Hebrews 6

[Eleanor]

Which of course is not faith so it is not faith they fell away from.

Counterfeit faith is not faith so it was not faith they fell aways from.

Previously addressed.

Do you maybe ever wonder if that is why all the IFS are in those Hebrew 6 verses.

There is one "if" (v.6) in Heb 6:4-6,

There is another "if" (v.8) in Heb 6:7-20.He gives us instructions is what He does.

 

[Arial]

This part only partially addressed.

When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: ​

“You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and ​

all of them are zealous for the law.​

All the Law!

Hebrews 6:4-6 says that some were crucifying Jesus afresh and putting him on public display as a mockery.
Paul was simply following a Nazarite vow you say? It had to have animal sacrifices to do that.

And, the Nazarite vow involved animal sacrifices! While all were taken care of on the Cross once and for all!

At the end of their vow, the Nazirite brings three sacrificial offerings to the Temple in Jerusalem. ​

The first is a ewe for a chatat (sin offering), the second is a lamb for an olah (elevation offering), ​

and finally a ram as a shelamim (peace offering) along with a basket of matzah and grain and drink ​

offerings." ​

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazirite​

10 Once a year Aaron shall make atonement on its horns. This annual atonement must be made with the blood of the atoning sin offering[a] for the generations to come. It is most holy to the Lord.”

Enough of this for me.

 

[Eleanor]

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end. 7 Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice, 8 Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness: 9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.

Hardly, as that reference is the call of the gospel

Heb 3:7-4:13 is about failing to enter Canaan because of unbelief and a warning not to do the same by failing to enter in NT salvation is Jesus Christ in a return to Judism.

being presented for why sinners are not to harden their hearts, resisting the witness of the Holy Ghost from citing Christ's words that Christ has risen from the dead & has ascended to God the Father in Heaven where Christ is the Head.

Hebrews 6:1-9 is about what the believer does after salvation by moving unto perfection for why there is no need to renew themselves again should they ever fall away.

Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

 

[ChristB4us]

Heb 3:7-4:13 is about failing to enter Canaan because of unbelief and a warning not to do the same by failing to enter in NT salvation is Jesus Christ in a return to Judism.

I agree if you keep it in that context, but it would be a mighty long message when you are including it all the way to Hebrews 6:9 as if Hebrews 6:1-9 is being in context of that message in Hebrews 3:7-4:13.

Hebrews 6:1-9 is about after salvation as in having entered into that rest by moving on to perfection and therefore no necessity to renew themselves again in doing all that after a person just been saved.

Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Since that foundation can never be removed, then it is what has been sown on that foundation that shall be judged, but though all the works of wood stubble and hay should be burned up, the foundation remains as the earth does having received life from the rain, but it is better to lean on Him for help to discern & to depart from iniquity rather than have Him do it the hard way in leaving believers for stripes behind when He comes.


Hebrews 12:1-11 KJV Note Hebrews 12:6 with Luke 12:46-48 in Luke 12:40-49 KJV for why stripes will be coming on the saved left behind.

 

[Eleanor]

I agree if you keep it in that context, but it would be a mighty long message when you are including it all the way to Hebrews 6:9 as if Hebrews 6:1-9 is being in context of that message in Hebrews 3:7-4:13.

Hebrews 6:1-9 is about after salvation as in having entered into that rest by moving on to perfection and therefore no necessity to renew themselves again in doing all that after a person just been saved.

Hebrews 6:1Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

Since that foundation can never be removed, then it is what has been sown on that foundation that shall be judged, but though all the works of wood stubble and hay should be burned up, the foundation remains as the earth does having received life from the rain, but it is better to lean on Him for help to discern & to depart from iniquity rather than have Him do it the hard way in leaving believers for stripes behind when He comes.


Hebrews 12:1-11 KJV Note Hebrews 12:6 with Luke 12:46-48 in Luke 12:40-49 KJV for why stripes will be coming on the saved left behind.

All of Hebrews is about not failing to enter into NT salvation rest in Jesus Christ, rest from our own works to save and in his work which saves.

 

[ChristB4us]

All of Hebrews is about not failing to enter into NT salvation rest in Jesus Christ, rest from our own works to save and in his work which saves.

It is not about failing to enter in but coming short of that rest after having entered in. They are saved but if they should fall away which is addressing saved believers BTW in Hebrews 6:1-9 then it is about no necessity to seek to be saved again when it is about repentance and there by moving unto perfection.

Paul cited this precaution as there is a labor on our part with His help to cease from our own works in trying to obtain salvation when we are saved.

Hebrews 4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

That exhortation is given to saved believers to keep laboring in that mindset that we are saved in the event they should fall away in Hebrews 6:1-9 as the only necessity there is, is not to be saved again, but to move on to perfection by looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin daily.

