Is There a Contradiction?

[Eleanor]

List your verses and show me how they add something I haven't already addressed.

Then go back and answer the questions you continue to ignore.

You know why people refuse to answer the questions? They haven't done the work.

From what I can tell, you want me, instead of you, to do the work of refuting the Scriptures I have presented.

You know it's a dodge when the argument is about the argument instead of the topic.

 

[Lees]

From what I can tell, you want me, instead of you, to do the work of refuting the Scriptures I have presented.

You know it's a dodge when the argument is about the argument instead of the topic.

No, I've already done that.

You need to provide how the verses you mention provide anything new. So I can refute that also.

Lees

 

[CrowCross]

From what I can tell, you want me, instead of you, to do the work of refuting the Scriptures I have presented.

You know it's a dodge when the argument is about the argument instead of the topic.

SHEEZE....the present the scripture and stop arguing about arguing.

Provide your commentary...then provide the scripture to back up the commentary.

 

[Eleanor]

SHEEZE....the present the scripture and stop arguing about arguing.

Provide your commentary...then provide the scripture to back up the commentary.

Scripture not in agreement with his assertions was presented in post #196.

He has not responded to those Scriptures which are not in agreement with his assertions.

I will not be explaining the self-evident meaning of those Scriptures, they speak for themselves.

He simply just does not believe them. . .which is why he does not address them.

I can be proven wrong by Biblically demonstrating such, which he cannot do.

 

[Viking123]

Yes, Jesus worked...did the creation. Thus making Jesus the creator.

You act ias if some god was sitting on His throne sipping on lemonade being fanned by angels or something when Jesus was creating.

You still didn't answer the question...Who was the "us" in "let us make man in our image"? Who was the our?

Us = Jehovah the creator and his master worker( Jesus) the one whom Jehovah created all other things through( John 1:3)
The image = the abilty to love and reason=all beings have it.=our.
There is no --us-we in HE.( Gen 1:27,, Prov 8:27-28--Isaiah 40:26)
Jesus was created direct first and last=Prov 8:22-Produced me as the beginning of your way. Error translations has possessed me= makes no sense.
The FIRSTBORN of all creation--0 doubt in all creation this is speaking about the beginning creation. That is when all creation occurred.

 

[Viking123]

Why does the bible present the Father as God?
Why does the bible present Jesus as God?
Why does the bible present the Holy Spirit as God?

Why does the bible present the characteristics of the 3 mentioned above as well as the name, works, equality and so on as God?

Jesus is only presented as God in error translations. The holy spirit is never shown as God. Blind guides twist that when God sent the holy spirit as a go between and God asked a question, the person lied, it was God seeking the answer, not the holy spirit. The person lied to the one seeking an answer to his question.

 

[JIM]

Tell that to Nebuchadnezzar.

Bring him to me and I will.

 

[David Lamb]

Jesus is only presented as God in error translations. The holy spirit is never shown as God. Blind guides twist that when God sent the holy spirit as a go between and God asked a question, the person lied, it was God seeking the answer, not the holy spirit. The person lied to the one seeking an answer to his question.

Really? Remember Thomas, who said regarding the resurrection of Jesus:

“Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.” (Joh 20:25 NKJV)

Then when he actually saw the risen Saviour, look what happened:

“And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!" Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand [here], and put [it] into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing." And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"” (Joh 20:26-28 NKJV)

Jesus did't reprimand Thomas for calling Him "My Lord and my God." Are you saying those words are an "error translation"? I have just looked at the 30 English translations of that verse 28 that I have access to, and they all have Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"

What about Jesus Himself saying:

“"I and My Father are one."” (Joh 10:30 NKJV)

Even His enemies knew that He taught that He is equal with God:

“Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.” (Joh 5:18 NKJV)

 

[Josheb]

Bring him to me and I will.

Nice dodge but if Neb was told he had a choice in the matter that would be wrong. and Posts 214 and 227 add nothing topical to the discussion. This turns out to be another thread you've entered with content that has nothing to do with the specified topic, refusing to answer valid/relevant inquiries, practicing fallacy, and injecting into it your agenda.

Everyone agrees the two verses cited in the op do not contradict one another, but not everyone finds Enoch the "exception to the rule" explanation is the correct explanation. The opportunity to address that availed itself has been ignored.

 

[Arial]

Its undeniable bible facts that cannot be disproven in an iota that they are wrong.

That is why you are never successful when you say they are wrong. And why all you do is say untrue things but can never actually demonstrate what you say from the Bible

 

[CrowCross]

Us = Jehovah the creator and his master worker( Jesus) the one whom Jehovah created all other things through( John 1:3)
The image = the abilty to love and reason=all beings have it.=our.
There is no --us-we in HE.( Gen 1:27,, Prov 8:27-28--Isaiah 40:26)
Jesus was created direct first and last=Prov 8:22-Produced me as the beginning of your way. Error translations has possessed me= makes no sense.
The FIRSTBORN of all creation--0 doubt in all creation this is speaking about the beginning creation. That is when all creation occurred.

Here we go again...anytime one disagrees with your interpretation..you'll cry Error translations.

