It is by faith and good works that one confirms his calling and election.

[Ritajanice]

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◄ 1 John 3:9 ►

Audio Crossref Comment Greek Verse (Click for Chapter) New International Version No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. New Living Translation Those who have been born into God’s family do not make a practice of sinning, because God’s life is in them. So they can’t keep on sinning, because they are children of God. English Standard Version No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God’s seed abides in him; and he cannot keep on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Standard Bible Anyone born of God refuses to practice sin, because God’s seed abides in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. Berean Literal Bible Anyone having been born of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him, and he is not able to continue sinning, because he has been born of God. King James Bible Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. New King James Version Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God. New American Standard Bible No one who has been born of God practices sin, because His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin continually, because he has been

 

[David1701]

2 Pet 1:10 views our election as conditional based on our diligence (human effort). Question for our Calvinist compatriots: How does that fact square off with the U in TULIP?

2 Pet. 1:10 (ESV) Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practise these qualities you will never fall.

The outworking of the salvation that God has placed within us, confirms that that salvation is real. In other words, good works flow from genuine salvation.

 

[Ritajanice]

2 Pet. 1:10 (ESV) Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practise these qualities you will never fall.

The outworking of the salvation that God has placed within us, confirms that that salvation is real. In other words, good works flow from genuine salvation.

Hallelujah!!!....Amen!!

 

[praise_yeshua]

Verses 8 and 9 complement each other. Verse 8 is our responsibility (progressive diligence) and verse 9 is a strong reminder to what Christ accomplished for us at the Cross. These 2 verses together radiate synergy.

"Synergy" between two goals does not exclude the fact that these are "progressive". (as you witnessed). Why do you then require such "now"?

We change and mature. Some Christian stay "children" their entire lives in Christ. In fact, I can't but see that I believe most Christians do.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

Apart from absolute healing ( our mind is still not healed) we can never find ourselves "wholly". We are endless in need of the Physician. Jesus Christ.

Yes, Peter did not always practice those qualities and neither do we which proves we are all humans. Needless to say, we all need forgiveness from God when we stumble. These facts do not negate in any way what Peter wrote in this epistle of his. Progressive diligence is required when it comes to fulfilling what God has elected for each one of us. If so, then how can our election be classified as unconditional?

Change. We now hear His voice. We desire such but are poor examples of such. Our desires indicate our nature. Hence, Peter appeals to endless admonishment....

2Pe 1:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

 

[praise_yeshua]

2 Pet. 1:10 (ESV) Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practise these qualities you will never fall.

The outworking of the salvation that God has placed within us, confirms that that salvation is real. In other words, good works flow from genuine salvation.

Anyone can do "good things".

Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

 

[David1701]

Anyone can do "good things".

Mat 7:22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
Mat 7:23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.

Perhaps you didn't notice that none of the things Matt. 7:22 are necessarily morally good; whereas, the things in the list to which I was referring are all morally good and result from genuine faith in the Lord.

 

[Synergy]

2 Pet. 1:10 (ESV) Therefore, brothers, be all the more diligent to confirm your calling and election, for if you practise these qualities you will never fall.

The outworking of the salvation that God has placed within us, confirms that that salvation is real. In other words, good works flow from genuine salvation.

I asked a question about our election. You responded with a statement concerning salvation and good works. Unless you believe that election can be conflated with salvation, could we keep to the same subject matter?

 

[Synergy]

"Synergy" between two goals does not exclude the fact that these are "progressive". (as you witnessed). Why do you then require such "now"?

We change and mature. Some Christian stay "children" their entire lives in Christ. In fact, I can't but see that I believe most Christians do.

1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.

Apart from absolute healing ( our mind is still not healed) we can never find ourselves "wholly". We are endless in need of the Physician. Jesus Christ.



Change. We now hear His voice. We desire such but are poor examples of such. Our desires indicate our nature. Hence, Peter appeals to endless admonishment....

2Pe 1:12 Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.

One needs to be diligent at whatever spiritual state he is at that moment. That makes for a progressive diligence for all believers which I think we both agree on. Of course, nobody's perfect. We all stumble at times but God grants repentance to all who do repent.

So, if diligence (human effort) is required to confirm our election then how can our election be classified as unconditional?

 

[David1701]

I asked a question about our election. You responded with a statement concerning salvation and good works. Unless you believe that election can be conflated with salvation, could we keep to the same subject matter?

<sigh>
You can only confirm your calling and election, if you are, in fact, saved. That is why I brought up salvation. Election to salvation, and the salvation itself, are part of the same, unbroken chain.

 

[praise_yeshua]

Perhaps you didn't notice that none of the things Matt. 7:22 are necessarily morally good; whereas, the things in the list to which I was referring are all morally good and result from genuine faith in the Lord.

Preached in His name? Cast out devils in His name? Wonderful works? Remember Judas? Did he participate among those who followed Christ?

 

[Synergy]

<sigh>
You can only confirm your calling and election, if you are, in fact, saved.

