"It's All a Matter of Interpretation"

[prism]

Where do find the authors so we can ask them?

How can you say scripture alone when scripture says other wise?

Tradition (oral teaching)

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Not scripture alone!

The Author I was referring to is the Holy Spirit. Have you met Him?

2 Peter 1:21 KJV
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Sola Scriptura

 

[prism]

@prism

Since scripture is to testify of the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, in seeking His glory and by Him, the glory of God the Father, then you have to wonder how they rightly divide the word for what end? To lure you away from the Son, the Lord Jesus Christ, in your walk with the Father? Then that would be not rightly dividing the word of truth as any question as t the right interpretation is what it does in the end; To Jesus or away from Jesus to something else in His name?

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Yes all Scripture points us to Christ, just as it's Author points us to Christ. (Jn 15:26)

 

[ChristB4us]

Yes all Scripture points us to Christ, just as the Author points us to Christ. (Jn 15:26)

Yes, and so when they are not rightly dividing the word of truth by pointing believers away from Christ to look to something else or someone else for what they should be looking to Christ for; then by His grace & by His help, we can see the error and be not led astray by it.

 

[prism]

Yes, and so when they are not rightly dividing the word of truth by pointing believers away from Christ to look to something else or someone else for what they should be looking to Christ for; then by His grace & by His help, we can see the error and be not led astray by it.

That's all fine and dandy when it comes to 'how we are not led astray'; but it still begs the question posed by the OP..
"How do you handle the comeback of "It's All a Matter of Interpretation"?

 

[Eleanor]

Really Jn 3:5 without baptism you cannot enter the “kingdom”
2 pet 1:11 an entrance into the “kingdom” shall be ministered unto you

Does not contradict what I stated.

 

[ChristB4us]

That's all fine and dandy when it comes to 'how we are not led astray'; but it still begs the question posed by the OP..
"How do you handle the comeback of "It's All a Matter of Interpretation"?

By how it is applied to what end? Is it to Jesus for life or away from Jesus to a church or a spirit or something else instead of Christ which is the principle behind what antichrist stands for in scripture as "instead of Christ".

 

[prism]

By how it is applied to what end? Is it to Jesus for life or away from Jesus to a church or a spirit or something else instead of Christ which is the principle behind what antichrist stands for in scripture as "instead of Christ".

To salvation through Christ (via the Gospel) of course...

Romans 1:16 KJV
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

 

[donadams]

The Author I was referring to is the Holy Spirit. Have you met Him?

2 Peter 1:21 KJV
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Sola Scriptura

Good one
I stand corrected
And I take off my humble hat to you

Does the HS lead all Christians into truth?

Does this not teach both tradition (oral teaching) and scripture?

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

 

[donadams]

Why should we seek first the kingdom Matt 6:33?

 

[prism]

Good one
I stand corrected
And I take off my humble hat to you

Does the HS lead all Christians into truth?

Does this not teach both tradition (oral teaching) and scripture?

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Tradition is fine, so long as it doesn't contradict Scripture.
(not sure what it has to do with the OP though).

 

[Mr GLee]

The sacraments are instituted by Christ for the salvation of all men, the church teaches them and administers them, there were sacraments in the old covenant

They called sacraments not a biblical term were shadows that pointed ahead to a suffering Savoir beforehand.

The first century reformation came restoring the government of faith no kings as fathers in Israel) making to no effect a law of the legion of fathers (I heard it through the father's grape vine). Simply oral traditions of dying mankind.

ceremonial shadows as sign to the unbelieving word in a hope the gospel rest (sola scriptura) Shadows which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. All of the old testament shadows became substance. One new ceremonial law as a shadow (1 Corinthians 11)

Shadows make no man perfect or complete. We are complete in Christ who dwells in those born again from above (no limbo of purgatory) as doctrines of wondering . . .. never coming to an end. with the exception of what they must call Queen mother of heaven named after our blessed sister in the Lord Mary. teaching the non venerable .

The Pope teaching the queen mother named Mary alone received the fullness of grace the whole price of salvation, while the rest of the world an unknown remnant of grace and must continue to suffer, wonder with no end in sight even after they take their last breath of oxygen.

Sola scriptura is the reforming restoring power of our unseen Holy Father in any generation. The first century reformation sets the standard for any reformation no matter the number of sinners.

When two or three are gather together under the hearing of Christ's faith he is with us yoked with him . . or two or three billion. The restoring power remains the same (sola scriptura )

Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying,(using the temporal thing seen "shadows" ) that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure (parable shadow) for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

 

[Mr GLee]

Why should we seek first the kingdom Matt 6:33?

I would think. The faithless fathers that demanded a sign before they would believe were warned the kingdom does not come by observing the temporal corrupted things seen . It does come by obeying all things written in the law and prophets (sola scriptura) His Kingdom is not of this world.

Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

The kingdom of men comes by observing looking at men and venerating their dying flesh.

 

[Mr GLee]

all men are redeemed!

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 1 pet 1:21-23
God gives all men sufficient truth and grace for salvation.

All men are redeemed . . .where, when Limbo purgatory?

When where was Mary redeemed or is she suffering wondering in Limbo also?

 

[donadams]

Tradition is fine, so long as it doesn't contradict Scripture.
(not sure what it has to do with the OP though).

How could it contradict scripture?

Christ taught it
The apostles taught it
Some of it the apostles wrote down

Sacred tradition:

(Note: not traditions, habits, customs etc.)

