Gen 6...who are the sons of God?

[GeneZ]

The sons of God would have most likely have come to present themselves before the Angel of the Lord. The same Angel Moses had presented himself before.
The adversary had come among the sons from wandering to a fro on the earth.
They were like those of the land of Nod where Cain was sent. Called Wanderers..
Wandering their way out of the way.

It does not mention the Angel of Jehovah.
With Moses it did.

Who was walking in the Garden with Adam and the woman?
The Angel of Jehovah???

For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down."

Did the Lord trip him?

 

[LeviR]

It does not mention the Angel of Jehovah.
With Moses it did.

Who was walking in the Garden with Adam and the woman?
The Angel of Jehovah???

For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down."

Did the Lord trip him?

I would think it was the Angel of the Lord whom Cain was sent out of His presence.

I’m confused. Was he hurled down before he got women pregnant or at the last day.

 

[GeneZ]

I would think it was the Angel of the Lord whom Cain was sent out of His presence.

I’m confused. Was he hurled down before he got women pregnant or at the last day.

Who am I to say?

Its yours!

Enjoy your fantasy.

 

[Alive]

If they were truly sons of God?
Why then were they placed at the bottom?

Come on!

Only angels were called sons of God in the OT.

When Satan in the book of Job appeared before the Lord?
He did so with children of Seth?
Makes me ashamed to say I am a Christian sometimes.

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves
before the Lord, and Satan also came among them." Job 1:6​

Play that game all you want. It does not make you look smart, but only clever.


Job 1:6 plainly states that Satan appeared with the sons of God. Not, Seth's family.

Arguments like these make some intelligent unbelievers that I may witness to, feel justified in their rejection of Christianity.
For it does not glorify the Lord. Its only a self glory of those who think how clever they are in finding ways to avoid what they can not yet handle mentally with truth.

Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God?
Or am I trying to please people?
If I were still trying to please people,
I would not be a servant of Christ."

Galatians 1:10


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Ease up on personal insult. Please review the TOS…Rules all agreed to when joining.
You agreed to obey them.

 

[CrowCross]

The only reason whoever wrote the Book of Enoch had that idea included, was because the OT believers had no problem
with understanding what "sons of God" meant 'angels' to them.

I'm thinking it was the other way around...The book of Enoch was already around and everyone knew about the fallen watcher angels and the no-no they did. All Moses had to do was mention it in Genesis and not write in detail because the detailed writing already existed.

 

[CrowCross]

Does "sons of God" always refer to angels?

Typically yes. Some says t refers to an original creation of God. That is a being that was procreated. Such as angels. Perhaps even Adam can be directly called a son of God.....or christians can be called sons of God because of our new "heart".

But, when we read Job as well as Genesis 6.....the context clearly speaks of angels. The book of Enoch adds a lot of light to the picture.

 

[Alive]

I'm thinking it was the other way around...The book of Enoch was already around and everyone knew about the fallen watcher angels and the no-no they did. All Moses had to do was mention it in Genesis and not write in detail because the detailed writing already existed.

It sounds as though you read Heiser. His arguments were compelling, but breaks down over the law of ‘kinds’.
We would need absolute compelling evidence to ignore and flip on its head…the law of kinds.
I have yet to see it. Only speculation. Perhaps even Gnosticism.

 

[CrowCross]

It sounds as though you read Heiser. His arguments were compelling, but breaks down over the law of ‘kinds’.
We would need absolute compelling evidence to ignore and flip on its head…the law of kinds.
I have yet to see it. Only speculation. Perhaps even Gnosticism.

You speak of the laws of 'Kind" and yet you have no clue as to what angels are made of. You know nothing of their DNA and very little of their abilities.

Yet, you feel you can make such factual statements.

 

[Alive]

You speak of the laws of 'Kind" and yet you have no clue as to what angels are made of. You know nothing of their DNA and very little of their abilities.

Yet, you feel you can make such factual statements.

Doesnt scripture teach us angels don’t have kids?

 

[makesends]

You speak of the laws of 'Kind" and yet you have no clue as to what angels are made of. You know nothing of their DNA and very little of their abilities.

Yet, you feel you can make such factual statements.

Flesh begets flesh; Spirit begets spirit. Are angels not spirit beings? How can their kind reproduce flesh?

 

[LeviR]

Flesh begets flesh; Spirit begets spirit. Are angels not spirit beings? How can their kind reproduce flesh?

