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GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL

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Eleanor said:
And there you have it, issue resolved.
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Then you agree with Scripture that God created evil.
And from there it’s understood that sin comes from sinner.

1 Samuel 24:13 (KJV) As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked:

Well done.
 
jeremiah1five said:
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Scripture says He did.

Isaiah 45:6–7 (KJV) I am the Lord, and there is none else.
7 I form the light, and create darkness:
I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord do all these things.

Receive the Word
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The match for evil is peace for when there is a conflict. So the nuance of the type of evil he is talking about is when the opposing party will not be reasonable. It is not outright evil.
 
jeremiah1five said:
The Scripture contradicts your belief.
God created evil.
Calamity is of God, too.
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Or at least your understanding of it does.

Scripture is replete with the holiness of God, his abhorence and intolerance of sin, particularly in his requirement of the death of his own Son to remove it from his presence in the elect.

God is not in business of creating sin.
God is in the business of either condemning or redeeming from sin, in either case he being just the opposite of the author of it.
 
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EarlyActs said:
The match for evil is peace for when there is a conflict. So the nuance of the type of evil he is talking about is when the opposing party will not be reasonable. It is not outright evil.
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This is the peace God addressed.

Luke 2:14 (KJV): 14 Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace,
Good will toward men.

Christ is the Prince of Peace. God made peace with His elect people through the cross.

And this is the evil God created:

1 Samuel 24:13 (KJV 1900): 13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked:

God created Adam sinful.

Adam sinned.

Sin comes from sinner.

Sin does not come from holiness or righteousness.
 
Eleanor said:
Or at least your understanding of it does.

Scripture is replete with the holiness of God, his abhorence and intolerance of sin, particularly in his requirement of the death of his own Son to remove it from his presence in the elect.

God is not in business of creating sin.
God is in the business of either condemning or redeeming from sin, in either case he being just the opposite of the author of it.
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You don’t understand the lamb slain from the foundation of the world and how it applies to the creation of a sinful being: Adam.

Scripture says God created evil.

You contradict His Word and in effect call God a liar.

1 John 5:9–10 (KJV) If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Believing in the Son means everything He is and represents of God the Father. God created everything through the Word (Christ) even a sinful man (Adam). Sin comes from sinner.

Wickedness come from the wicked.

Calling God a liar is evidence of unbelief.
 
jeremiah1five said:
This is the peace God addressed.

Luke 2:14 (KJV): 14 Glory to God in the highest,
And on earth peace,
Good will toward men.

Christ is the Prince of Peace. God made peace with His elect people through the cross.

And this is the evil God created:

1 Samuel 24:13 (KJV 1900): 13 As saith the proverb of the ancients, Wickedness proceedeth from the wicked:

God created Adam sinful.

Adam sinned.

Sin comes from sinner.

Sin does not come from holiness or righteousness.
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If Adam was sinful when created it would have showed in death in ch 2.

It doesn't sound like you've ever read Genesis 2-3. For comment see "The Moment of Decision" in F. Schaeffer, GENESIS IN SPACE AND TIME.
 
jeremiah1five said:
You don’t understand the lamb slain from the foundation of the world and how it applies to the creation of a sinful being: Adam.

Scripture says God created evil.

You contradict His Word and in effect call God a liar.
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You misunderstand Scripture and make God evil and the author of sin.
Calling God a liar is evidence of unbelief.
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Making God evil and the author of sin is not evidence of faith.
 
EarlyActs said:
If Adam was sinful when created it would have showed in death in ch 2.

It doesn't sound like you've ever read Genesis 2-3. For comment see "The Moment of Decision" in F. Schaeffer, GENESIS IN SPACE AND TIME.
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It did show in death. If Adam had not sinned in disobeying God he still would have died for he was not eternal. If not eternal he would lack of the standard to stand before a Holy God. The word in Greek is “harmatia” and it is translated “sin” and it means “missing the mark.”
What is the “mark?”
The glory of God.
Only ONE Person can stand before a Holy God and that is a Holy Son.

I don’t need to read Schaefer.
I only need to read the Scripture under the anointing.
 
Eleanor said:
You misunderstand Scripture and make God evil and the author of sin.

Making God evil and the author of sin is not evidence of faith.
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Scripture says that God created evil.
Play all the word games you want.
You refuse the Word of God.
You call God a liar.
Very sad.
 
jeremiah1five said:
Scripture says that God created evil.
Play all the word games you want.
You refuse the Word of God.
You call God a liar.
Very sad.
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No it doesn't it says calamity. Bad translation.

New American Standard Bible
The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating disaster; I am the LORD who does all these things.

NET Bible
I am the one who forms light and creates darkness; the one who brings about peace and creates calamity. I am the LORD, who accomplishes all these things.

Even the NJKV corrected the bad translation of the KJV.

New King James Version
I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create calamity; I, the LORD, do all these things.’

King James Bible
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
 
jeremiah1five said:
No.

Matthew 4:1 (KJV 1900): Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

I receive this Word.
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But since your "version" of Jesus COULDN'T BE TEMPTED (Tested, Tried), it was really just "window Dressing" to Catholics.
 
jeremiah1five said:
You don’t understand the lamb slain from the foundation of the world and how it applies to the creation of a sinful being: Adam.

Scripture says God created evil.

You contradict His Word and in effect call God a liar.

1 John 5:9–10 (KJV) If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

Believing in the Son means everything He is and represents of God the Father. God created everything through the Word (Christ) even a sinful man (Adam). Sin comes from sinner.

Wickedness come from the wicked.

Calling God a liar is evidence of unbelief.
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Is your belief that God created evil from the Isaiah text only? Because that is the only thing close and it is qualified; it has a nuance (all Scripture does; it isn't up for grabs for the surface appearance.). As you may know, a philosopher once wrote about 100 years ago: 'if there is a god, he is the devil.'
 
Eleanor said:
Scripture also states, "There is no God."
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That’s what a fool says.
The fool says that because they disbelieve what Scripture/God has said and Scripture/God says that God created evil.
You disbelieve the Scripture/God.
What’s indicated?
 
EarlyActs said:
Is your belief that God created evil from the Isaiah text only? Because that is the only thing close and it is qualified; it has a nuance (all Scripture does; it isn't up for grabs for the surface appearance.). As you may know, a philosopher once wrote about 100 years ago: 'if there is a god, he is the devil.'
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No, not Isaiah only.

And some - even believers in ignorance of Scripture - say if there is a devil he is god.
 
Bob Carabbio said:
But since your "version" of Jesus COULDN'T BE TEMPTED (Tested, Tried), it was really just "window Dressing" to Catholics.
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Jesus was tempted but without sin.

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900): 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
 
jeremiah1five said:
That’s what a fool says.
The fool says that because they disbelieve what Scripture/God has said and Scripture/God says that God created evil.
You disbelieve the Scripture/God.
What’s indicated?
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That is why the context and nuance of every statement must be discerned, which is what we are asking you today about 'God created evil.' Somehow you knew there was a context there on 'fool' but on 'evil' you think the expression is a blank check to apply anywhere.
 
The Christian faith is founded on knowledge, and knowledge of the Word of God.
Misunderstanding Scripture is to misunderstand God and this so-great salvation.
As you do.
 
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