Is There a Contradiction?

[Viking123]

The Chronicles were written by a different person and at a different time than are the Kings. It is chronicling many of the same events of Kings. The letter was not written after Elijah had been called up, but in the same time period. See 1 Kings 22:41-53- 2 Kings 1-2.

I will believe my teachers on that matter--i know Jesus is with them.
I said Elisha in my previous post i meant Enoch, sorry.

 

[Eleanor]

None are immortal but God

And yet the human spirit is immortal, (Php 1:21-24) as well as the angels, who are spirits, are immortal.

Yours is not orthodox Christianity of the NT.

and he gave Jesus immortality. You twist Php. It does not say when he would be with Christ. It just says he would be with Christ--That occurs during the first resurrection-after Rev 6:2 occurs here in these last days. Not back then.

 

[makesends]

I will believe my teachers on that matter--i know Jesus is with them.
I said Elisha in my previous post i meant Enoch, sorry.

I'm not sure what you mean now. Enoch was 'translated' to a different location? What?

Oh. Nevermind, you mean "God ended Elisha's [Enoch's] existence so he didn't experience death. Elisha [Enoch] was not taken to heaven."

 

[Lees]

However, Hebrews goes on to say that Abraham, Isasac and Jacob did receive the end of those promises of an "everlasting inheritance" (Ge 13:15, 17:8).
Even though they never possessed Canaan (Ac 7:5, Heb 11:13, 19), they received it in the heavenly land/country (Heb 11:10, 16).
The eternal (everlasting) title was to heavenly land, not to earthly land.

They received the promises...yes. But they never received the fulfillment or end of those promises. That those promises were eternal, and everlasting...yes.

A promise was for the land for ever. (Gen. 13:15) "For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed forever." And as you point out in (Acts 7:5), Abraham never obtained the fulfillment of that promise. "And he gave him none inheritance in it, no, not so much as to set his foot on: yet he promised that he would give it to him for a possession, and to his seed after him, when as yet he had no child."

In the verses (Heb. 11:10, 13, 16), the desire from those to seek a heavenly city, one whose builder and maker is God, doesn't need to mean a city or country not found on earth. It just needs to be one whose builder and maker is God. A heavenly city on earth. And Abraham had already been told that it would be at least 400 years before the land process would even begin. (Gen. 15:13-16) And the call of Abraham was the beginning of the promises, and the land was part of those promises.

Those promises are first given in (Gen. 12:1-3). If all the land that Abraham saw was promised to him forever, then if God doesn't give him that land forever, He has gone back on His Word. And I'm sure you don't believe that, as neither do I.

That is my understanding. Pleased to meet you.

Lees

 

[makesends]

I'm not sure what you mean now. Enoch was 'translated' to a different location? What?

Oh. Nevermind, you mean "God ended Elisha's [Enoch's] existence so he didn't experience death. Elisha [Enoch] was not taken to heaven."

@Viking123 that sounds like you don't believe in the resurrection. "God ended [Enoch's] existence"?? What do you mean by that?

 

[Arial]

I will believe my teachers on that matter--i know Jesus is with them.
I said Elisha in my previous post i meant Enoch, sorry.

This is the post I was responding to when I explained to you what the Chronicles are by using the Bible itself---Kings and Chronicles. Why would you believe your teachers and not the Bible itself?

The bible says that Chariot took Elijah to heaven, yet he wrote a letter( 2Chronicles 21:12-15) 10 years after the chariot event, proving it was NOT Gods dwelling place that he went to. He was transported through our atmosphere( heaven) to another part of the Earth.

 

[Arial]

This is my first post so, hello to all.

Hello Lees and welcome to the forum.

 

[Arial]

truth is all that matters. Possibilities mean 0 unless they are truth.
I meant Enoch not Elisha in my previous post.

You meant Elijah because the verses you quoted say Elijah. Post #111.

 

[makesends]

Hello Lees and welcome to the forum.

Hello, @Lees

A little background on your positions/beliefs? Maybe a testimony on how you got to where you are there?