 

[CrowCross]

Jesus is only presented as God in error translations. The holy spirit is never shown as God. Blind guides twist that when God sent the holy spirit as a go between and God asked a question, the person lied, it was God seeking the answer, not the holy spirit. The person lied to the one seeking an answer to his question.

LOL....I just posted the above response prior to reading this response from you......Jesus is only presented as God in error translations.

Imagine that. Your whole doctrine is based upon a supposed error translation.

 

[Viking123]

Really? Remember Thomas, who said regarding the resurrection of Jesus:

“Unless I see in His hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and put my hand into His side, I will not believe.” (Joh 20:25 NKJV)

Then when he actually saw the risen Saviour, look what happened:

“And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, "Peace to you!" Then He said to Thomas, "Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand [here], and put [it] into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing." And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!"” (Joh 20:26-28 NKJV)

Jesus did't reprimand Thomas for calling Him "My Lord and my God." Are you saying those words are an "error translation"? I have just looked at the 30 English translations of that verse 28 that I have access to, and they all have Thomas saying to Jesus, "My Lord and my God!"

What about Jesus Himself saying:

“"I and My Father are one."” (Joh 10:30 NKJV)

Even His enemies knew that He taught that He is equal with God:

“Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.” (Joh 5:18 NKJV)

Remember Jesus-John 17:3--The one who sent him= Father=THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
One in purpose-Living to do his Fathers will, as do the true followers-Matt 7:21)
The pharisees were liars to the core in everything they said about Jesus, its why he told them-your Father is the devil.
Saying God is your Father doesn't make one Equal to God, he is all of our Father. Remember Jesus-OUR Father who art in heaven.
Thomas most likely looked to heaven when he said my God. All Israelites knew 100% the Messiah has a God-Psalm 45:7--Jesus teaches he has a God-John 20:17, Rev 3:12)--100% fact= God does not have a God.

 

[Viking123]

LOL....I just posted the above response prior to reading this response from you......Jesus is only presented as God in error translations.

Imagine that. Your whole doctrine is based upon a supposed error translation.

Bible reality=Psalm 45:7( before Earth)--John 20:17( On Earth) -- Rev 3:12( after Earth= Jesus has a God just like us=his Father-The one he teaches is-THE ONLY TRUE GOD= The one who sent him= Father( John 17:3)--thus teaching a trinity is calling Jesus a liar.

 

[Josheb]

Here we go again...anytime one disagrees with your interpretation... you'll cry Error translations.

....AND make up definitions everyone else is expected to accept.

 

[CrowCross]

Bible reality=Psalm 45:7( before Earth)--John 20:17( On Earth) -- Rev 3:12( after Earth= Jesus has a God just like us=his Father-The one he teaches is-THE ONLY TRUE GOD= The one who sent him= Father( John 17:3)--thus teaching a trinity is calling Jesus a liar.

Watch this folks....the reply will once again be..ERROR MISTRANSLATION.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning------->14The Word became flesh

Jesus is the Word....Jesus is God come in the flesh.

 

[CrowCross]

....AND make up definitions everyone else is expected to accept.

Wait till you hear the explaination he has for what Thomas said.

 

[Viking123]

Watch this folks....the reply will once again be..ERROR MISTRANSLATION.

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning------->14The Word became flesh

Jesus is the Word....Jesus is God come in the flesh.

Yes 100% error, In Greek there are 2 spots in NT where more than 1 is called God or god--John 1:1-2Cor 4:4-- Both spots the true God is called Ton Theon( Ho Theos)= God, while the Word and satan are both called Theos-Why? To show a difference of God and god=100% fact. Its the only reason for the difference. The Word was not called God. Catholicism translated it that way to fit their false council creation of God being a trinity. Many translations by Greek scholars in history has a god at John 1:1--Catholicism=2Thess 2:3 screwed it all up by satans will. The protestants fixed little.

 

[Josheb]

Wait till you hear the explaination he has for what Thomas said.

Been there, done that elsewhere. I've been perusing the posts (choosing to stay out of that nonsense). "2Thess 2:3 screwed it all up by satans will" is all anyone needs to read to know where those posts are coming from. I do not think anyone wants me to do my thing with that mess. On this occasion, he's all yours.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes 100% error, In Greek there are 2 spots in NT where more than 1 is called God or god--John 1:1-2Cor 4:4-- Both spots the true God is called Ton Theon( Ho Theos)= God, while the Word and satan are both called Theos-Why? To show a difference of God and god=100% fact. Its the only reason for the difference. The Word was not called God. Catholicism translated it that way to fit their false council creation of God being a trinity. Many translations by Greek scholars in history has a god at John 1:1--Catholicism=2Thess 2:3 screwed it all up by satans will. The protestants fixed little.

Once again you have proven my point. Yet another "error" is discovered. LOL...why are all of your "proofs" corrected errors?

What's next? Another error? I suppose John 8 when Jesus said...I AM...and they wanted to stone Jesus He wasn't claiming divinity.

Does your church or whatever you call it have sermons on biblical errors every Sunday or what ever day it is you worship your error filled bible?