Sacred Tradition / apostolic tradition

Every word the apostles heard from the mouth of Christ and were commanded to teach to all men!

The truths revealed by Christ and commanded by Christ to be taught by the apostles to all men!

Matt 28:19 does NOT say: go and teach all men to observe “scripture alone”, it does Not say go write books and let the people make their own faith!

Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

Acts 1:2 Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

Commanded to teach not to write “scripture alone”!

Commanded tradition not “scripture alone”!

Acts 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Apostolic tradition (doctrine) Not scripture alone”!

Nor is there more than one Christian faith revealed by Christ and taught by the apostolic church!
Eph 4:5

The Authority of the apostolic church is binds the conscience of every Christian to believe the Christian faith or the truths revealed by Christ and found in the creeds, dogma’s and Decree’s of apostolic councils.

The apostles are commanded by Christ to teach tradition.

We are commanded by Christ to obey tradition. Matt 28:19-20
Tradition (oral teaching) or every word the apostles heard from the mouth of Christ.

Obedience of faith! Rom 16:26

And scripture supports tradition.

Example of tradition: 1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you…

2 Thessalonians 2:15
Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

Only Christ has authority to establish the one true church and to send the apostles to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation, all sects are full of errors and the tradition of men devoid of grace, truth, and authority.


One mediator:

1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

On the level of justice Christ is the only mediator, obtaining atonement, grace, mercy, and salvation.

Anyone in the communion of saints can pray and intercede for those in need, and the apostles mediate between Christ and the church, the communion of saints. Matt 28:20

And the angels minister to those who will inherit salvation. Heb 1:14

 

[prism]

How could it contradict scripture?

It (tradition) could violate scripture in the same way as here by making scripture of no effect...

Mark 7:6-9,13 KJV
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. [8] For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. [9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. [13] Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Christ taught it
The apostles taught it
Some of it the apostles wrote down

Sacred tradition:

(Note: not traditions, habits, customs etc.)

Sacred Tradition / apostolic tradition

I've never spoken a word about apostolic tradition as it has been written (that is included in Scripture as Scripture).

Every word the apostles heard from the mouth of Christ and were commanded to teach to all men!

The truths revealed by Christ and commanded by Christ to be taught by the apostles to all men!

All that God wanted us to know about Himself and ourselves is found in Scripture. The Apostles and Prophets wrote those things. Even Jesus often used the expression "It is written". I prefer that over "Thus saith the pope".

I'm not even going to go on and on with this long post of yours (although it's ironic that you use Scripture in your attempt to disprove Sola Scriptura).

What you need to show, is that revelation from God is continuing and has not 'once been delivered to the saints'.

Jude 1:3 KJV
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

 

[Mr GLee]

How could it contradict scripture?

Christ taught it
The apostles taught it
Some of it the apostles wrote down

Sacred tradition:

Sacred. . . to who, the non-venerable?

No man can serve two good teaching master coming from one invisible Holy Father.

Which Divine one today? Our Devine eternal God or Divine dying sinners?

Why a list with Sacred traditions first?

The catholic Bible ....80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal." [DV 9.] Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age". [Mt 28:20.]

 

[donadams]

It (tradition) could violate scripture in the same way as here by making scripture of no effect...

Mark 7:6-9,13 KJV
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. [8] For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. [9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. [13] Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


I've never spoken a word about apostolic tradition as it has been written (that is included in Scripture as Scripture).

All that God wanted us to know about Himself and ourselves is found in Scripture. The Apostles and Prophets wrote those things. Even Jesus often used the expression "It is written". I prefer that over "Thus saith the pope".

I'm not even going to go on and on with this long post of yours (although it's ironic that you use Scripture in your attempt to disprove Sola Scriptura).

What you need to show, is that revelation from God is continuing and has not 'once been delivered to the saints'.

Jude 1:3 KJV
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Once delivered is sacred tradition

Even scripture can appear to contradict scripture

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

And

Lk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

Jn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

 

[donadams]

It (tradition) could violate scripture in the same way as here by making scripture of no effect...

Mark 7:6-9,13 KJV
He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me. [7] Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. [8] For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do. [9] And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. [13] Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.


I've never spoken a word about apostolic tradition as it has been written (that is included in Scripture as Scripture).

All that God wanted us to know about Himself and ourselves is found in Scripture. The Apostles and Prophets wrote those things. Even Jesus often used the expression "It is written". I prefer that over "Thus saith the pope".

I'm not even going to go on and on with this long post of yours (although it's ironic that you use Scripture in your attempt to disprove Sola Scriptura).

What you need to show, is that revelation from God is continuing and has not 'once been delivered to the saints'.

Jude 1:3 KJV
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

That’s man-made tradition or the tradition of men not the tradition of Christ
The tradition christ commanded the apostles to teach all men, part of which was written down

Or do you believe the apostles only had authority from Christ to write and not to teach all men!

 

[prism]

Once delivered is sacred tradition

Even scripture can appear to contradict scripture

Matt 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

And

Lk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.

Jn 1:45 Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.

OK, enough anti sola Scripture derailment dogma, let's get back on topic.

 

[prism]

That’s man-made tradition or the tradition of men not the tradition of Christ
The tradition christ commanded the apostles to teach all men, part of which was written down

Or do you believe the apostles only had authority from Christ to write and not to teach all men!

OK, enough RCC derailment dogma, let's get back on topic.