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Free Will ~yet again.

That is what faith is. You can't know (absolutely) or prove that God exists. You can only believe that He exists. Believing God is and believing in Him is faith. That comes as He says in Romans 10 and I posted. PERIOD!
You can only truly believe that God exists only by divine revelation, when our spirit becomes Born Again by the Living Power Of Gods Living Witness His Living Holy Spirit.

Faith is a gift from God, without God given faith which as his word says “ a gift” ..you would never know God exists in your spirit, that is where we know the Lord....that is where the Holy Spirit has taken up permanent residence in our spirit...which is by divine revelation.

God is a Spirit that’s how we know him in our spirit.
 
The only divine revelation concerning any of this is the Bible. Any epiphany you might have had in the past is not, cannot be, anything even remotely related to divine revelation.

And since that doesn't even begin to compute with you, I will end it there.
I would not go so far as this in denying another’s experience as she has shared.
 
Then tell me what divine revelation means?

How was your spirit brought from death to life in Christ?

I’ve also presented you with divine revelation scripture...

There is nothing detailed about becoming Born Of God’s seed...it’s not read into being I’m afraid.

We are either Born Again by the Spirit which is by divine revelation....or we aren’t....I was Born Again having never read a Bible...because being Born Of God’s Living seed is by divine revelation.

I think we best end our conversation as we are most definitely 100% in disagreement of what it means to be regenerated/ Born Of The Spirit/ Born Again.
I don t think you two disagree as much as it may seem, but I do agree this is a good time to break off.
 
OK…both of you guys. Take a break on this please. I am asking. Please.
 
OK…both of you guys. Take a break on this please. I am asking. Please.
Yes, most definitely agree.

I think we are both very passionate about the word...then before you know it...it can start to get nasty and the insults start flying...we are both defending what we believe....anyway, thanks for the warning..I’m done on this thread with JIM...I hope he is also done with me...God Bless.
 
@Alive ...I don’t think we are supposed to argue over scripture?

God has showed me , I need to know when to stop, that’s an area I pray he works in me...I’m terrible at having the last word....please help me in this area Lord....I know where it stems from...I really pray for this, in Jesus Name...Amen!!

I need to state my case then walk away..not keep repeat after repeat....Lol.
 
Funny, that. I hear easily ten times more about Calvin from those bent on destroying Calvinism and Reformed Theology, than I do from Calvinists and the Reformed. I wouldn't be surprised to find that I have never mentioned him in these forums unless in response to someone else who brought his name up. And from various directions, almost all I ever debate is in one way or another about, or, at least, related to, predestination.
That most likely is because once the name John Calvin comes into the mix the assumption of which side of predestination one falls on is apparent. It is so much easier to simply say Calvinism...

Many a church has based their theology teachings on the Westminster Confession of Faith, which parrots much of Calvin...Although not crediting him with such. It came about around a 100 years give or take after Calvin.

Now we could head up a discussion comparing John Calvin and Martin Luther's beliefs on the subject... and while being all interesting...
Luther is not the one whose name comes to mind when the "P" word is mentioned, simply because his beliefs were different then Calvin.
 
Back before and during the reformation, many members across the Body of Christ, were dealing with the extra biblical issues coming out of the Roman church. It was an amazing time that showed the power of the Word of God and great courage in folks as God emboldened them. Of course, there were disagreements, but we now have a perspective that tells us how amazing it was. Rome had a powerful grip of fear over much of Christendom.
Truly an amazing time.
 
Back before and during the reformation, many members across the Body of Christ, were dealing with the extra biblical issues coming out of the Roman church. It was an amazing time that showed the power of the Word of God and great courage in folks as God emboldened them. Of course, there were disagreements, but we now have a perspective that tells us how amazing it was. Rome had a powerful grip of fear over much of Christendom.
Truly an amazing time.
I take it that you like to read the history of the Bible.?
 
I take it that you like to read the history of the Bible.?
My training has had me study much and it never stops.
I do love history and especially the history of God’s People since the Cross, but not limited to this period.
God reveals a great deal of who He is from Genesis until now.
When I study scripture, I look for Christ, the Word…and He is everywhere.
 
My training has had me study much and it never stops.
I do love history and especially the history of God’s People since the Cross, but not limited to this period.
God reveals a great deal of who He is from Genesis until now.
When I study scripture, I look for Christ, the Word…and He is everywhere.
Interesting......

Oh right, what does looking for Christ mean , the word?
 
Wow!!..I never knew he was a self - appointed prophet.

Does that mean he was Like Jesus and communicated with God via his spirit?

I was not around when he was. I haven't read he did.... but of what I read I think he may have believed he did????

From the following links I gave you is this..... Calvin would have seen himself as possessing the same authority as Jeremiah or Ezekiel, and concludes by entertaining the idea that he may have believed himself to be infallible in matters of doctrine.
And the last link below, from a book states this.
3) It argues Calvin believed his prophetic authority was the same as Isaiah and Jeremiah, and suggests that he may have held himself to be infallible in matters related to Christian doctrine.

So perhaps he did think he was.... or maybe he did??????????

How did Jesus communicate with God, through his Spirit?

In an audible voice?

I’ve never experienced Gods audible voice, did Calvin experience that?

Please explain the role of a prophet?

I will also look it up in the word?

I am hoping God will explain a prophet to me through you.

I suspect that there were no actual prophets outside of biblical times.

There are self appointed ones such as Ellen G White of the Seventh Day Adventist fame.
members of the SDA church regard her as a prophetess as she has endless writings that formed their church and she claimed all was revealed to her by ....

