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Holiness of the Sacraments?

In order for saved believers to believe the lie that the Pope is the "Head" of the Church and to take all doctrines from the Pope as the final authority rather than from Christ & His words.

Is the pope the Vicar of Christ?

"The Pope exercises his role as the Vicar of Christ by guiding the Catholic Church and its members in matters of faith, morals, and spiritual leadership. He provides spiritual guidance, oversees the administration of the Church, and acts as the final authority in matters of doctrine."

Eight of the worst popes in church history

You really have to wonder about apostolic succession when these evil Popes were never removed. What does that testify to the ones that went before them as nothing but self serving covetous tyrants that succeeded in bringing believers in Rome and under their authority into bondage to the works of Catholicism that insures their weekly revenues?

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, but if you want a Biblical verse for why you should use scripture as the final authority.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
In order for saved believers to believe the lie that the Pope is the "Head" of the Church and to take all doctrines from the Pope as the final authority rather than from Christ & His words.

Is the pope the Vicar of Christ?

"The Pope exercises his role as the Vicar of Christ by guiding the Catholic Church and its members in matters of faith, morals, and spiritual leadership. He provides spiritual guidance, oversees the administration of the Church, and acts as the final authority in matters of doctrine."

Eight of the worst popes in church history

You really have to wonder about apostolic succession when these evil Popes were never removed. What does that testify to the ones that went before them as nothing but self serving covetous tyrants that succeeded in bringing believers in Rome and under their authority into bondage to the works of Catholicism that insures their weekly revenues?

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, but if you want a Biblical verse for why you should use scripture as the final authority.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
The Christian life ends with salvation, it does not start with salvation!

Rom 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
1 pet 1:9
Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
Mk 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Thanks

Redemption:
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part!

Justification:
then when we believe in him and his redemption we are justified in that faith and baptism!

Sanctification:
then we are in Christ and his church by grace faith and baptism we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, other sacraments etc.

Salvation:
then when we are faithful to Christ and in his grace at death enter salvation!

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)
 
In order for saved believers to believe the lie that the Pope is the "Head" of the Church and to take all doctrines from the Pope as the final authority rather than from Christ & His words.

Is the pope the Vicar of Christ?

"The Pope exercises his role as the Vicar of Christ by guiding the Catholic Church and its members in matters of faith, morals, and spiritual leadership. He provides spiritual guidance, oversees the administration of the Church, and acts as the final authority in matters of doctrine."

Eight of the worst popes in church history

You really have to wonder about apostolic succession when these evil Popes were never removed. What does that testify to the ones that went before them as nothing but self serving covetous tyrants that succeeded in bringing believers in Rome and under their authority into bondage to the works of Catholicism that insures their weekly revenues?

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, but if you want a Biblical verse for why you should use scripture as the final authority.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Peter and the apostles are not impeccable.

Christ gave all authority to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 Matt 28:19-20 Jn 20:21

And the kingdom!

Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
 
In order for saved believers to believe the lie that the Pope is the "Head" of the Church and to take all doctrines from the Pope as the final authority rather than from Christ & His words.

Is the pope the Vicar of Christ?

"The Pope exercises his role as the Vicar of Christ by guiding the Catholic Church and its members in matters of faith, morals, and spiritual leadership. He provides spiritual guidance, oversees the administration of the Church, and acts as the final authority in matters of doctrine."

Eight of the worst popes in church history

You really have to wonder about apostolic succession when these evil Popes were never removed. What does that testify to the ones that went before them as nothing but self serving covetous tyrants that succeeded in bringing believers in Rome and under their authority into bondage to the works of Catholicism that insures their weekly revenues?

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, but if you want a Biblical verse for why you should use scripture as the final authority.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
What is significant about Peter standing up? Acts 1:15 & 15:7
 
In order for saved believers to believe the lie that the Pope is the "Head" of the Church and to take all doctrines from the Pope as the final authority rather than from Christ & His words.

Is the pope the Vicar of Christ?

"The Pope exercises his role as the Vicar of Christ by guiding the Catholic Church and its members in matters of faith, morals, and spiritual leadership. He provides spiritual guidance, oversees the administration of the Church, and acts as the final authority in matters of doctrine."

