It is by faith and good works that one confirms his calling and election.

[praise_yeshua]

Proverbs 15:32 A wise man will gladly hear instruction and submissively take reproof, but a foolish and wicked man will resist them both. The wise man will gain understanding by receiving correction, but the wicked man who refuses admonition hates his own soul, for he is guaranteeing his eventual ruin

I accept correction from my Father. I reject those that try to be my Father. I will listen to men but someone tells me they are correcting me.... I look to the next verse for understanding.

Pro 15:33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Did you read the next verse?

 

[praise_yeshua]

How does that work?

If I repent, why does he need to grant repentance?

We confirm it to ourself, so that we are not kidding ourselves.

Esau repented but he found no place of repentance from God. God often does not accept the "repentance" others are peddling as repentance.

Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

 

[Synergy]

God elects to many things, salvation being just one of them.
He elected Jacob to be the father of Israel (Ro 9:10-13).
He elected Judas to betray Christ.
He elected Pharaoh to display his power in him and that God's name might be proclaimed in all the earth (Ro 9:17).

I agree. There are several forms of election and we have to be very careful to distinguish between them.

Yes, salvation is by faith, which is likewise a gift of God (Php 1:29, Ac 13:48, Ac 18:27, 2 Pe 1:1, Ro 12:3), as is the sovereign re-birth (Jn 3:3-8), based in nothing by his sovereign choice to do so, as with Jacob (Ro 9:10-13), both gifts (rebirth and faith) being necessary to the gift of salvation.

Everything good is a gift from God but that doesn't negate the fact that we must correctly use that gift. God saves those who believe in Christ. That makes our salvation conditional on whether or not we believe in Christ.

 

[Agra Man]

I accept correction from my Father. I reject those that try to be my Father. I will listen to men but someone tells me they are correcting me.... I look to the next verse for understanding.

Pro 15:33 The fear of the LORD is the instruction of wisdom; and before honour is humility.

Did you read the next verse?

Yes now look at how you have responded and look at this verse. If this verse was what you want to use then you need to abide by it. Your offence to being corrected even though we are to edify instruct guide encourage and stregthen and teach other which does come with correction, is what makes your case turn on it's head.


You say you listen to our Lord? he instructs the wise I study under him personally myself I haven't seen you there and if you think what I say sounds odd well there you go.

 

[David1701]

Was Israel saved when God elected them as "my people, my chosen" (Isa 43:20)?

That's a different kind of election. Election to being God's nation is not the same thing as individuals being chosen for salvation!

Let's proceed from election to "election to salvation". Let's see what the Bible reveals about the conditionality or unconditionality of "election to salvation".

(2Th 2:13) But we are bound to give thanks always to God for you, brothers beloved of the Lord, because God has from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth,

Looks like election to salvation is conditional on our "belief of the truth". So not only election is conditional on our diligence (2 Pet 1:10) but also election to salvation is conditional on our belief of the truth (2 Th 2:13).

It looks like you are confusing "through" with "because of". God has chosen us to salvation THROUGH (i.e. that's the means he uses to give us salvation) belief of the truth, not because of that belief. In any case, faith in Jesus Christ is a gift from God, not something generated by man.

 

[David1701]

Preached in His name? Cast out devils in His name? Wonderful works? Remember Judas? Did he participate among those who followed Christ?

Judas Iscariot was evil through and through. I did a study on him, many years ago and he was, with absolute certainty, never saved.

 

[Carbon]

Judas Iscariot was evil through and through. I did a study on him, many years ago and he was, with absolute certainty, never saved.

Amen.

 

[Eleanor]

Read in Acts 11:18 how God granted repentance at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to the Gentile nations, to all those who repented as per Acts 2:38.

Ac 11:18 is about the Gentiles at Cornelius' house, not the nations.
Ac 2:28 is about the Jews in Jerusalem, not the Gentiles.

How can one be forgiven if God does not grant repentance?

Repent is "to turn." That's what happens when one turns from unbelief to belief in the person and work of Jesus Christ for the remission of one's sin.
That remission is forgiveness (i.e., sin debt cancelled by its payment) and, therefore, salvation from Gods wrath (Ro 5:9) on your sin and right standing with God.

Election does not come from us.

Agreed.

Your views are very humancentric.

At this point they are NT teaching, where Ac 11:18 is not about Gentile nations, and Ac 2:28 is not about Gentiles.

 

[Eleanor]

Esau repented but he found no place of repentance from God. God often does not accept the "repentance" others are peddling as repentance.

Heb 12:17 For ye know how that afterward, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears.

He regretted his loss, and sought the blessing with tears, but he did not repent of his sin (Ge 27:41).

 

[Eleanor]

I agree. There are several forms of election and we have to be very careful to distinguish between them.

Everything good is a gift from God but that doesn't negate the fact that we must correctly use that gift. God saves those who believe in Christ. That makes our salvation conditional on whether or not we believe in Christ.

Indeed, salvation is through faith. Who has said that it is not conditional?

 

[Eleanor]

Where in Peter's epistles is the phrase "to yourself" mentioned either explicitly or even implicitly?

He calls it "your" salvation.
Who else are you going to make it sure to?

Does God need your salvation made sure to him?

 

[Synergy]

Ac 11:18 is about the Gentiles at Cornelius' house, not the nations.

My version (MKJV) says nations but that does not matter either way. My point is still made in that God grants repentance.

Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they were silent and glorified God, saying, Then God has also granted repentance to life to the nations.

Ac 2:28 is about the Jews in Jerusalem, not the Gentiles.

Yes, but are you saying that the reception of the gift of the Holy Spirit is different for Gentiles as it was for Jews in Acts 2:38?

 

[Eleanor]

My version (MKJV) says nations but that does not matter either way. My point is still made in that God grants repentance.

Agreed.

Act 11:18 When they heard these things, they were silent and glorified God, saying, Then God has also granted repentance to life to the nations.

Yes, but are you saying that the reception of the gift of the Holy Spirit is different for Jews as it was for Gentiles?

I don't understand how am I am saying it is different.

 

[Synergy]

Agreed.

I don't understand how am I am saying it is different.

Then what's your point in saying that Acts 2:38 is about the Jews in Jerusalem, not the Gentiles?

 

[Synergy]

He calls it "your" salvation.
Who else are you going to make it sure to?

Does God need your salvation made sure to him?

Who else other than Christ is the Judge of our salvation and election.

 

[Carbon]

Who else other than Christ is the Judge of our salvation and election.

Is she saying otherwise?

 

[makesends]

Read in Acts 11:18 how God granted repentance at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to the Gentile nations, to all those who repented as per Acts 2:38. How can one be forgiven if God does not grant repentance?

Election does not come from us.

Your views are very humancentric.

HA! You don't know Eleanor!

 

[Eleanor]

Who else other than Christ is the Judge of our salvation and election.

What do you mean by "judge of our salvation and election?"

Who judges God's work?

 

[Foghorn]

Read in Acts 11:18 how God granted repentance at the outpouring of the Holy Spirit to the Gentile nations, to all those who repented as per Acts 2:38. How can one be forgiven if God does not grant repentance?

Election does not come from us.

Your views are very humancentric.

“Hey boy, what’s the idea jackin’ that pot up under me? Jack? Pot? Ahuh, huh … jack pot, that’s a joke son, don’t ya get it?”

 

[Foghorn]

double, i say double