Well, from one of her writings is this.... you might want to read the link https://adventistreview.org/magazine-article/the-vision-that-could-not-be-told/

During a series of meetings in Salamanca, New York, in November 1890, Ellen White was addressing large groups. But she became weak, having caught a severe cold on the trip to the city.

After one of the meetings she left for her room discouraged and sick. She intended to pour out her soul before God and plead for His mercy, and for health and strength. She knelt by her chair and, in her own words:

“I had not uttered a word when the whole room seemed filled with a soft, silvery light, and my pain of disappointment and discouragement was removed. I was filled with comfort and hope—the peace of Christ.”

Then she was given a vision. Afterward she didn’t feel like sleeping. She was healed, rested.

I personally do not see her as a prophet but a major religion formed from her visions.

Then you have Joseph Smith of Mormon fame..... who said

The prophet said, "Moroni was a messenger sent from God to teach Joseph Smith about the work that God had for him to do. Moroni became one of Joseph's major tutors."

I also do not believe Joseph Smith ot be a prophet but those of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do.

An interesting read on Moroni is here.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_Moroni

John Calvin as a prophet.

There is too much to post or condense here so as time permits... read the following links

John Calvin as Sixteenth-Century Prophet​

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A book on him.... https://academic.oup.com/book/2572/chapter-abstract/142904709?redirectedFrom=fulltext&login=false
but not posted online, you would need to obtain to read all.

Abstract about the book...

This chapter builds on the findings of the previous chapter to argue that Calvin believed himself to be a prophet. It finds Calvin within a non-mystical, non-apocalyptic prophetic tradition which aligned itself with the Old Testament prophets and focused on scriptural interpretation. The chapter shows how Calvin’s self-identifying aligns him specifically and explicitly with Old, rather than New, Testament prophets. Continuing, the chapter argues that Calvin would have seen himself as possessing the same authority as Jeremiah or Ezekiel, and concludes by entertaining the idea that he may have believed himself to be infallible in matters of doctrine.

My note.... this is why I am a big John Calvin Scoffer..... this last sentence.
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THIS HOWEVER


Is a PDF that you can download and read on

John Calvin as Sixteenth-century Prophet

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LAST: https://research-information.bris.ac.uk/en/publications/john-calvin-as-sixteenth-century-prophet

Short commentary.

What is the Bible definition of a prophet?
a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration. (in the Old Testament) a person chosen to speak for God and to guide the people of Israel: Moses was the greatest of Old Testament prophets. (often initial capital letter) one of the Major or Minor Prophets.
 
Interesting......

Oh right, what does looking for Christ mean , the word?
What I mean is that all through scripture, you can see Christ. Said another way…scripture is one way or another about Him. So when I read scripture, I look for Him there. Some is very direct, some implied and some simply evidence of Him being needed inherent in the stories.
Try reading scripture this way. Christ is the Answer.
 
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All those who hold to some form of Calvinistic or Reformed Theology reject any action by God, Father, Son or Holy Spirit, in the life of the sinner before regeneration. On the other hand I believe that the Holy Spirit is active in the life of the sinner before regeneration. In some cases it may be for very long times.

Joh 16:7 Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you.
Joh 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:
Joh 16:9 concerning sin, because they do not believe in me;
Joh 16:10 concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer;

Joh 16:11 concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

Keep reading Cottrell. I don't agree with him on everything, but I think his soteriology is spot on. But I think you knew that.
Has to be so. Else no one would ever experience a guilty conscience.
 
What I mean is that all through scripture, you can see Christ. Said another way…scripture is one way or another about Him. So when I read scripture, I look for Him there. Some is very direct, some implied and some simply evidence of Him being needed inherent in the stories.
Try reading scripture this way.
Ok..I’ve never read scripture that way..I can only understand the Lord the way he teaches/ helps me to understand his word.

I see God everywhere, in creation, I see him Active in my life....I have his peace in my heart...that was a very long time coming.....I know he indwells my spirit.....it’s hard to explain, when I go out he’s with me, ....I was such an introvert mostly mute for many years, self esteem in the gutter as well as self worth.

Looking back from day one he started working in my heart and has brought me to the place I’m at today.....I have to be careful that I don’t get over confident.....I just can’t believe how far he has brought me!....Praise God...sorry that was my testimony.
 
Has to be so. Else no one would ever experience a guilty conscience.
Sis, I have experienced a guilty conscience before the Lord, only last year....it was awful....I can’t believe what I did.....I even went and rectified what I did in the early hours of the morning.....phew, the consequences of my actions don’t bear thinking about....thank God he made a way for me to rectify my wrong doing.

Boy was that one very hard lesson to learn.
 
Ok..I’ve never read scripture that way..I can only understand the Lord the way he teaches/ helps me to understand his word.

I see God everywhere, in creation, I see him Active in my life....I have his peace in my heart...that was a very long time coming.....I know he indwells my spirit.....it’s hard to explain, when I go out he’s with me, ....I was such an introvert mostly mute for many years, self esteem in the gutter as well as self worth.

Looking back from day one he started working in my heart and has brought me to the place I’m at today.....I have to be careful that I don’t get over confident.....I just can’t believe how far he has brought me!....Praise God...sorry that was my testimony.
Amen! This has been the way for all of us, sister…one way or another.
 
Go to my reply #140
Your reply 135 SAYS

JIM said:
Saving faith is the faith though which one is saved by grace (Eph 2:8). It doesn't get more biblical than that.

AND Eph 2:8 states

For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves,
it is the gift of God;

Even Jimmy's says..


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
 
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