Was Israel saved when God elected them as "my people, my chosen" (Isa 43:20)?

That is why I brought up salvation. Election to salvation, and the salvation itself, are part of the same, unbroken chain.

Let's proceed from election to "election to salvation". Let's see what the Bible reveals about the conditionality or unconditionality of "election to salvation".

(2Th 2:13) But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brothers beloved of the Lord, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth,

Looks like election to salvation is conditional on our "belief of the truth". So not only election is conditional on our diligence (2 Pet 1:10) but also election to salvation is conditional on our belief of the truth (2 Th 2:13).

 

[praise_yeshua]

One needs to be diligent at whatever spiritual state he is at that moment. That makes for a progressive diligence for all believers which I think we both agree on. Of course, nobody's perfect. We all stumble at times but God grants repentance to all who do repent.

So, if diligence (human effort) is required to confirm our election then how can our election be classified as unconditional?

God knows those that are His. In fact, Paul stated this is the "seal" of the foundation of God.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

I'll be honest with you. There is so much false teaching around today that I believe there are people out there that do not believe they are redeemed based upon what others have taught them.....

However, they may very well be God's.

John dealt with this when he wrote....

1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[Eleanor]

How often did Peter display these "characteristics"?

You may not have seen them before Jesus died, but study 1 Peter sometime.

 

[Eleanor]

Since you asked, I don't understand how our election can be deemed unconditional when 2 Pet 1:5-7 lists out about seven human efforts/diligence that are required for our election to be made sure.

Those passages seem to radiate synergy when it comes to our election.

That means making it sure to yourself.

 

[Eleanor]

One needs to be diligent at whatever spiritual state he is at that moment. That makes for a progressive diligence for all believers which I think we both agree on. Of course, nobody's perfect. We all stumble at times but God grants repentance to all who do repent.

How does that work?

If I repent, why does he need to grant repentance?

So, if diligence (human effort) is required to confirm our election then how can our election be classified as unconditional?

We confirm it to ourself, so that we are not kidding ourselves.

 

[Synergy]

That means making it sure to yourself.

Where in Peter's epistles is the phrase "to yourself" mentioned either explicitly or even implicitly?

 

[Agra Man]

What would you want me to focus upon in this "correction"? I didn't say anything wrong. Can you specifically reference where I did? I will listen. Till then, I see no need to give validity to anyone's claims to the contrary.



A father "corrects" his child. Do you see the "authority" in such a statement?

Do I say this alone or do the Scriptures say such?

Heb 12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

He appealed to authority that he does not have. He is not my father and to my own Master I stand or fall. When someone "calls anyone out" with the phrase "you've been corrected".....They are appealing to authority. It is simple fact. You haven't seen me do such. You never will. I make arguments and challenge positions without thought to whom I'm dealing with. If the Truth offends, so be it.

When it comes to authority. I have none.

Proverbs 15:32 A wise man will gladly hear instruction and submissively take reproof, but a foolish and wicked man will resist them both. The wise man will gain understanding by receiving correction, but the wicked man who refuses admonition hates his own soul, for he is guaranteeing his eventual ruin

 

[Eleanor]

Was Israel saved when God elected them as "my people, my chosen" (Isa 43:20)?

God elects to many things, salvation being just one of them.
He elected Jacob to be the father of Israel (Ro 9:10-13).
He elected Judas to betray Christ.
He elected Pharaoh to display his power in him and that God's name might be proclaimed in all the earth (Ro 9:17).

Let's proceed from election to "election to salvation". Let's see what the Bible reveals about the conditionality or unconditionality of "election to salvation".
(2Th 2:13) But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brothers beloved of the Lord, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth,
Looks like election to salvation is conditional on our "belief of the truth". So not only election is conditional on our diligence (2 Pet 1:10) but also election to salvation is conditional on our belief of the truth (2 Th 2:13).[/B]

Yes, salvation is by faith, which is likewise a gift of God (Php 1:29, Ac 13:48, Ac 18:27, 2 Pe 1:1, Ro 12:3), as is the sovereign re-birth (Jn 3:3-8), based in nothing by his sovereign choice to do so, as with Jacob (Ro 9:10-13), both gifts (rebirth and faith) being necessary to the gift of salvation.

 

[Synergy]

God knows those that are His. In fact, Paul stated this is the "seal" of the foundation of God.

I tend to think of it like: it's those who are sealed with the Holy Spirit who are His.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

I'll be honest with you. There is so much false teaching around today that I believe there are people out there that do not believe they are redeemed based upon what others have taught them.....

However, they may very well be God's.

John dealt with this when he wrote....

1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

I agree. Good discussions.

 

[Synergy]

How does that work?

If I repent, why does he need to grant repentance?

Read in Acts 11:18 how God granted repentance at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to the Gentile nations, to all those who repented as per Acts 2:38. How can one be forgiven if God does not grant repentance?

We confirm it to ourself, so that we are not kidding ourselves.

Election does not come from us.

Your views are very humancentric.