Luther tried

[atpollard]

like the word bible is not in the bible
like the word trinity is not in the bible
like the words altar call are not in the bible
etc.

Making all of them NOT ESSENTIAL to salvation ... just like the Catholic Church in Rome!

• It is not essential to read one specific translation (or even be literate) to be saved.
• It is not essential to comprehend the doctrine of the trinity to be saved.
• It is not essential to respond to an "alter call" or state the correct prayer to be saved.

What did GOD say is required?
Romans 10:9-110 [ESV] "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved."

 

[Arch Stanton]

Making all of them NOT ESSENTIAL to salvation

I've been asking for that 'non-essential' list for over 25 years on other boards....

 

[Arch Stanton]

What did GOD say is required?
Romans 10:9-110 [ESV] "because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved."

There is more than Romans 10 needed for salvation/justification/new birth/ and eternal life....

 

[Arial]

It is not a lie.... the universal church is the Catholic Church!

Do you ever wonder why you can look at the evidence, irrefutable evidence as given in post #256 and still cling to the lie. @Josheb did an excellent job of describing the phenomenon from a psychological perspective in his series on Dispensationalism Part 4
https://christcentered.community.forum

 

[Arial]

It is not a lie.... the universal church is the Catholic Church!

Do you ever wonder why you can look at the evidence, irrefutable evidence as given in post #256 and still cling to the lie. @Josheb did an excellent job of describing the phenomenon from a psychological perspective in his series on Dispensationalism Part 4
https://christcentered.community.forum

 

[Arch Stanton]

Do you ever wonder why you can look at the evidence, irrefutable evidence as given in post #256 and still cling to the lie. @Josheb did an excellent job of describing the phenomenon from a psychological perspective in his series on Dispensationalism Part 4
https://christcentered.community.forum

can you condense that long writing into a brief piece of evidence? thanks

 

[Arial]

can you condense that long writing into a brief piece of evidence? thanks

No. It is not mine to condense. Read paragraph two.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Do you ever wonder why you can look at the evidence, irrefutable evidence as given in post #256 and still cling to the lie.

who to believe.... Ignatius and Polycarp or someone on the internet from a 16th century denomination?

 

[Eleanor]

Βίβλος (Biblos)
Noun - Nominative Feminine Singular
Strong's 976: Properly, the inner bark of the papyrus plant, i.e. a sheet or scroll of writing.
but not all of the bound writings together
The Greek word for "Catholic" is καθολικός (katholīkós). This term comes from the Greek words κατά (kata, meaning "according to") and ὅλος (holos, meaning "whole"). So, "Catholic" essentially means "according to the whole" or "universal."
The only Church in town, established by Christ!

The word "bible" is in the Greek Scriptures.
The word "catholic" is not in the Greek Scriptures.

 

[Arch Stanton]

The word "bible" is in the Greek Scriptures.

The Greek word "biblia," meaning "books," which refers to the collection of sacred texts.... Matthew did not write about Revelation etc.

 

[Eleanor]

Bible is in the Greek, see Mt 1:1, etc.

Nor do I assert that it is, likewise with the word sovereign.

For altar, see Ac 17:23, Mt 5:23, etc.
For call, see Mt 1:21, 23, etc.

We are agreed. . ."catholic" is not in the Bible.

for all see....

Reveals a lot about your hermeneutic (or lack there of).

 

[Arch Stanton]

Reveals a lot about your hermeneutic (or lack there of).

I accept your

 

[Eleanor]

I accept your

My assertion demonstrated.

 

[Arch Stanton]

My assertion demonstrated.

your belief wrong

 

[Arch Stanton]

Reveals a lot about your hermeneutic (or lack there of).

I was adding to your word manipulation... did you not see it?

Your goal posts keep moving and growing... now at 50 yards wide

 

[Eleanor]

your belief wrong

I was adding to your word manipulation... did you not see it?

Your goal posts keep moving and growing... now at 50 yards wide

Assertion without demonstration is assertion without merit.

 

[Arch Stanton]

Assertion without demonstration is assertion without merit.

that sums up the 16th century claims on any authority

 

[Eleanor]

that sums up the 16th century claims on any authority

To what 16th century claims of authority are you referring.?

 

[Arial]

@Arch Stanton
I am going to delete post #269. I had already told you it was not my post to condense. It is @Josheb post. And then you go move it into this thread, not even as a quote, just a copy paste and without giving the author credit. If Josh wants to move it over here and discuss it with you, that is up to him.

You offered no discussion just posted a question mark. But the fact that you could not see the connection between what was said regarding a form of dissociation that causes a person to be unable to comprehend or respond to what is said in opposition to their beliefs, one so deep seated at brain level that the brain cannot access the opposing information or maybe only unable to process the opposing information is a clear example of the very thing that was stated.

It is the foundational tactic used by cults in what is known as brainwashing.

 

[Arch Stanton]

To what 16th century claims of authority are you referring.?

any

1,500 years of authority and then man-made fallible interpretations enter