Eight of the worst popes in church history

You really have to wonder about apostolic succession when these evil Popes were never removed. What does that testify to the ones that went before them as nothing but self serving covetous tyrants that succeeded in bringing believers in Rome and under their authority into bondage to the works of Catholicism that insures their weekly revenues?

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, but if you want a Biblical verse for why you should use scripture as the final authority.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Does the church require scripture to know the truths of God?
 
Does the church require scripture to know the truths of God?
If the church does not, then you will fall for every false teaching that comes into the church.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
 
In order for saved believers to believe the lie that the Pope is the "Head" of the Church and to take all doctrines from the Pope as the final authority rather than from Christ & His words.

Is the pope the Vicar of Christ?

"The Pope exercises his role as the Vicar of Christ by guiding the Catholic Church and its members in matters of faith, morals, and spiritual leadership. He provides spiritual guidance, oversees the administration of the Church, and acts as the final authority in matters of doctrine."

Eight of the worst popes in church history

You really have to wonder about apostolic succession when these evil Popes were never removed. What does that testify to the ones that went before them as nothing but self serving covetous tyrants that succeeded in bringing believers in Rome and under their authority into bondage to the works of Catholicism that insures their weekly revenues?

Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely, but if you want a Biblical verse for why you should use scripture as the final authority.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
So,you quote a post from a site NSESC that states its mission is “to find you the perfect job”
You quote CNN which has other articles debunking the Bible!

Is it really surprising you didn’t find the truth?
 
Meanwhile, in supposedly “ defending the holiness of sacraments”

“Another rebuke towards that Catholic mentality is how they had turned the bread & wine into idols since the bread & the wine are made with men's hands that idolaters believe the spirits of their gods are behind it or in those idols.”

Reality.
John 6 is the Eucharist as explained by Jesus to John.

We know exactly what it says “ this IS my body “ “ this IS my blood” which we are told to “gnaw” ( not consume)
in which Jesus says is needed for him to “ abide in you” and for you to be “ raised up at the last day”
We didnt make it up. God said it.
Its why romans thought we were cannibals.

So what does it mean in practice?
John had disciples who wrote and taught and We are told to listen to those who are “ sent“ to preach
We see what that is in such as igatius to smyrneans, only a few years after the death of John.
. That it is a Eucharist of the “ real flesh” - it really IS Him, that abides in us, valid only if performed by a bishop in succession .
Which is why as paul tells us “ some are sick “ “ some have died “ profaning it.

All the early fathers confirm it.

Orthodox and us only argue on how it became his flesh , not whether,

That has been THE Eucharist of all of the church till 1500, and most of it since. Not juice and crackers.
do you doubt the Eucharistic miracles were performed, and forensic science confirms they are live , traumatized cardiac tissue , at Sokolka, legnica , tixtla, Buenos Aires, lanciano… ?it really is Him

Moreover a prophesied miracle happened at Fatima , so that all would “ see and believe” confirmed Jesus is offended at all the “ sacriliges, outrages and Indifferences “ against him in the tabernacle.

So the question is not why we believe it but why do you ignore the evidence of scripture, tradition, authority and even science !
You are told not to profane it, and that you need it for Jesus to “ abide in you” and to be “ raised up on the last day”

We are disciplined . We kept the true eucharist for 2000 years.
 
That has been THE Eucharist of all of the church till 1500, and most of it since. Not juice and crackers.
do you doubt the Eucharistic miracles were performed, and forensic science confirms they are live , traumatized cardiac tissue , at Sokolka, legnica , tixtla, Buenos Aires, lanciano… ?it really is Him
Yes, there is no holiness of shadows that some call sacraments. Shadows of the eternal things to come. Ceremonial laws are shadows of the eternal not seen. not the true substance Christ. They are a sign to the unbelieving world not a sign unto themselves Like that of Aaron two son desired to join the priesthood they added their own personal touch as 15 minutes of false fame. They added to the word of God violating the commandment do not add or subtract they were consumed their priestly attire not a hint of smoke. God will not share his glory with dying mankind by it he raises the dead giving them a born-again spirit and a new heart.

