Jesus is Jehovah the YHWH of the Old Testament

[Fred]

Twisting words come very easy as well.

Thanks for your admission.

The Jehovah's Witnesses have said both Acts 7:59-60 and Nehemiah 4:4 constitute prayer.


The Watchtower: The prayer offered by Stephen when he was being martyred is recorded at Acts 7:59, 60 (Questions From Readers, February 1, 1959, page 96).
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1959086

The Watchtower: Rather, he left the matter in Jehovah’s hands and prayed: “Hear, O our God, for we have become an object of contempt; and make their reproach return upon their own head.” (Nehemiah 4:4) (“Keep Conquering the Evil With the Good”, July 1, 2007, page 28)

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2007485

The boldface above is mine.

Thanks for making this easy for me.

 

[Mr GLee]

The prayer wasn't.

The prayer wasn't what? A vison of the unseen ?

 

[Mr GLee]

No proof for that.

The vision took place in the city (Acts 7:58), the prayer took place when Stephen outside of the city.

Yes, outside the city of Christ (the light of the world), a vision. Just like the parable in Mathew 4 .

The beginning of the ministry of two. Christ yoked with the Son of man Jesus (Christ in us") sending out as a apostle the Son of man Jesus into the wilderness 40 days as the scape goat.

Satan the king of lying signs to wonder offered to the weakened Son of Man, Jesus. . . .all the glory of this world in a false vision. The Father moved his prophet Jesus and Christ spoke as it is written again as it is written and again three times to denote the end of a matter. It as the power of faith as it is written and it was God alone good

 

[Fred]

The prayer wasn't what? A vison of the unseen ?

The prayer did not take place during a vision.
The vision took place in the city, while the prayer took place outside of the city (Acts 7:58).

 

[Mr GLee]

The prayer did not take place during a vision.
The vision took place in the city, while the prayer took place outside of the city (Acts 7:58).

OK so as it seems you would think the abomination of desolation Temples made with the dying hands as a will of mankind is the ideal place to have a vison ? Sounds like Peter trying to trap a spirt in a box ?

It makes no differnce from where it was prophesied but who? He sits enthroned on the circle of the earth and it inhabits like grass hoppers .

Luke 9:33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.

 

[Fred]

OK so as it seems you would think the abomination of desolation Temples made with the dying hands as a will of mankind is the ideal place to have a vison ? Sounds like Peter trying to trap a spirt in a box ?

It makes no differnce from where it was prophesied but who? He sits enthroned on the circle of the earth and it inhabits like grass hoppers .

Luke 9:33 And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said.

The above ignores the fact that the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer in Acts 7:59-60 which proves He is God.

 

[Mr GLee]

The above ignores the fact that the Lord Jesus is the proper recipient of prayer in Acts 7:59-60 which proves He is God.

Yes the Lord of earthly lords Jesus the Christ. . . the anointing teaching Father. Not the Son of man, Jesus, one of the many earthly lords being taught by the Father . The Son of man, Jesus is not the Lord of earthly lords.

Eternal God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly infalible interpreter set between our Father not seen and dying mankind seen called a daysman or a Pope

Job 9:32-33 For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

 

[Fred]

Yes the Lord of earthly lords Jesus the Christ. . . the anointing teaching Father. Not the Son of man, Jesus,

Yes, the Son of Man, Jesus. Stephen referred to Him as being the Son of Man in Acts 7:56, and then prayer was made to Him in Acts 7:59-60.

 

[Mr GLee]

Yes, the Son of Man, Jesus. Stephen referred to Him as being the Son of Man in Acts 7:56, and then prayer was made to Him in Acts 7:59-60.

What part of God is not a man as us do you not understand ?

Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of the Father is not the Son of man Jesus dying mankind. They worked together to using dying flesh demonstrate the power of our invisible head.

Jesus is our brother in the Lord not our unseen head Christ

Words have meaning attached

 

[Fred]

What part of God is not a man as us do you not understand ?

Christ the anointing Holy Spirit of the Father is not the Son of man Jesus dying mankind. They worked together to using dying flesh demonstrate the power of our invisible head.

