Monophysites?

[JIM]

If the Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity, then all three are not the third person of the Trinity. What Christianity teaches is that those three are spirit----that is, not material as we know material. They are invisible. It does not teach that all three are divine Spirit. What you present is a Trinity being described as a non- Trinity. The three persons are all equal in essence but are three distinct. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (The expression is never given as Father, Word and Holy Spirit.) "Word" is used in John 1 for a specific reason, which I gave in another post. I will do so again if you would like.

First, I understand (sort of) why the "Word" is used in John 1. But that does not change the fact of who Jesus was before He took upon Himself the physical body of the human being. Second, I believe that God is Spirit; the Holy Spirit is Spirit; and I believe that Jesus, the Word, before the incarnation was Spirit. I believe they are each three different, distinct, divine Spirits. Call them Spirit 1, Spirit 2 and Spirit 3. When Jesus was born, He became a human being. A human being is flesh and blood with a spirit. The flesh and blood are from the physical reproductive process; the spirit comes from God. For the discussion here I won't bother to distinguish between soul and spirit

Yes, But our spirit is not an entity separate from the whole of us. Spirit (little "s") is used in Scripture as "life" and also in the same way as "heart" when it is denoting the usness of us.

In a manner of speaking, our spirit is not separate from us, but it is distinct. It is not life, per se. Animals have life, they do not have a spirit. And this is where the distinction between soul and spirit lies. But again, I don't want to get into that discussion. The significant point here is that I believe that each and every spirit of mankind comes separately and distinctly from God (Zech 12:1; Eccl 12:7). When exactly I am not sure. But likely it comes at conception or perhaps when blood first begins to flow in the fetus. God says the life is in the blood (Lev 17:11, 14).

When it says "the Word became flesh and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), I believe that to be literally true. I believe that the Word, Spirit 2, took on the body of a human being as the fetus in Mary's womb. I can't prove that, but it is the only thing that makes sense to me. I believe that Hebrews 2:14 makes the same claim when it says there, "Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same thing". I believe that the "he, himself" in that verse was the Word, Spirit 2, the preincarnate Jesus.

Of course He did. If he didn't he would not be alive and he would not have feelings, desires, emotions, motion, speech, etc. But his human spirit was not divine or the two natures would have been mixed. And here you have made the Spirit incarnate, not the Son (Word if you prefer.) Jesus was fully human in the incarnation (flesh and blood) and as the eternal Son was fully divine.

As I said, the human being is composed of flesh and blood, the physical body, and the spirit. The body from the parents, the spirit from God. In the case of Jesus, His spirit came not from God as does ours, rather His spirit was the Word, Spirit 2. It came to earth and took on the body of the human being. While on earth, Jesus was in the form of a human being with flesh and blood, by Mary having conceived by the Holy Spirit (Matt 1:20). He was first identified as the Son of God, when He was baptized by John the Baptist in the Jordan River. I truly believe that He was none other than Spirit 2 in the body of the human being Jesus.

Scripture also refers to mankind as being a little lower than the angels. That is what it means. He came down to our level. He was able to perform sings, wonders and miracles because even though He is fully human he is also fully God.

I disagree with that. Even though I believe that His spirit as a human being was indeed the Word, Spirit 2, I think He performed signs, wonders and miracles, not by His own power, but by the power of the Holy Spirit. I can go into much more detail on that if necessary, but for now I will just refer to Luke 4:1 which tells us that Jesus, the man, was said to be "full of the Holy Spirit". Here I point out that this the Holy Spirit, Spirit 3, in my distinctions of Spirit 1, Spirit 2 and Spirit 3, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Could be. But the Holy Spirit indwelt the apostles---those he did not ever become their spirit and you say He did in Christ.

Not quite true. I hope that you will understand from what I have said here, that the Holy Spirit did not become His Spirit. The spirit of Jesus was the Word, Spirit 2, As a man, Jesus was empowered by the Holy Spirit, Spirit 3. He was not indwelt by the Holy Spirit. He was empowered by the Holy Spirit. The apostles, on the other hand, were both indwelt by the Holy Spirit as all saints are, and empowered by the Holy Spirit as only a select few were.

I hope that helps you understand what I believe.

 

[Mr GLee]

I do not see how that addresses the post it is responding to as in your view, Jesus is not God.

Our savior Christ as our husband is the one powerful Spirit of God is supernatural . He has no nature, beginning of spirit life or end thereof.

The son man Jesus as a human having a nature like all of dying mankind must be born again. God is not man neither could he be. His word declared let there be flesh (a creation) and it was God alone good. Again his word is not flesh it was created (Let there be)

The dynamic dual the father empowering the son of man .Let there be to do the good will of the father .Christ our husband .

The Son of man our brother in the lord .marvel not.. Not our father in the Lord the lord is the father

Satan's goal to deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings

Jesus the Son of man is not ashamed to call us his brothers and sister that call no man on earth Holy Father. etc

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Catholisicim must call dying mankind (Pope) Holy Father, Holy See, our vicar Christ etc on earth in order to establish a "human nature" needed to crown the queen mother of heaven .named after our blessed by the mercy of Christ, sister in the Lord, Mary

 

[Rella]

Our savior Christ as our husband is the one powerful Spirit of God is supernatural . He has no nature, beginning of spirit life or end thereof.

The son man Jesus as a human having a nature like all of dying mankind must be born again. God is not man neither could he be. His word declared let there be flesh (a creation) and it was God alone good. Again his word is not flesh it was created (Let there be)

The dynamic dual the father empowering the son of man .Let there be to do the good will of the father .Christ our husband .

The Son of man our brother in the lord .marvel not.. Not our father in the Lord the lord is the father

Satan's goal to deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings

Jesus the Son of man is not ashamed to call us his brothers and sister that call no man on earth Holy Father. etc

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

Catholisicim must call dying mankind (Pope) Holy Father, Holy See, our vicar Christ etc on earth in order to establish a "human nature" needed to crown the queen mother of heaven .named after our blessed by the mercy of Christ, sister in the Lord, Mary

This is settled .

This ... "“I and the Father are one.”" ... in John 10:30, when Jesus said,

This ..." “Very truly I tell you, . . . before Abraham was born, I am!”" in John 8:58 Jesus said "I am". So did He blaspheme???????????

This..." “my Lord and my God” in John 20:28 from Thomas.
Even God the Father referred to Jesus as God: “About the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever’” (Hebrews 1:8,
The Supremacy of the Son
…7Now about the angels He says: “He makes His angels winds, His servants flames of fire.” 8But about the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, Your God, has anointed You above Your companions with the oil of joy.”…

Setting the Scene for Hebrews 1:8. The scene in Hebrews 1:8 takes place in the heavenly realm, where God the Father is addressing His Son, Jesus Christ.

quoting Psalm 45:6

Your throne, God, is forever and ever; The scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.
Context
My Heart is Stirred by a Noble Theme
…5Your arrows pierce the hearts of the king’s foes; the nations fall beneath your feet. 6Your throne, O God, endures forever and ever, and justice is the scepter of Your kingdom. 7You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness; therefore God, your God, has anointed you above your companions with the oil of joy.…

the comments of these last two came from the Berean Standard Bible.