GOD MADE NO COVENANT WITH GENTILES

[prism]

If boasting is excluded why then do I hear boasting from Gentile Christians who refuse to accept their place before God and think their whole salvation is at the expense of the Hebrews whom they believe God has cast away never to be saved? The arrogance of Gentile Christians in my experience is their attitude that they are the be all of every gift of God that He's given to them.
Personally, I have entertained the thought that the 'Mystery, Babylon the Great, the Mother of Harlots and Abominations of the Earth" are Gentile Christians who take God's HOLY LOVE given to them and prostitute themselves by "loving the unsaved world" outside the covenant of God clearly in disobedience to the original command of God in Leviticus 19:17-18. Gentile Christians just can't accept God's Word in this and make every excuse to disobey Him and give that which is holy to an unholy people and cast their pearls to the swine. They take the Scripture and twist it to support their pet theories and unbiblical beliefs thereby in effect tell God what they want Him to say rather than allowing the Word of Truth tell them what to believe. As the Bride of Christ it is clear that if we give our love to someone other than our Betrothed, we are ADULTERERS AND ADULTRESSES plain and simple.
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I can't speak for other Christians except to say there is a difference between the tares and the wheat. (Mt. 13:24-30)

 

[donadams]

Matthew 15:24 I Am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

are the Greeks and gentiles of the house of Israel?

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to theGreek.

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jewfirst, and also to the Gentile:

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

The whole world

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Thanks

 

[donadams]

No, not all.
And if you'd been there, you'd yell "Crucify! Crucify!"

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; Eph 5:25.

Christ died for His Church and His Church and Bride is Israel.
Gentiles are grafted in.

The nation killed Him!


Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to theJew first, and also to theGreek.

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jewfirst, and also to the Gentile:

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

The whole world

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Thanks

 

[Eleanor]

 

[Eleanor]

19 And I will betroth thee unto me for ever;
Yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment,
And in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
20 I will even betroth thee unto me in faithfulness:
And thou shalt know the LORD.
21 And it shall come to pass in that day,
I will hear, saith the LORD, I will hear the heavens,
And they shall hear the earth;
22 And the earth shall hear the corn, and the wine, and the oil;
And they shall hear Jezreel.
23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth;
And I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy;
And I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people;
And they shall say, Thou art my God.
Hosea 2:19–23.

The Bride of Christ is Israel.
Gentiles are grafted in.
Unless you want to call God a liar.

Are you calling the NT word of God a liar in Eph 5:30-32?

The truth of Scripture is found only in reconciling Scripture to itself.
Those who understand Scripture know that to set it against itself, as you are doing, is error.
That is your choice.

The bride of Christ is the people of God, both of the OT (Hos 2:19-23) and the NT (Eph 2:30-32).
You get to decide if you believe the NT.

 

[Eleanor]

The Old Covenant is gone?
Is that why there's dozens of OT Laws believers are commanded to obey?
Like the command to not have other gods before me and taking the Name of the LORD in vain.
Like it says in the song, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss."
You have such a prejudice against Israel from whom there is salvation for salvation is of the Jews, Jesus said.

Speaking to the Samaritan woman, salvation was of the Jews, not the Samaritans.
Now inform yourself of the rest of the story in the NT epistles.
Salvation is of Jesus, who was a Jew.

But no one likes to listen to Jesus when He contradicts their beliefs.

As in your refusal to belief the rest of the NT; e.g., Eph 5:30-32.

 

[prism]

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to theGreek

Off Topic

 

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

are the Greeks and gentiles of the house of Israel?

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to theGreek.

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jewfirst, and also to the Gentile:

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

The whole world

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Thanks

It is amazing to me that I posted nothing except a verse, but yet there is argument.

Let's try these verses again, but we'll put the bold on different bits:

Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:

Paul's purpose is to downplay the difference between Jew and Gentile, and put emphasis on faith. Not the other way round.

Should we read further in the book of Romans, we find out that this is because non-believing Jews are removed from Israel, and believing Gentiles are added to the tribe.