Jhn 3:6 - That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of theSpirit is spirit.

Anyone born of flesh and blood parents are flesh and blood children made in the image and likeness of the parent who was made in the image and likeness of God.They are also mortal as their parents, and not immortal as God.

Anyone born of the Spirit is spirit. They have God as their Father. They come from the grave having not been born of mortal parents but born immortal as their Father, having His immortal image.

Jhn 3:7 - Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

Jhn 3:8 - The wind blows where it wishes, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but can not tell where it cometh, and where it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Having been made immortal by being born from the dead with a spirit body, they are spirit. They are as the wind. You can not tell where they come from or where they go. In order to see them your eyes have to be opened. They could be standing right beside you but not have opened your eyes to see them. Such as are the angels.

A man who would be said to be born of the Spirit and be spirit who was not born from the grave a spirit body would not be like the wind. You could tell from where he came and follow him wherever he goes.

 

[CrowCross]

Doesnt scripture teach us angels don’t have kids?

No. Show me a verse that says angels can't procreate.

I've shown you gen 6 which says they can.

 

[CrowCross]

Flesh begets flesh; Spirit begets spirit. Are angels not spirit beings? How can their kind reproduce flesh?

Are people also not spirit beings? Do people not have a spirit?

You have no clue as to what angels are made of. Can a spirit eat? Angels can. This means they are more than spirit just as we are more than spirit.

 

[Alive]

No. Show me a verse that says angels can't procreate.

I've shown you gen 6 which says they can.

I will try…
Marriage is not a ceremony. In God’s economy, marriage is the joining of a man and woman in order to procreate.
So, then…knowing this is certain consider what Jesus Himself says here and also recorded in the Synoptics.
A comparison is made.
““For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.”

(Matthew 22:30 NAS20)

Accordance

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[CrowCross]

I will try…
Marriage is not a ceremony. In God’s economy, marriage is the joining of a man and woman in order to procreate.
So, then…knowing this is certain consider what Jesus Himself says here and also recorded in the Synoptics.
A comparison is made.
““For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.”

(Matthew 22:30 NAS20)

Accordance

accordance.bible

Yes, they were not given to marriage in heaven. What you and others have done is made an assumption that Angels can't reproduce based upon that text...which that text doesn't demonstrate.

 

[Alive]

Yes, they were not given to marriage in heaven. What you and others have done is made an assumption that Angels can't reproduce based upon that text...which that text doesn't demonstrate.

I understand your pov. It’s not mine.
For myself, the law of kinds is the trump card.
I have not seen evidence in scripture to move from that position.
I see lots of speculation and in the case of Mike Heiser an interesting construct…I was almost convinced.
Almost.

 

[GeneZ]

Ease up on personal insult. Please review the TOS…Rules all agreed to when joining.
You agreed to obey them.

Then stick with what was actually being said.

For it can be even more so insulting when truth is pushed aside and denied with a clever substitute that is not truth.

Keep in mind. Sinless Jesus insulted some when it was called for.

 

[Alive]

Then stick with what was actually being said.

For it can be even more so insulting when truth is pushed aside and denied with a clever substitute that is not truth.

Keep in mind. Sinless Jesus insulted some when it was called for.

You are not Jesus and this is not the world at large. The owner (authority) set down rules to be obeyed as a condition of membership.
It’s very simple. Kick against the pricks?

 

[GeneZ]

Doesnt scripture teach us angels don’t have kids?

Where? And, why should it?

Because of Satan's prehistoric rebellion, God called off providing female angels.
All this can be proven with Scripture.

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At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven.​

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Matthew 22:30​

Jesus said that God's angels in heaven are not given in marriage.

Why not just say?
Angels are not given in marriage?

Why specifically, "angels in heaven?"

Because the first gay district in existence is to be found amongst the fallen angels who are removed outside of receiving God's grace to give them celibacy.

It's an atomic bomb in spiritual warfare I am explaining to you.
It reveals and explains the origins for all homosexuality.

Genesis 6 screams out that angels were originally designed and created to sexually procreate!
Adam was all alone and was designed the same way! If Adam rebelled while yet being alone?

In Christ.................

 

[GeneZ]

You are not Jesus and this is not the world at large. The owner (authority) set down rules to be obeyed as a condition of membership.
It’s very simple. Kick against the pricks?

Not kicking....