They simply literalize the parable. "eat my flesh, and drink my blood", Saying the wafer served by venerated puffed-up ones as a law of the fathers which they call bread turns into literal blood. denying the mystery of the parable hidden from them. Revealed to those who trust (sola scriptura) the word of our living God not seen. . without a law of the fathers, oral traditions of dying mankind.

This is even though the law was taught to them that things that go into our mouth come our as waste. Food made for these dying bodies have no power to eternal life.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Remember the life of the flesh is in the blood but that life is the unseen spirit. Living sacrifice God does not accept dead sacrifices When finished with the ceremony the spiritless blood must be poured o so that it might return to the dust Repeating several times in the old. Pour it out.

Another parable helps to understand the idea of drink the blood of man revealed in two places .

David in prison. God sent him a be hearing of his word having sent him a thirst for hearing the gospel previously God having dual purpose. feed the flesh and the spirit. three to denote the end of the matter. Three as one were sent to Bethlehem the city of bread to the well of living water. But David refused to drink it . the water metaphor was changed to blood. In a similar too way the water was changed to wine, the blood of the grapes

Both water and blood represent the doctrines of Crist that fall inspired from heaven

1 Chronicles 11:16 And David was then in the hold, and the Philistines' garrison was then at Bethlehem. And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, that is at the gate! And the three brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: but David would not drink of it, but poured it out to the Lord. And said, My God forbid it me, that I should do this thing: shall I drink the blood of these men that have put their lives in jeopardy? for with the jeopardy of their lives they brought it. Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mightiest.

The gospel the Faither pouring out his Sprit life on corrupted flesh and blood in jeopardy of his own powerful Spirit life.
 
Yes, there is no holiness of shadows that some call sacraments. Shadows of the eternal things to come. Ceremonial laws are shadows of the eternal not seen. not the true substance Christ. They are a sign to the unbelieving world not a sign unto themselves Like that of Aaron two son desired to join the priesthood they added their own personal touch as 15 minutes of false fame. They added to the word of God violating the commandment do not add or subtract they were consumed their priestly attire not a hint of smoke. God will not share his glory with dying mankind by it he raises the dead giving them a born-again spirit and a new heart.

They simply literalize the parable. "eat my flesh, and drink my blood", Saying the wafer served by venerated puffed-up ones as a law of the fathers which they call bread turns into literal blood. denying the mystery of the parable hidden from them. Revealed to those who trust (sola scriptura) the word of our living God not seen. . without a law of the fathers, oral traditions of dying mankind.

This is even though the law was taught to them that things that go into our mouth come our as waste. Food made for these dying bodies have no power to eternal life.

John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Remember the life of the flesh is in the blood but that life is the unseen spirit. Living sacrifice God does not accept dead sacrifices When finished with the ceremony the spiritless blood must be poured o so that it might return to the dust Repeating several times in the old. Pour it out.

Another parable helps to understand the idea of drink the blood of man revealed in two places .

David in prison. God sent him a be hearing of his word having sent him a thirst for hearing the gospel previously God having dual purpose. feed the flesh and the spirit. three to denote the end of the matter. Three as one were sent to Bethlehem the city of bread to the well of living water. But David refused to drink it . the water metaphor was changed to blood. In a similar too way the water was changed to wine, the blood of the grapes

Both water and blood represent the doctrines of Crist that fall inspired from heaven

1 Chronicles 11:16 And David was then in the hold, and the Philistines' garrison was then at Bethlehem. And David longed, and said, Oh that one would give me drink of the water of the well of Bethlehem, that is at the gate! And the three brake through the host of the Philistines, and drew water out of the well of Bethlehem, that was by the gate, and took it, and brought it to David: but David would not drink of it, but poured it out to the Lord. And said, My God forbid it me, that I should do this thing: shall I drink the blood of these men that have put their lives in jeopardy? for with the jeopardy of their lives they brought it. Therefore he would not drink it. These things did these three mightiest.

The gospel the Faither pouring out his Sprit life on corrupted flesh and blood in jeopardy of his own powerful Spirit life.
Sola scriptura is completely false. Neither logical, scriptural, nor historical. it is the cause of 10000 schisms because none of you agree whats rupture means,

The faith was handed down( ie tradition) by those sent to preach. New testament came later.
With disputes resolved in council,( power to bind and loose). So the CHURCH is the foundation of truth.

