Eve's Name

[Arial]

The 12 sons of Jacob had four mothers but Rachel is the spiritual mother of them all according to matt 2:18

In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Matt 2:18 is quoted from Jer 31:15. It is quoted again by Paul in Gal 4:27

Gal 4:22-26 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mt Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mt Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written"Rejoice O barren one------
28 Now you brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 31 So, brothers we are not children of the slave woman but of the free woman.

See what happens when one lets scripture interpret scripture? See what happens to the traditions of men when one adheres to sola scriptura and when it does not?

There is absolutely nothing about Mary being our mother in those or any other passages.

And it makes no difference that the sons of Jacob had four different mothers. Jacob was the Seed bearer, and he is the father of Judah---the Seed bearer.

 

[donadams]

Matt 2:18 is quoted from Jer 31:15. It is quoted again by Paul in Gal 4:27

Gal 4:22-26 For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by a slave woman and one by a free woman. But the son of the slave was born according to the flesh, while the son of the free woman was born through promise. Now this may be interpreted allegorically: these women are two covenants. One is from Mt Sinai, bearing children for slavery; she is Hagar. Now Hagar is Mt Sinai in Arabia; she corresponds to the present Jerusalem, for she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our mother. For it is written"Rejoice O barren one------
28 Now you brothers, like Isaac, are children of promise. 31 So, brothers we are not children of the slave woman but of the free woman.

See what happens when one lets scripture interpret scripture? See what happens to the traditions of men when one adheres to sola scriptura and when it does not?

There is absolutely nothing about Mary being our mother in those or any other passages.

And it makes no difference that the sons of Jacob had four different mothers. Jacob was the Seed bearer, and he is the father of Judah---the Seed bearer.

I was not referring to the covenants

In the old covenant Rachel was the spiritual mother

In the new covenant Mary is the spiritual mother

In the first creation eve was the mother of all the living

In the new creation in Christ Mary is the mother of all the living

Amen?

 

[Arial]

I was not referring to the covenants

In the old covenant Rachel was the spiritual mother

In the new covenant Mary is the spiritual mother

In the first creation eve was the mother of all the living

In the new creation in Christ Mary is the mother of all the living

Amen?

It is covenant whether you are referring to it or not. And they are not to separate covenants but a distinction within the one covenant. The covenant of redemption. (You should also learn the use of punctuation as you have called Mary Christ Mary without it. Freudian slip?)

What does the scripture I gave have to say about it? Not the Catholic church. If you took the Catholic church out of the equation for a second, what does the scripture say? Nothing about Mary, that's for sure. It does speak of our mother though and says it is spiritual Jerusalem.

 

[donadams]

It is covenant whether you are referring to it or not. And they are not to separate covenants but a distinction within the one covenant. The covenant of redemption. (You should also learn the use of punctuation as you have called Mary Christ Mary without it. Freudian slip?)

What does the scripture I gave have to say about it? Not the Catholic church. If you took the Catholic church out of the equation for a second, what does the scripture say? Nothing about Mary, that's for sure. It does speak of our mother though and says it is spiritual Jerusalem.

New Jerusalem is holy mother church the mew covenant yes

But Mary is our spiritual mother in the new creation “mother of all the living” who are in Christ

 

[donadams]

As I expect you will agree, God the Son is eternal. He didn't come into existence at Bethlehem. His conception and birth were Him becoming flesh, as John puts it:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

John had already said that the Word was in the beginning with God, and the Word was God. Christ's existence as God did not need Mary to give birth to Him. Not calling Mary "Mother of God" is in no way denying the divinity of Christ - He had that divinity from eternity past. Indeed, you wrote: "Mary is not the mother of the divinity, or the mother of the eternal father, or the mother of the Holy Spirit, nor the source of the divine nature." I would rather go by what God says in His Word than by what various councils have said.

You have just repeated what you wrote before about Mary being "Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit" without commenting on what I said about those things, that every Christian is a child of God the Father, and that the bible makes no mention of the Holy Spirit being married to Mary. You also repeat that Mary is "our spiritual mother," but I repeat that is not biblical.

What is the ark of the new covenant?

 

[Carbon]

What is the ark of the new covenant?

Isn’t that what Indiana Jones found?

 

[Tambora]

Isn’t that what Indiana Jones found?

Funny!

It's also funny for anyone to think being comparative to the ark is an honor when Jeremiah 3:16 says the ark will not be thought of or remembered or missed.

 

[David Lamb]

Invisible God is not a man (impossible)

The word of the Father (Let there be) created flesh as the Son of man Jesus.

Jesus as the son of man born of women was born again as a son of God like all believers.

Jesus Christ has eternally been the Son of God, fully God Himself. He didn't need to be "born again" as Son of God. As John wrote:

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.” (Joh 1:1-3 NKJV)

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

Christ was already fully divine before He took on human flesh.

Power from the father came at resurrection not earthly birth. No power is attributed to the Son .(Not as I will no power)

God is not a Jewish dying man.

Satan's goal that we would believe God is a Jewish man as King of kings

Jesus Christ was not merely a Jewish man. He is fully God and fully Man, and the bible tells us that He is indeed "King of kings":

“"These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those [who are] with Him [are] called, chosen, and faithful."” (Re 17:14 NKJV)

The context shows that "the Lamb" is Christ.

Jesus not ashamed to call us brothers' sisters and mother

The Father gives us two witnesses to those who call no man on earth Holy Father. One is our adopting Father in heaven by which we can miraculously cry out Abba /

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

True.

