infer one from the other.

Arrgh...Sometimes, Crazy, I wish I can just smack you upside the head!

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Arrgh...Sometimes, Crazy, I wish I can just smack you upside the head!

It has been often remarked so. In a gentle Christian way.

Eye for an eye. If I kungfu snatch your eye out you do the same to me. That's fair.
Tooth for a tooth. If I take a pair of pliers too your face...well...say "Ah".

If slapped on one side, insist they slap the other also.

Never in a million years would anyone ever infer from the first two things the third.

This is why it's not a spiritual extension. It's not a better, higher version. It is a *new* law.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It has been often remarked so. In a gentle Christian way.

Eye for an eye. If I kungfu snatch your eye out you do the same to me. That's fair.
Tooth for a tooth. If I take a pair of pliers too your face...well...say "Ah".

If slapped on one side, insist they slap the other also.

Never in a million years would anyone ever infer from the first two things the third.

This is why it's not a spiritual extension. It's not a better, higher version. It is a *new* law.

If the command is eye for eye, which is a command of grace, then, knowing you'd lose an eye if you pluck mine out is to restrict you from taking out my eye if you know you'd lose yours.
THIS keeps 'you' in line.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Matthew 5:
33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not make false vows, but shall fulfill your vows to the Lord.’34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,

Not "better, higher"...but exact opposite. A new law.

Ya folla?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Matthew 5:
33 “Again, you have heard that the ancients were told, ‘You shall not make false vows, but shall fulfill your vows to the Lord.’34 But I say to you, make no oath at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,

Not "better, higher"...but exact opposite. A new law.

Ya folla?

Post the original law.
Please.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

If the command is eye for eye, which is a command of grace, then, knowing you'd lose an eye if you pluck mine out is to restrict you from taking out my eye if you know you'd lose yours.
THIS keeps 'you' in line.

It might have caused some to think twice. And I applaud it for doing so. But it would not have existed had it kept all away from eye snatching.

Now in the Christian life we no longer have the "Law" given to the Hebrews at Sinai. We are not lawless, as Paul has said, but we are not under that old Law. Point of fact the gentiles were never under the "Law" to begin with. So says Romans. And yet all men before the "Law" was given *died* proving them sinners. For all who sin must die. But by what law? No law at all...but by offense directly against God.

You see the "Law" given to the Jews at Sinai is good, and holy, and true...but it cannot help anyone. It can only accuse. It can only kill.

Anywho...my hobby horse. I'll bow out now, Jeremiah.

 

[CrazyCalvinistUncle]

Post the original law.
Please.

Why? I'm walking down the line I opened up and you stepped into. The Lord Jesus did not destroy the Law. He did not translate it into some better, higher version of the same Law. He is the new law giver.

As I said I'm stepping out now. Sorry if I've caused you distress.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It might have caused some to think twice. And I applaud it for doing so. But it would not have existed had it kept all away from eye snatching.

Now in the Christian life we no longer have the "Law" given to the Hebrews at Sinai. We are not lawless, as Paul has said, but we are not under that old Law. Point of fact the gentiles were never under the "Law" to begin with. So says Romans. And yet all men before the "Law" was given *died* proving them sinners. For all who sin must die. But by what law? No law at all...but by offense directly against God.

You see the "Law" given to the Jews at Sinai is good, and holy, and true...but it cannot help anyone. It can only accuse. It can only kill.

Anywho...my hobby horse. I'll bow out now, Jeremiah.

One more time.
The Law is type and shadow of the Holy Spirit.
HE is the Law God Promised to put inside us.

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel;
After those days, saith the LORD,
I will put my law in their inward parts,
And write it in their hearts;
And will be their God,
And they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying,
Know the LORD:
For they shall all know me,
From the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD:
For I will forgive their iniquity,
And I will remember their sin no more.
Jer. 31:33–34.

Those whose names are not in the book of life do not receive this "law/Holy Spirit" in their hearts God Promised His people.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Why? I'm walking down the line I opened up and you stepped into. The Lord Jesus did not destroy the Law. He did not translate it into some better, higher version of the same Law. He is the new law giver.

As I said I'm stepping out now. Sorry if I've caused you distress.

Ah Ha!