As for what Jesus taught ask disciples of John.
bread became flesh, valid only with a bishop in succession.
And so it has always been, till reformationists Destroyed the true faith,

protestants teach false and errant nonsense.
 
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Sola scriptura is completely false. Neither logical, scriptural, nor historical. it is the cause of 10000 schisms because none of you agree whats rupture means,

The faith was handed down( ie tradition) by those sent to preach. New testament came later.
With disputes resolved in council,( power to bind and loose). So the CHURCH is the foundation of truth.

As for what Jesus taught ask disciples of John.
bread became flesh, valid only with a bishop in succession.
And so it has always been, till reformationists Destroyed the true faith,

protestants teach false and errant nonsense.
The first century reformation (Hebrew 9) that restored the government of faith. . believing the words of our unseen Holy Father that worked in believers and not the law of the legion of fathers as a succession of flesh and blood. . oral tradition of dying venerable mankind as heresies. They are the ones spoken of in Acts 22 murdering and torturing those who refused to get under the law of dying men (oral traditions) The pagan foundation out of sight out of mind .

No belief in a unseen Holy Father or you see what you get (faithless) When Paul escaped being born again from above Paul became #1 on the legion of fathers wanted dead or alive.

They tried to prove sola scriptura was heresy (oral traditional dying mankind) so that they could keep their own law of men . oral traditions of dying mankind.

Paul revealed the gospel it refuted what they called heresy. Paul served the unseen Father of earthy fathers. They do not venerate their dying flesh as if there was no heavenly Holy Father.

Acts 24:5 For we have found this man a pestilent fellow, and a mover of sedition among all the Jews throughout the world, and a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarenes: Who also hath gone about to profane the temple: whom we took, and would have judged according to our law. (oral traditions of men)

Acts 24:13-14 Neither can they prove the things whereof they now accuse me.But this I confess unto thee, that after the way which they call heresy, so worship I the God of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the law and in the prophets:

Again, two kinds of fathers Satan would make it all one in the same.

Previously as Saul he worshiped a legion of fathers as if they many gods make up the one manner
One manner one God hallowed by one name (Eternal God)

Mathew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

Sola scriptura the reforming authority in any time period and size of those who gather together under all things written in the law and prophets Two or three a family or nation or two or the billion.

Matthew 18:20For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them
 
Sola scriptura is completely false. Neither logical, scriptural, nor historical. it is the cause of 10000 schisms because none of you agree whats rupture means,

The faith was handed down( ie tradition) by those sent to preach. New testament came later.
With disputes resolved in council,( power to bind and loose). So the CHURCH is the foundation of truth.

As for what Jesus taught ask disciples of John.
bread became flesh, valid only with a bishop in succession.
And so it has always been, till reformationists Destroyed the true faith,

protestants teach false and errant nonsense.
You should consider the ramification of disregarding scripture for use of correction of those that have gone astray.

Matthe1 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven. 11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost. 12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? 13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray. 14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

So what happens when a church goes astray, especially when they insists on teachings and practices not taught as plainly as such to the N.T. Churches? We can only hope those that hear, will seek the truth from Jesus Christ in His words rather than the words of their church.

2 Timothy 3:12 Timothy 3:1This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as their's also was.

Catholic prophecies has the last Pope in office and soon, the Vatican will be destroyed. I would say it will be a matter of "convenience" when their "headquarters" goes to Jerusalem after that for why the world will marvel of its "head" being healed per Biblical prophesies.

Point is; their end as far as the RCC is concern should be evident per Catholic prophesies, and yet it should be clear then that Peter was not the rock that the church was built on that the gates of hell should prevail against, but Jesus is that rock since He has conquered death by rising from the dead and has the keys to hell and death in His hands. It was never Peter that the church was built on but what Peter had said about Jesus being the Christ, the Son of the living God.

