GOD CREATED MAN (ADAM) SINFUL

[Eleanor]

So Jesus died for free will?
What free will is this when there is no free will. Only God’s Will.
God’s Will is Sovereign.
Man’s will is not.
Free will in man is an illusion.
Man’s will cannot even choose Christ.
It chooses sin and evil.
The same way Adam chose to sin.
A leopard cannot change its spots.

Inadequate understanding of Biblical free will.

Explains a lot.

 

[civic]

The original vulgate was the Received Text.
The Latin was used in the completion of the English KJV.
But it (Latin Vulgate) had its problems with accuracy.

just like the KJV does.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Inadequate understanding of Biblical free will.

Explains a lot.

Enlighten me.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Still, God used the KJV to speak directly and inspirationally to me. The Holy Spirit was very convincing.
Very.

 

[civic]

Still, God used the KJV to speak directly and inspirationally to me. The Holy Spirit was very convincing.
Very.

I would never deny that was and is the case with 100's of 1000's of people.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Jesus was tempted but without sin.

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900): 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

ANd the "Without SIN" aspect is the miracle. Jesus COULD HAVE let His temptation conceive (since He was a human being, with a Human nature). But He didn't.

 

[jeremiah1five]

ANd the "Without SIN" aspect is the miracle. Jesus COULD HAVE let His temptation conceive (since He was a human being, with a Human nature). But He didn't.

But He was never separated from His Divinity.
He could never have sinned.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

But He was never separated from His Divinity.
He could never have sinned.

Unless He COULD HAVE, but didn't. If He "couldn't have sinned", then He was NEVER TEMPTED in all respects AS WE ARE, and His "temptation" was all a sham.

 

[EarlyActs]

Still, God used the KJV to speak directly and inspirationally to me. The Holy Spirit was very convincing.
Very.

"Our own experience can be the most blinding about a topic." --historian Belloc

 

[jeremiah1five]

Unless He COULD HAVE, but didn't. If He "couldn't have sinned", then He was NEVER TEMPTED in all respects AS WE ARE, and His "temptation" was all a sham.

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900): 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

 

[jeremiah1five]

"Our own experience can be the most blinding about a topic." --historian Belloc

Only the ignorant can be blinded.

God controls the eye.

 

[EarlyActs]

Only the ignorant can be blinded.

God controls the eye.

That's very interesting to say God controls that; we are responsible. I don't know what you mean.

 

[jeremiah1five]

That's very interesting to say God controls that; we are responsible. I don't know what you mean.

Example of Sovereign God over man:

Mark 4:11 (KJV 1900): 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Luke 8:10 (KJV 1900): 10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

God actively prevented “those without” (non-covenant) from understanding His teachings through Christ.

Free-will in man is an illusion.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Example of Sovereign God over man:

Mark 4:11 (KJV 1900): 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Luke 8:10 (KJV 1900): 10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

God actively prevented “those without” (non-covenant) from understanding His teachings through Christ.

Free-will in man is an illusion.

God IS a respecter of persons!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Hebrews 4:15 (KJV 1900): 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Yup - that's what I said.

 

[Eleanor]

God IS a respecter of persons!

Respecter of persons is in regard to justice.
God does not regard one more than another (respecter of persons) in the administration of justice.
All are given what they are owed, their due, what they have earned.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Yup - that's what I said.

Nah.
You implied that if He couldn’t sin then the temptation was a sham.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Respecter of persons is in regard to justice.
God does not regard one more than another (respecter of persons) in the administration of justice.
All are given what they are owed, their due, what they have earned.

There you go again.
-Ronald Reagan.

Where God’s respect of persons in which He Sovereignly chooses one person to salvation over another has nothing to do with justice. Merely upon the good pleasure of His Will.

 

[Eleanor]

There you go again.
-Ronald Reagan.

Where God’s respect of persons in which He Sovereignly chooses one person to salvation over another has nothing to do with justice. Merely upon the good pleasure of His Will.

Everything God does is totally in conformity with justice, or he is not God.

Jesus paid their penalty for them, God's justice is satisfied regarding them. He is sovereignly free to give them anything he choose to give them.

 

[makesends]

There you go again.
-Ronald Reagan.

Where God’s respect of persons in which He Sovereignly chooses one person to salvation over another has nothing to do with justice. Merely upon the good pleasure of His Will.

You sound like you think she disagrees with that.