-Jarrod

 

[Arial]

Between you and I my response reached the 10,000-character limit so I edited it, but your Scripture doesn't describe any covenant God made with Gentiles, only the blessings they received through God's covenant with Abraham.
The same Lord (Jesus Christ, Israel's Messiah) over all (Jew and Gentile believers) is rich unto all who worship Him ("call upon Him" is an OT term that describes worship, not that a person makes a verbal call out to God for salvation.)
As David said:

Abraham himself was a Gentile. Jacob, Abraham's grandson was called Israel. There was no Israel and no Jewish nation or people until God took the natural descendants of Abraham , centuries after the promise and covenant were made out of Egypt and into the land He promised Abraham. There were two aspects of the covenant with Abraham. One a land grant covenant---the Mosaic Sinai covenant----and the other of all nations being blessed through his Seed. The latter aspect deals with the the covenant of redemption first expressed in the Garden of Eden. That the serpent would bruise His heel, but He would crush the serpent's head. The Seed of the woman. The latter not concerning possession of land but of faith being counted as righteousness. (Gen 13-15)

National geographic Israel eventually lost the land because they repeatedly broke the covenant by breaking the very first commandment in it. Worshiping other gods.

But that did not stop the covenant of redemption through faith from continuing. The covenant Law was given to national Israel and had to be kept perfectly. This is the whole point of a national Israel with a land grant covenant of laws. Only in this way could One substitute His life for anyone's life. By becoming perfectly righteous Himself. Full obedience to all the Law. He could not just be said to be righteous by being the only righteous, God, but by becoming one of us and being perfectly righteous. The promised Seed of Abraham.

But the focus and purpose of redemption is not the national/geographic location Israel or the natural descendents of Abraham only and separately from Gentiles, that only concerned keeping the land, the focus and purpose of the covenant of redemption, is salvation by grace through faith in Christ, in all nations and peoples, for those whom God gives to the Son.

The new covenant is the complete fulfillment of the old covenant by Jesus and Him alone. And it is a covenant with all who believe. By grace, through faith, as promised to Abraham, the Gentile, all those centuries ago.

 

[donadams]

Off Topic

Are you kidding? You say only Jews and I proved you wrong! A little humility please
After all it is one of the virtues of Jesus Christ

 

[prism]

Are you kidding? You say only Jews and I proved you wrong! A little humility please
After all it is one of the virtues of Jesus Christ

Yes, a little humility is called for. What I had posted was off-topic so I erased it and gave the reason...'off topic'.
Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Arial]

If boasting is excluded why then do I hear boasting from Gentile Christians who refuse to accept their place before God and think their whole salvation is at the expense of the Hebrews whom they believe God has cast away never to be saved? The arrogance of Gentile Christians in my experience is their attitude that they are the be all of every gift of God that He's given to them.

A logical fallacy if I ever heard one. Let's take it apart and see what we have.

You state you hear boasting from Gentile Christians.
Like what? Like who? What do you refer to as boasting?

Who refuse to accept their place before God
What is their place before God and how do you determine that is their place before God? And how are they refusing to accept it?

think their whole salvation is at the expense of the Hebrews.
Do they? Really? And is "they" all Gentiles, and if so how do you know this?
Are you maybe determining your statements based on what you have decided is their place and determined what "they" think by imposing your thoughts as being theirs?
Why do you say it is at their expense and what do you mean by that?

whom they believe God has cast away never to be saved?
Considering all that has been said about salvation going to Jew and Gentile alike what causes you to say such a thing as "never to be saved." What do you have to support and prove such a statement?

The arrogance of Gentile Christians in my experience is their attitude that they are the be all of every gift of God that He's given to them.

Arrogance is a personal perception of something that may or may not be true. It could just as easily be that one simply does not agree with the one who calls them arrogant.
Is the attitude of considering themselves the be all of every gift of God to them ( I have to guess here that by "them" in this case you mean Israel) a reality or is it simply how you define their disagreement with you?

Could it be that in your zeal for Israel and the sole purpose of keeping it's national/geographic land and its ethnic people separate from and superior to the Gentiles (just like in the days of Christ when He admonished the Pharisees for just such an attitude. And the apostles in the NT admonished the ethnic Jews for the same thing) that you resort to unfactual accusations in order to do so? Is that not an argument that on it surface appears true or convincing but is actually deeply flawed? Is it not a leap of logic leading to an unsupported conclusion?

And if not superior to at least always separate from which kind of implies a better than attitude. It is not the Gentiles who ever separated themselves from Israel, it is God who made the wall of separation between the two, and that for His own purposes of redemption that would in time come to the Gentiles also. And Christ has torn down that wall of separation. Not rebuilt it. Or kept it in place. Eph 2:14-18 For He Himself is our peace, who has made both one, and has broken down the middle wall of separation, having abolished in His flesh the enmity, that is, the law of commandments contained in ordinances, so as to create in Himself one new man from the two, thus making peace, and that He might reconcile them both to God in one body through the cross, thereby putting to death the enmity. And He came and preached peace to you who were afar off and to those who were near. For through Him we both have access by one Spirit to the Father.