As it is, several Catholic priests has borne testimony that Satanism is being practiced at the Vatican. After that confession by Peter about Jesus being the Christ, Peter had rebuked Jesus for saying He will go to Jerusalem to die and raised again the third day; look at What Jesus said:

Matthew 16:21 From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. 22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. 23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

So neither Peter is that rock neither is the church supposedly began and built by Peter in Rome is that church that was built upon Peter.

Like a lobster in a slowly boiling pot in subjugating the believers to a system of dead works by the sacraments in the RCC, with the death of Peter & Paul in Rome, the "church" in power had to make compromises to avoid their fate by testifying that through no fault of their own, of the unbeliever did not know the gospel of Jesus Christ and His Church, they were saved.

"Outside the Church there is no salvation"

846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:

Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336

847 This affirmation is not aimed at those who, through no fault of their own, do not know Christ and his Church:

Those who, through no fault of their own, do not know the Gospel of Christ or his Church, but who nevertheless seek God with a sincere heart, and, moved by grace, try in their actions to do his will as they know it through the dictates of their conscience - those too may achieve eternal salvation.337

848 "Although in ways known to himself God can lead those who, through no fault of their own, are ignorant of the Gospel, to that faith without which it is impossible to please him, the Church still has the obligation and also the sacred right to evangelize all men."338

No mystery there why they said that in the Catechism when they had to have done that from the early beginning of that church in Rome, the center of idolatries, for how they were influence to make Mary a continual virgin in spite of scripture saying otherwise and other saints to pray to as if they are gods that can answer prayers.

Don't forget the last Pope says to Catholics not to convert heathens or unbelievers, but non-Catholic Christians to come back to the RCC. That is ignoring what was written in #848 but I believe they wrote that to save face to those early believers that would contend with them on that.

So by the actions of the history of the RCC, and you did have evil Popes, how is it that no excommunication is practiced on those that refuse to repent of child molestation, but just shuffle them off to another parish? Catholics should not deal with it "in house" but call the Police.

2 Timothy 3:12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution. 13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

I am not defending the Protestant churches for they too ignore scriptures in favor of Protestant's church traditions that are not Biblical to do, but I am sharing a point of truth with you that any errant church tradition has to be done by the correction of scriptures in either church.

With His help in seeing the truth in His words, it is the only way to weed the errant teachings out among those that misapply scriptures at the expense of other scriptures speaking plainly against how they are misapplying scripture to mean to support that false teaching or apostasy.
 
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
useful, profitable, not necessary
 
My former Covenant United Presbyterian Church would begin "holy communion" service with "We come into His Presence today..." but it is not the truth when He is in us always and so there is no coming to nor leaving Him after communion service.
Jn 6:53 Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you DO NOT HAVE LIFE within you

Jn 6:56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
 
The summary & purpose of this Church Discipline forum.

"This is quite essential for maintaining the purity of doctrine and for guarding the holiness of the sacraments. Churches that are lax in discipline are bound to discover sooner or later within their circle an eclipse of the light of the truth and an abuse of that which is holy. Hence a Church that would remain true to her ideal in the measure in which this is possible on earth, must be diligent and conscientious in the exercise of Christian discipline. The Word of God insists on proper discipline in the Church of Christ (Mt. 18:18; 1 Cor. 5:1-5, 13; 14:33, 40; Rev. 2:14, 15, 20). Louis Berkhof" .................................
Couple of questions:

  • Can you please provided the readers with a list of verses in the Bible actually using the word "sacrament" or "sacraments"?
  • What specifically, is a "sacrament"?
  • Would you please list the sacraments?
  • What does any sacrament have to do with Church discipline?
  • What do sacraments have to do with "ordinances"?
  • Why does Berkoff the definer of the matter?
  • Which sacrament would apply to the serially adulterous member or the false teacher in a congregation?
  • Define holiness.
  • Is this op intended to be a defense of Berkhof's views, the holiness of sacraments, or how sacraments apply to Church discipline?

No one will know or understand your position without these answers. I may have other questions but let's start with these basic ones.
 
Following God and His Church.
Which one as the head? The one good teaching master as Lord or dying mankind the church? . Which one represent the sword of the Spirit the living word of God .as that which defends us . The armor must be put on I would think?

No man can serve two headmasters as one unseen Lord .
 
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