Luther tried

[Arch Stanton]

Precisely. . .faith in Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord, divine Son of God.

and His physical Universal/Catholic Church

 

[Eleanor]

and His physical Universal/Catholic Church

I find no Biblical warrant for faith in anything other than Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Scripture.

 

[Arch Stanton]

I find no Biblical warrant for faith in anything other than Father, Son, Holy Spirit and Scripture.

and NT scripture came after the genesis of Christ's new Church... filled with promises

 

[Eleanor]

and NT scripture came after the genesis of Christ's new Church... filled with promises

And since they are God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16), they are authoritative over the church, the body of Christ.

All not in agreement with them is unauthorized by God, and simply a notion of man.

 

[Arch Stanton]

And since they are God-breathed (2 Tim 3:16), they are authoritative over the church, the body of Christ.

they are 'useful', not 'sufficient' per St. Paul to Timothy.

 

[David1701]

The Holy Spirit thought it wise to tell us that Peter was 'first'.

What was the list based on David?

First called, first named. If you're first in a queue, does that give you authority over the ones behind you?

 

[David1701]

Holy Father - a title belonging to God alone

Vicar of Christ - means the same as anti-Christ

Pontifex Maximus - pagan religious title, meaning "Greatest Bridge-builder"

Claiming to have all authority in heaven (!), on earth and under the earth

All the above, and more besides, is ongoing, unrepented of, blasphemy, of the worst kind.

 

[Arch Stanton]

First called, first named.

Chronologically, it was Andrew per John 1.

 

[David1701]

church
ἐκκλησία (ekklēsia)

throughout
καθ’ (kath’)

ekklesia means "called out ones". The correct translation is "assembly" or "congregation", not the meaningless "church".

 

[Arch Stanton]

Vicar of Christ - means the same as anti-Christ

The term “vicar” means “a substitute; esp. an under-servant [who substitutes].” [CA]

 

[Arch Stanton]

ekklesia means "called out ones".

the universal/Catholics

 

[Eleanor]

they are 'useful', not 'sufficient' per St. Paul to Timothy.

Not according to Paul. . .they thoroughly equip the man of God for every good work.

LIkewise, God is actively involved in the writing of Scripture, an involvement so powerful and pervasive that what is written is the infallible and authoritative word of God.

All not in agreement with it is not in agreement with God.

 

[Arch Stanton]

That depends on your view of God.

God is actively involved in the writing of Scripture, an involvement so powerful and pervasive that what is written is the infallible and authoritative word of God.

All not in agreement with it is not in agreement with God.

2 Tim 3:15-17 and that from infancy you have known [the] sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All scripture is inspired by God and is USEFUL for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

 

[Eleanor]

2 Tim 3:15-17 and that from infancy you have known [the] sacred scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All scripture is inspired by God and is USEFUL for teaching, for refutation, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that one who belongs to God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

They thoroughly equip the man of God for every good work.

And God being so actively involved in the writing of Scripture, his involvement being so powerful and pervasive, what is written is the infallible and authoritative word of God.

All not in agreement with Scripture is not in agreement with God.

 

[Arch Stanton]

They thoroughly equip the man of God for every good work.

then all I need is perseverance -- done deal

 

[Eleanor]

then all I need is perseverance -- done deal

No argument there. . .perseverance is required for all believers in Christ.

 

[Arch Stanton]

No argument there. . .perseverance is required for all believers in Christ.

what I mean is ... by your interpretation of Paul to Timothy, I would then go to perseverance as all I need

 

[Mr GLee]

The apostle Jesus???

Yes the chief apostle spokesman for the invisible Father . Not as I will but your will with power. Sends them out two by two even today

He is not ashamed to call us his brothers and sisters.

 

[David1701]

Chronologically, it was Andrew per John 1.

Peter and Andrew are mentioned together (First Peter and Andrew...).

 

[David1701]

The term “vicar” means “a substitute; esp. an under-servant [who substitutes].” [CA]

Vicar = Substitute - in place of; instead of: anti-Christ - in place of Christ and against Christ.