 

[donadams]

Yes, a little humility is called for. What I had posted was off-topic so I erased it and gave the reason...'off topic'.
Sorry for the confusion.

It’s all good

 

[jeremiah1five]

You really don't know the material.

God doesn't write love letters to anyone but His Beloved Israel. The Scripture was written by Hebrew/Jewish believers to and for other Hebrew/Jewish believers. He is a Jewish Messiah is He not?

 

[jeremiah1five]

...so that he could develop missionaries that would reach the Gentiles, lol. You either don't know the material or don't know how you sound.

The apostles were sent to Gentile lands because that where the twelve tribes were scattered to and lived. God is obligated to let them know that His Christ had come thereby showing He keeps His Promises. You think millions of Jews living in faraway Gentile lands don't need to be told by God He's kept His Promise and sent their Redeemer? I think God is much more responsible than you make Him out to be. And if Gentile-converts received the message and received salvation well and good.
Gentiles came later. Much later. I forget his name, but one scholar sets the beginning of the Times of the Gentiles at around AD67, which is sufficient for me because while the Temple was still standing there was only Judaism. The first 3000 that were saved at Peter's preaching in Acts 2 were Jews.

 

[jeremiah1five]

It helps to know if you are defining Israel by race-nation or by faith. "We" in Rom 9-11 is by faith, as you can see from both Rom 4 and 9:6, 24. The olive tree is people with faith, it is not the race nation.

Disagree. The national symbol for Israel in Scripture is the Olive tree.

Oh look: there are natural branches grafted BACK in. What does that tell you?
That is the kind of line that could have been written to any race-nation had that race-nation started making the Judaistic assumptions that Nicodemus had (he didn't realize his natural birth meant nothing). Jn 1:14: not by human descent or a husbands will. Paul was not against Jews, he was against 'taking credit for race-nation status' by anyone.

There are only two races on the planet: Jew and Gentile.
John's gospel is written to Jews. It is dated around AD70 (going by memory.)
And yes, it was a race-religion and a family-religion.
Jesus hailed from the tribe of Judah, so His people are the Jews. Prophesied to the Jews and came to the Jews. Sent to only the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

One tree does not a forest make.

Wait till the second coming.

 

[jeremiah1five]

I can't speak for other Christians except to say there is a difference between the tares and the wheat. (Mt. 13:24-30)

As much as there's a difference between true and false.

 

[jeremiah1five]

The nation killed Him!


Romans 1:16
For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to theJew first, and also to theGreek.

Romans 2:10
But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jewfirst, and also to the Gentile:

Lk 2:10 And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people.

The whole world

Jn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Jn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Thanks

Go back to the prophecy. God killed Him. You think He's going to let mere humans hurt His Son? It was Father Abraham that was ready with a knife to kill son Isaac.

4 Surely he hath borne our griefs,
And carried our sorrows:
Yet we did esteem him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
Is 53:4.

10 Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:
When thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin,
He shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days,
And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.
Is 53:10.

Just as there was a lamb slain by God from the foundation (creation) of the world so did God Himself slew His Son. And He used wicked hands to do it.
God was the one that made His Son an offering for [the] sin (of His people.)

 

[EarlyActs]

Disagree. The national symbol for Israel in Scripture is the Olive tree.

There are only two races on the planet: Jew and Gentile.
John's gospel is written to Jews. It is dated around AD70 (going by memory.)
And yes, it was a race-religion and a family-religion.
Jesus hailed from the tribe of Judah, so His people are the Jews. Prophesied to the Jews and came to the Jews. Sent to only the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Wait till the second coming.

You seriously don't know what John 1 and 3 and 4 are saying.

The national symbol always was about those who believe; which is why there is the distinction about the remnant, and why Isaiah says "only the remnant will be saved" and why he says "it is too small a task for you to bring back the remnant of Israel; I will make you a light for the nations."

I notice no Judaic features in Rom 2, 8, 11, I Cor 15, 2 Pet 3, Heb 9 about the 2nd coming. Some Jews and some Gentiles get saved, but there are no Judaic events, time periods, etc. The believers are collected, protected and enjoy the NHNE arrives in bliss. The others 'go to hell.' I do not accept the Rev as a source of doctrine on these things when there are ordinary-language statements that don't have the feature you think is there. It is for its time, primarily about the events of the 1st cent. conflict.

 

[jeremiah1five]