Mystery of the most holy trinity!

[donadams]

Not my fault the trinitarian bible only contains 7-8 prooftexts that when the local and remote context is considered are proven false.

Is Jesus Christ the “word of God”?
Try a yes or no answer

 

[Mr GLee]

Is Jesus Christ the “word of God”?
Try a yes or no answer

Christ speaks the word of God . He is not a word . He is a person .By his powerful faith as labor of His love he moved the Son of man Jesus to do the will of the unseen Holy Father

God is not a man. He is the unseen eternal Creator of mankind. He created jesus the Son of man. Jesus cried out, Abba Holy Father not a I will (no power ) but you Father, the one the all the power needed to raise the dead to newness of born again life

 

[donadams]

Are you saying the warning in 1st John 2 is made to no effect because of that verse? It does the the oposite .it confirms the warning 1 John 2 .

God does not send out men who violate the warning . It only shows false prophet, bringing false doctrines of dying mankin ( oral traditions)?

Jn 20:21

 

[donadams]

Are you saying the warning in 1st John 2 is made to no effect because of that verse? It does the the oposite .it confirms the warning 1 John 2 .

God does not send out men who violate the warning . It only shows false prophet, bringing false doctrines of dying mankin ( oral traditions)?

Oral traditions of the apostles dying mankind

1 John 4:6
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error

 

[Runningman]

Is Jesus Christ the “word of God”?
Try a yes or no answer

The Bible doesn't say he is or isn't the "word of God," but based on all evidence I would say that's a hard no. The scripture is clear that Jesus and the word of God aren't the same.

Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[donadams]

The Bible doesn't say he is or isn't the "word of God," but based on all evidence I would say that's a hard no. The scripture is clear that Jesus and the word of God aren't the same.

Revelation 1
1This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass. He made it known by sending His angel to His servant John, 2who testifies to everything he saw. This is the word of God and the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

So this does not refer to Jesus Christ?

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The Word is the life, Jesus is the life

The word is truth, Jesus is truth

Word is the light, Jesus is the light of the world Jn 8:12

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld hisglory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So the word cannot be the father yet is God???

Does this one refer to Jesus?

1 Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Thanks

 

[grace2]

The Bible doesn't say he is or isn't the "word of God," but based on all evidence I would say that's a hard no. The scripture is clear that Jesus and the word of God aren't the same.

They think those kinds of words are a mystery.

As if it unlocks the mysterious doctrine.

His Father sent Jesus that he would be good enough to take His word seriously.

 

[Runningman]

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

So this does not refer to Jesus Christ?

Jn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

The Word is the life, Jesus is the life

The word is truth, Jesus is truth

Word is the light, Jesus is the light of the world Jn 8:12

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld hisglory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

So the word cannot be the father yet is God???

Does this one refer to Jesus?

1 Jn 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Thanks

Are you aware of any of the Greek in John 1:1? I am just asking in case you didn't know this verse can be translated differently and actually accurately. It's okay if you don't, but the reality is there are two uses of God in John 1:1. Ton theon and theos. That means The God and a god or something godly.

 

[donadams]

They think those kinds of words are a mystery.

As if it unlocks the mysterious doctrine.

His Father sent Jesus that he would be good enough to take His word seriously.

So is Jesus Christ the Word?

 

[donadams]

Are you aware of any of the Greek in John 1:1? I am just asking in case you didn't know this verse can be translated differently and actually accurately. It's okay if you don't, but the reality is there are two uses of God in John 1:1. Ton theon and theos. That means The God and a god or something godly.

No Greek non-sense please!

It says the “word was God” period!
Also it says the “word was with God in the beginning”, and only God existed in the beginning.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[Runningman]

No Greek non-sense please!

It says the “word was God” period!
Also it says the “word was with God in the beginning”, and only God existed in the beginning.

Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

You’re going to have to interact with the “Greek nonsense” the New Testament was translated from if you’re serious about studying it. Do you at least read a concordance like Strong’s sometimes?

Why was the word in the beginning an it that manifested a person according to 1 John 1:1-3?

 

[donadams]

Heresy condemned by the apostolic authority!

Heterodoxy: error!

Monarchianism: The belief that God is one person.

One divine nature - one divine person

Modalism: The belief that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but three different aspects of the same person. AKA Sabellianism

One divine person acting in three modes

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Orthodoxy: Truth!

Christian faith: Holy Trinity
Matt 3:16-17 Matt 17:5 Matt 28:19 col 1:26 1 Jn 5:7

One divine nature - Three divine persons

Three divine persons acting in union

Jesus Christ is the eternally begotten Son of God: Lk 1:35
The Holy One: acts 3:14

 

[Runningman]

Heresy condemned by the apostolic authority!

Heterodoxy: error!

Monarchianism: The belief that God is one person.

One divine nature - one divine person

Modalism: The belief that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but three different aspects of the same person. AKA Sabellianism

One divine person acting in three modes

No one cares about the what the "apostolic authority" is. The Bible says otherwise. Deal with it.

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Orthodoxy: Truth!

Christian faith: Holy Trinity
Matt 3:16-17 Matt 17:5 Matt 28:19 col 1:26 1 Jn 5:7

One divine nature - Three divine persons

Three divine persons acting in union

Jesus Christ is the eternally begotten Son of God: Lk 1:35
The Holy One: acts 3:14

So you believe whatever the councils said rather than what the Bible says? What does the Christian Bible not explain or describe what you refer to as the Trinity if it's a Christian doctrine?

 

[donadams]

No one cares about the what the "apostolic authority" is. The Bible says otherwise. Deal with it.