Hebrews 12:1Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

 

[Arial]

If they do not repent in moving on to perfection, then 1 Corinthians 3:10-17 applies as what is burned off of the earth of the thickets and the briars, so are the works, wood, stubble, and hay which defile the temple of God on that foundation that will get burned off, but the earth having that life giving rain just as the foundation laid by Jesus Christ remains is why the believer is still saved but at risk of dying when left behind.

1Cor 3:10-17 is regarding the foundation. I will highlight it for you.

1 Corinthians 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

The foundation Paul speaks of is the foundation that Jesus gave the apostles to lay---that is the doctrinal truth of Christ and His church. What this is saying is that those who may teach some things that are not completely accurate, as long as they teach the saving truths concerning Christ, they will be saved. But those things that were wrong that did not pertain to the saving doctrines of Christ will be burned up---that is become nothing and those who teach them will suffer loss of reward.

There is no legitimate way to make this what Hebrews 6 is speaking of. And there is no legitimate way to say that it refers to people who do not go in the rapture. That may be one of the things that is burned up. There is no definitive support in scripture that there will be such a pretribulation rapture as you see it. That too may be one of the things that gets burned up.

 

[Arial]

Sorry... you are loosing out on blessings.

That answer nails it!

Am I losing out on blessings because I don't believe the same thing you do about the book of Hebrews? Might I suggest that you do an in depth study of Proverbs and its instructions on wisdom for life. Pay close attention to those concerning pride, arrogance, and such. Then come back and dare to tell me that you are capable of making such a judgement about someone you don't even know, or know anything about.

 

[HIM]

Apostasy being such a sin.

Amen....Willful sin is apostacy.

 

[HIM]

What?

If we continue in willful sin we will die in our sin because we have done despite upon the Spirit of grace and have counted the blood of the covenant as nothing.

 

[Carbon]

If we continue in willful sin we will die in our sin because we have done despite upon the Spirit of grace and have counted the blood of the covenant as nothing.

okay

 

[HIM]

What is that willful sin when read in context?

Sins we do on purpose. For we as God have said, have His Law in our hearts and in our minds. We the sanctified have been perfected forever. And to Do despite upon the spirit of grace and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing brings God's fiery indignation. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of God.

 

[Eleanor]

It is not about failing to enter in but coming short of that rest after having entered in.

It's about returning to Judaism, which is apostasy, instead of entering into salvation rest in Jesus Christ

 

[Eleanor]

Amen....Willful sin is apostacy.

Continuing in willful sin is apotstasy.

 

[HIM]

It's about returning to Judaism, which is apostasy, instead of entering into salvation rest in Jesus Christ

If you are speaking of Hebrews 6 and 10 it is not talking about returning to Judaism though that would be included. It is speaking of continuing in willful sin. Any sin.

 

[civic]

Sins we do on purpose. For we as God have said, have His Law in our hearts and in our minds. We the sanctified have been perfected forever. And to Do despite upon the spirit of grace and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing brings God's fiery indignation. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of God.

What sin do you commit that was not of your own choosing and done willfully ?

 

[HIM]

What sin do you commit that was not of your own choosing and done willfully ?

As if you are making a point that takes away from the text? Continuing in willful sin will only bring the wrath of God upon them who do despite unto the Spirit of grace. That is what the text says. To get around it one has to outside of the context of the passage.

What of sins done without thinking in emotional distress? Not everything we do is premeditated. Somethings done are impulsive and reflexive. Especially the un-converted. He that commits sin is a slave to it. Hence Paul's testimony in Romans 7. But Thanks to the Lord for Jesus Christ. For He has set us free from the law of sin and death. That the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us who walk after the spirit and not after the flesh and it's desires that cause us to do what we would not.

 

[civic]

As if you are making a point that takes away from the text? Continuing in willful sin will only bring the wrath of God upon them who do despite unto the Spirit of grace. That is what the text says. To get around it one has to outside of the context of the passage.

What of sins done without thinking in emotional distress? Not everything we do is premeditated. Somethings done are impulsive and reflexive. Especially the un-converted. He that commits sin is a slave to it. Hence Paul's testimony in Romans 7. But Thanks to the Lord for Jesus Christ. For He has set us free from the law of sin and death. That the righteousness of the Law be fulfilled in us who walk after the spirit and not after the flesh and it's desires that cause us to do what we would not.

I’m talking about a believer . Sin is a willful act.

 

[Eleanor]

If you are speaking of Hebrews 6 and 10 it is not talking about returning to Judaism though that would be included. It is speaking of continuing in willful sin. Any sin.

It is all in reference to apostasy of Heb 2:1.

 

[HIM]

I’m talking about a believer . Sin is a willful act.

And the text says willfully sinning as continuing in an unconverted state. Those who do have no more sacrifice for sin. Only certain fearful looking forward to judgment and fiery indignation which shall devour the adversary, the unconverted willful sinner. It is a terrible thing to fall into the hands of our Lord and savior. For the Lord shall judge His people.