Hebrews 6

[Eternally-Grateful]

ha! "light affliction"?? Sin is not 'messing up'. It is disastrous, but God holds things together.

But it can be messing up..

Its not the same for a believer as compared to a non believer.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Why the continuing demand for a definition for 'good enough'? I'm continuing to insist, there is no good enough, but Christ.

I am arguing against the thought that we must be good to be saved.

Not saying you believe this, but it is an argument that I have heard many times

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Do you need some point at which to know obedience vs disobedience?

Makes me think of a time a whole Sunday School hour in a class I was in, was spent discussing the right and wrong about helping someone out on the street who asked for money. Why do we have to have a defining point —in order to judge ourselves right according to God's judgement?

But it isn't even a question of knowing a dividing line. It seems more a question of, "how much can I get away with?"! That should never be the way for a believer to think.

For those who think we must be good or else.

There has to be a dividing line, or else they have no basis for which to make that argument

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Salvation is not depending on it. Salvation is identified or signified by it.

Again,

There are some who say it is.

That is what I am arguing against

 

[makesends]

It goes both ways.

You can;t accuse of Child of God of doing this likes get accused so often. Saying grace is a license to sin. When it is impossible

Can you rewrite that? I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying there.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

Can you rewrite that? I'm having trouble understanding what you are saying there.

Those who do not believe in eternal security believe we who do believe in a gospel that promotes a license to sin, ie we can sin all we want and it does not matter.

 

[makesends]

Those who do not believe in eternal security believe we who do believe in a gospel that promotes a license to sin, ie we can sin all we want and it does not matter.

The syntax there is not adding up, so I will go with what I think you mean to say.

Those who don't believe in Eternal Security would be wrong. There is no license to sin, at all. God is not mocked.

For what it is worth, my eternal security is based on God's decision. He WILL accomplish whatever he set out to do. If I have only fooled myself, and don't belong to him, he is still to be praised for his love, power, purity, wisdom, etc etc, AND for doing as he pleases.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

The syntax there is not adding up, so I will go with what I think you mean to say.

Those who don't believe in Eternal Security would be wrong. There is no license to sin, at all. God is not mocked.

For what it is worth, my eternal security is based on God's decision. He WILL accomplish whatever he set out to do. If I have only fooled myself, and don't belong to him, he is still to be praised for his love, power, purity, wisdom, etc etc, AND for doing as he pleases.

but they say we believe the way we do because we love our sin, ie we have a license to sin.

3rd john refutes that notion. a child of God can not live in sin, whoever does has never seen or met God..

 

[makesends]

but they say we believe the way we do because we love our sin, ie we have a license to sin.

3rd john refutes that notion. a child of God can not live in sin, whoever does has never seen or met God..

I don't get this. How does the fact that one loves one's sin mean that anyone has a license to sin?

3rd John is not alone in that. That is all over Scripture.

 

[Foghorn]

I don't get this. How does the fact that one loves one's sin mean that anyone has a license to sin?

Yea, I would ... I say, I would like to know too.

 

[Eternally-Grateful]

I don't get this. How does the fact that one loves one's sin mean that anyone has a license to sin?

3rd John is not alone in that. That is all over Scripture.

I do not think you understand what I am saying

THEY SAY THIS TO ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN OSAS

As for loving sin, we are new creatures. Sin is vomit

a dog returns to his vomit because he is a dog. A new creature may return because of habit, but he no longer loves it

I have not loved sin in over 50 years since I was born again. I go back to it, but every time I do. the taste is oppressing's and I regret what i did. thats why I can not LIVE in sin.. as John said

 

[makesends]

I do not think you understand what I am saying

THEY SAY THIS TO ME BECAUSE I BELIEVE IN OSAS

As for loving sin, we are new creatures. Sin is vomit

a dog returns to his vomit because he is a dog. A new creature may return because of habit, but he no longer loves it

I have not loved sin in over 50 years since I was born again. I go back to it, but every time I do. the taste is oppressing's and I regret what i did. thats why I can not LIVE in sin.. as John said

Oh, ok.

 

[ReverendRV]

Hebrews 6:
4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened and have tasted of the heavenly gift and have been made partakers of the Holy Spirit, 5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, 6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they again crucify to themselves the Son of God and put Him to open shame. 7 For ground that drinks the rain which often falls on it and produces vegetation useful to those for whose sake it is also tilled, receives a blessing from God; 8 but if it yields thorns and thistles, it is worthless and close to being cursed, and it ends up being burned.

If you are interested I am curious how you understand this passage.

Or anyone actually. This could be a great discussion.

The point of the Warnings to the Born Again Christian, to not Fall from Salvation; is what I call an 'Unrealized Potential' to Fall away. Losing our Salvation can happen; but it has never happened, and never will happen. The Warnings have more in common with Saint James' request for us to show 'him' our Works; they are for the Saint's benefit. We're to Perseve; or else...

The reason the Warnings are only an Unrealized Potential, is because Jesus will Lose NONE. The Potential to Lose Salvation is ours; but there's no potential for God to Lose a Born Again Believer...

As usual, the Debate revolves around the Principles of 'Either/Or' and 'Both/And'. Either people side with the Loss of Salvation, or they side with not Losing Salvation; or they side with both of the 'Promises' of Losing Salvation, and not Losing Salvation at the same time. Losing and not Losing Salvation both being 'True Promises', needs to be explained. The explanation is that of Perspective; the Human Perspective of Losing Salvation, and the Divine Perspective of Eternal Security for the Born Again. Taking the Either/Or Perspective, causes Christians to pick and choose which side they prefer; IE Cherry Picking...