Jesus is our brother in the Lord not our unseen head Christ

Words have meaning attached

You can stop dodging Acts 7:56 and Acts 7:59-60 now.

 

[witness1]

Thanks Agree

I would offer Jesus the Son of man dying mankind is not the savior. The son of man Jesus came to reveal the propmised demonstration to the world revealing the powerful work of the unseen head, Christ.

Two kinds of Jesus' used in different ways. One Jehovah, savior (Jesus) eternal God, the Father of all Spirit life. And Jesus the Son of man, fulling the prophecy of the Father, a sign to the whole world demonstrating the power of the adopting Father, Christ the husband.

Two working as if one . . empower by one . Two seems to represent one God has spoken through out the Word.

Another wile of the father of lies .What Gods calls two. . He calls it altogether as if one. And what God calls one Satan the Legion multiplies

Each savior having different roles, one power the unseen eternal

If you do not believe He Jesus Christ is the Saviour, you are still dead in your sins. Jesus Christ is our covering.

 

[witness1]

I quoted directly from the heretics as to what they affirmed.

You can play 'pretend it isn't there' all you want.

Pathetic.

You wrest the scriptures to your own destruction. Repent before it is to late.

 

[Fred]

You wrest the scriptures to your own destruction.

Proof?

 

[Mr GLee]

If you do not believe He Jesus Christ is the Saviour, you are still dead in your sins. Jesus Christ is our covering.

Amen!

Christ, the anointing teacher the one good infalible teaching master as God. In order to show his invisible power as labor of love or called a work of his faithfulness . He demonstrated his invisible powerful qualities'. Using the Son of man Jesus, flesh and blood signified as sinful pouring out his labor of love on dying flesh and blood in jeapordy of His own Spirit life .

Two (Duality), the original dynamic dual . Two the witness one God has spoken It would seem the witness of faith as a law .by which we can learn how to rightly divide seeking His approval

The dual power of faith (1) "Let there be" and and (2) the witness of the power God alone not seen Our invisible God alone is good

Powerful Faithful Creator freely gives us little of that power (faith) enough to please him and our own selves.

Yoked with Him our daily burdens can be lighter with a living hope beyond the grave

 

[Runningman]

It is when it is done silently within the heart.
One can pray and sing to Jesus in their hearts and He will fully understand them.

See post 15 and 16

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/rendering-prayer-is-a-sacrifice.1793/#post-75708

no it isn't. we don't just make things up as we go along because we wish it were so.

Praying to someone is a form of worship, something Jesus did to his God all night. No one ever prayed to Jesus in the Bible.

Luke 6
12In those days Jesus went out to the mountain to pray, and He spent the night in prayer to God.

 

[Fred]

no it isn't. we don't just make things up as we go along because we wish it were so.

Praying to someone is a form of worship, something Jesus did to his God all night. No one ever prayed to Jesus in the Bible.

Luke 6
12In those days Jesus went out to the mountain to pray, and He spent the night in prayer to God.

You are still confused. This is pitiful.

You denied the Bible teaches that singing to Jesus is taught.

At least two passages refute your false teaching.

 

[Runningman]

You are still confused. This is pitiful.

You denied the Bible teaches that singing to Jesus is taught.

At least two passages refute your false teaching.

Not according to scripture.

In Matthew 6:6,9 Jesus taught us to only pray to the Father. No one ever taught anything about praying to Jesus. That means Jesus isn’t God.

 

[Fred]

Not according to scripture.

Ephesians 5:19 and Revelation 5:9 are still in the Bible.

They will always belong there.

 

[Mr GLee]

Ephesians 5:19 and Revelation 5:9 are still in the Bible.

They will always belong there.

Neither one instructs us to pray to dying mankind the Son of Man Jesus our brother in the Lord and not the invisible head Christ the father.

 

[Fred]

Neither one instructs us to pray to dying mankind the Son of Man Jesus our brother in the Lord and not the invisible head Christ the father.

See post 90.