So you believe whatever the councils said rather than what the Bible says? What does the Christian Bible not explain or describe what you refer to as the Trinity if it's a Christian doctrine?

The Bible is part of sacred tradition
It comes from sacred tradition
Only sacred tradition can declare what is and what is not scripture, and it’s proper authoritative meaning or interpretation

The apostolic authority existed n the church before the New Testament and wrote it by the spirit

Before the New Testament was written the apostolic church exercised authority and teaching

The apostolic church was commanded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation Matt 28:19

Yet you question Christ and his church and his revelation!

Pride, presumption, and arrogance are the root of Protestant fundamentalism Jn 8:32 the truth (Jesus Christ) shall make you free

The opposite is also true you are enslaved in bondage by false doctrine!

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:24 and apostolic Matt 16:18-19 Matt 28:19 Matt 18:18 eph 2:20

More to follow

 

[donadams]

Is the word of God limited to scripture?

Scripture Verses that contradict the “Bible is our ONLY AUTHORITY”!

Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
Matt 13:11
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Lk 10:16
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:26
Acts 8:31
Acts 18:25
Rom 10:15
1 cor 4:11
1 cor 11:23
1 thes 2:23
2 thes 2:2
2 thes 2:15
Col 2:7
Eph 4:5
Heb 13:7
Heb 13:17
1 Tim 3:15
1 Jn 1:3-5
1 Jn 4:6
2 Jn 1:12
Jude 1:3

How can it be said scripture is “sole authority” or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture itself says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15

 

[donadams]

Sacred tradition:

(Note: not traditions, habits, customs etc.)

Sacred Tradition / apostolic tradition

Every word the apostles heard from the mouth of Christ and were commanded to teach to all men!

The truths revealed by Christ and commanded by Christ to be taught by the apostles to all men!

Matt 28:19 does NOT say: go and teach all men to observe “scripture alone”, it does Not say go write books and let the people make their own faith!

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Commanded to teach not to write “scripture alone”!

Commanded tradition not “scripture alone”!

Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Apostolic tradition (doctrine) Not scripture alone”!

Nor is there more than one Christian faith revealed by Christ and taught by the apostolic church!
Eph 4:5

The Authority of the apostolic church is binds the conscience of every Christian to believe the Christian faith or the truths revealed by Christ and found in the creeds, dogma’s and Decree’s of apostolic councils.

The apostles are commanded by Christ to teach tradition.

We are commanded by Christ to obey tradition. Matt 28:19-20
Tradition (oral teaching) or every word the apostles heard from the mouth of Christ.

Obedience of faith! Rom 16:26

And scripture supports tradition.

Example of tradition: 1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you…

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Only Christ has authority to establish the one true church and to send the apostles to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation, all sects are full of errors and the tradition of men devoid of grace, truth, and authority.


One mediator:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

On the level of justice Christ is the only mediator, obtaining atonement, grace, mercy, and salvation.

Anyone in the communion of saints can pray and intercede for those in need, and the apostles mediate between Christ and the church, the communion of saints. Matt 28:20

And the angels minister to those who will inherit salvation. Heb 1:14

 

[donadams]

The default position of Monarchianism is that Jesus is human, therefore He CANNOT be divine!

He has a human nature so He CANNOT have a divine nature!

This spiritual blindness is condemned by the holy apostolic church in the council of nicea with the hypostatic union and Chalcedon with the two wills in Christ!

Matt 16:19 Matt 18:18 the apostolic church has authority from Christ to BIND the conscience of all Christians to believe the Holy and undivided trinity!

Jesus Christ is true God and true man!

No mere man cannot be eternal!
Christ is eternal! Heb

No mere man cannot be the “holy son of God”!
Christ is the “holy son of God”! Lk 1:35

No mere man can be holy without God’s grace!
Jesus Christ is holy! Lk 1:35

No mere man has authority (in his own person) to rebuke the winds and the sea!
Jesus Christ has this authority! Matt 8:26-27 (they marveled how can a man do this)

No mere man can be the resurrection!
Jesus Christ is the resurrection! Jn 11:25

No mere man can be the source of Life!
Jesus Christ is the life! Jn 10:10 Jn 14:6 eph 2:1 & 2:5

 

[grace2]

No one cares about the what the "apostolic authority" is. The Bible says otherwise. Deal with it.


So you believe whatever the councils said rather than what the Bible says? What does the Christian Bible not explain or describe what you refer to as the Trinity if it's a Christian doctrine?

well said.

 

[donadams]

well said.

Bible say different acts 2:42
Christ says different Matt 28:29 Lk 1:4 lk 10:16 matt 5:14 Matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15

 

[Runningman]

The Bible is part of sacred tradition
It comes from sacred tradition
Only sacred tradition can declare what is and what is not scripture, and it’s proper authoritative meaning or interpretation

Tradition isn't scripture.

The apostolic authority existed n the church before the New Testament and wrote it by the spirit

Before the New Testament was written the apostolic church exercised authority and teaching

Not according to scripture.

The apostolic church was commanded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation Matt 28:19

Yet you question Christ and his church and his revelation!

Pride, presumption, and arrogance are the root of Protestant fundamentalism Jn 8:32 the truth (Jesus Christ) shall make you free

The opposite is also true you are enslaved in bondage by false doctrine!

None of those verses say what you claim they do.

Christ and his church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:24 and apostolic Matt 16:18-19 Matt 28:19 Matt 18:18 eph 2:20

The "apostolic authority" idea you have is just your excuse to believe what the Bible doesn't say which is why you're appealing to tradition rather than Scripture at this point.

More to follow

Please don't.