 

[Viking123]

And yet the human spirit is immortal, (Php 1:21-24) as well as the angels, who are spirits, are immortal.

Yours is not orthodox Christianity of the NT.

Satan and his angels will be destroyed, thus are not immortal. No created being is immortal unless God grants it to them. There is no ghost like being within a mortal.

 

[Viking123]

I'm not sure what you mean now. Enoch was 'translated' to a different location? What?

Oh. Nevermind, you mean "God ended Elisha's [Enoch's] existence so he didn't experience death. Elisha [Enoch] was not taken to heaven."

No Elijah was transported on the chariot, I also mentioned Elisha( but meant Enoch) did not go to heaven.

 

[Viking123]

@Viking123 that sounds like you don't believe in the resurrection. "God ended [Enoch's] existence"?? What do you mean by that?

I believe in the resurrection. It occurs here-Rev 20= after the tribulation and Armageddon during Jesus' 1000 year reign.
Enoch did not suffer a death as some do. God just ended his existence( living)- He will be resurrected.

 

[Viking123]

This is the post I was responding to when I explained to you what the Chronicles are by using the Bible itself---Kings and Chronicles. Why would you believe your teachers and not the Bible itself?

You know bible chronology that well?

 

[Viking123]

You meant Elijah because the verses you quoted say Elijah. Post #111.

I said Elijah was transported on the Chariot. I as well said Elisha( but meant Enoch) did not go to heaven( Gods dwelling place)

 

[Arial]

I said Elijah was transported on the Chariot. I as well said Elisha( but meant Enoch) did not go to heaven( Gods dwelling place)

The bible says that Chariot took Elijah to heaven, yet he wrote a letter( 2Chronicles 21:12-15) 10 years after the chariot event, proving it was NOT Gods dwelling place that he went to. He was transported through our atmosphere( heaven) to another part of the Earth.

Do you keep obfuscating because you are embarrassed by your big oops, saying Elijah wrote a letter after God took him to heaven? ANd then using that to PROVE something no where found in Scripture?

 

[Arial]

You know bible chronology that well?

What does that have to do with anything? A simple date and occasions and author of the writing (usually given in book prefaces in Study Bibles and the accuracy easy to check) would tell you the same thing I told you. A comparison of the content of the four books, 1 and 2nd Kings, and 1 and 2 Chronicles shows they are covering many of the same events.

 

[Red Baker]

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[Viking123]

Do you keep obfuscating because you are embarrassed by your big oops, saying Elijah wrote a letter after God took him to heaven? ANd then using that to PROVE something no where found in Scripture?

The letter was to Jehoram, He wasn't king of Judah until after the chariot event occurred.

 

[Viking123]

What does that have to do with anything? A simple date and occasions and author of the writing (usually given in book prefaces in Study Bibles and the accuracy easy to check) would tell you the same thing I told you. A comparison of the content of the four books, 1 and 2nd Kings, and 1 and 2 Chronicles shows they are covering many of the same events.

Jehoram didn't become king until a year after the chariot event. Elijah did not go to Gods dwelling place.--No man entered heaven( Gods dwelling place) prior to Jesus. John 3:13= The words of Jesus= 100% proof.

 

[Lees]

Hello Lees and welcome to the forum.

Thanks, glad to be here.

Hello, @Lees

A little background on your positions/beliefs? Maybe a testimony on how you got to where you are there?

I would call myself Evangelical. The Bible is the Word of God and the only written Word of God. I would not call myself Reformed, though I think I hold to the TULIP except for Limited Atonement. I hold to that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ only.

I am Dispensational. I believe in the Rapture of the saints. Pre-Trib and Pre-Mill and all that. Though I am Dispensational I differ there in that I do hold that the gifts of the Holy Spirit are still for the Church today.

I have been a member of many different denominations and have learned from many good Bible teachers. I hold to the literal interpretation of the Bible. Literal in that it allows for symbols, types, allegories, etc.

Lees