 

[Mr GLee]

Jesus Christ was not merely a Jewish man. He is fully God and fully Man, and the bible tells us that He is indeed "King of kings":

Thanks

I would offer.

Words meanings must be applied I would think the biggest problem is the use of the word Christ. For some reason many apply it to Jesus the Son of man and not the father who works in dying mankind. A promised outward demonstration of our Invisible God

I would offer it all depends on how the world "Christ" the one good teaching master is used .Many attribute the work of the Father to Jesus the Son of man and not Christ the husband who works in dying mankind.

Jesus the disciple of the father "demonstrated" the power of the father. Jesus the Son of man he had no power of his own

Jesus the Son man as a apostle was sent by the father with prophecy, words of the father, the same as all apostles .

When the word Jesus (savior) is coupled with Christ our husband the one good teaching master. We can understand it is Christ the father working in the dying flesh of Jesus the Son of man just as with Christians in the end. . . born again as sons of God

Mathew 1:16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Called the Christ,. . . the Son of man Jesus who demonstrated the work of the father is not Christ

One person had the idea that the Son of man Jesus was the Christ. . bowed down in worship.

Jesus the Son of man would never commit blasphemy by attributing the work of the father to his own self

Mark 10:16-18And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

In that way the Son of man, Jesus is King of kings seeing he represents demonstrates the King not seen as if he was seen . .

Jesus the Son of man never claimed to be God the Holy Father .

In that way whenever you see the word Christ the anointing teacher His Spirit works in dying flesh . Some did know the Christ who worked in the flesh of Jesus .The one time demonstration is over .

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings. Satan's plan making the dying flesh King of kings

2 Corinthian 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (son of man Jesus) no more.; Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Seems to be the pattern throughout

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

 

[David Lamb]

Thanks

I would offer.

Words meanings must be applied I would think the biggest problem is the use of the word Christ. For some reason many apply it to Jesus the Son of man and not the father who works in dying mankind. A promised outward demonstration of our Invisible God

I would offer it all depends on how the world "Christ" the one good teaching master is used .Many attribute the work of the Father to Jesus the Son of man and not Christ the husband who works in dying mankind.

But Jesus is not just "the Son of man." The bible teaches us clearly that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. Jesus Himself said:

“"I and [My] Father are one."” (Joh 10:30 NKJV)

You seem to be saying and forgive me if I have misunderstood you, that calling Jesus "Christ" is wrong. But the bible calkls Him "Jesus Christ" 177 times, and "Christ Jesus" 69 times.

Jesus the disciple of the father "demonstrated" the power of the father. Jesus the Son of man he had no power of his own

Jesus is never called a disciple in the bible. As for Him not having power, He said:

“"But that you may know that the Son of Man has power on earth to forgive sins" — then He said to the paralytic, "Arise, take up your bed, and go to your house."” (Mt 9:6 NKJV)

Jesus the Son man as a apostle was sent by the father with prophecy, words of the father, the same as all apostles .

When the word Jesus (savior) is coupled with Christ our husband the one good teaching master. We can understand it is Christ the father working in the dying flesh of Jesus the Son of man just as with Christians in the end. . . born again as sons of God

Mathew 1:16And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Called the Christ,. . . the Son of man Jesus who demonstrated the work of the father is not Christ

One person had the idea that the Son of man Jesus was the Christ. . bowed down in worship.

Jesus the Son of man would never commit blasphemy by attributing the work of the father to his own self

Mark 10:16-18And when he was gone forth into the way, there came one running, and kneeled to him, and asked him, Good Master, what shall I do that I may inherit eternal life?;And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

In that way the Son of man, Jesus is King of kings seeing he represents demonstrates the King not seen as if he was seen . .

Jesus the Son of man never claimed to be God the Holy Father .

In that way whenever you see the word Christ the anointing teacher His Spirit works in dying flesh . Some did know the Christ who worked in the flesh of Jesus .The one time demonstration is over .

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings. Satan's plan making the dying flesh King of kings

2 Corinthian 5:16 Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him (son of man Jesus) no more.; Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Seems to be the pattern throughout

Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

You seem to be saying that "Jesus" is only the Son of man, and "Christ" is a different being. But that goes against so much of biblical teaching. When the apostles told the Philippian jailer to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, they weren't telling him he had to believe in two or three different Saviours, were they? Our glorious Saviour is fully God and fully Man, one Saviour.

 

[Mr GLee]

But Jesus is not just "the Son of man." The bible teaches us clearly that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. Jesus Himself said:

“"I and [My] Father are one."” (Joh 10:30 NKJV)

You seem to be saying and forgive me if I have misunderstood you, that calling Jesus "Christ" is wrong. But the bible calkls Him "Jesus Christ" 177 times, and "Christ Jesus" 69 times.

Thanks I would agree.

I would offer, The Son of man Jesus became the born again Son of God just like all believers that have Christ in them working with them .

When he said marvel not to a sign and wonder seeker. Dying mankind must be born from above. A warning Jesus said marvel not to a sign and wonders giving the illusion of true prophecy .

No need to wonder if one has prophecy . Satan continues to add lying wonders, wonders, wonders.

Jesus Christ, God working in the son of man Jesus . Christ in him (Emanuel) Not Christ is him

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

Hebrews 2:9-11But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.;For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.;For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

The Bible calls him Jesus Christ because Christ is the one spirit with power working in the powerless .Like Peter, when Christ increased the load (7 times 70) feeling weak said increase that power or faith of Christ

Christ the husband who re-named his bride as promise in Isaiah 62 previously called Israel to Christian.

Christian literally meaning "residents of the heavenly city" prepared for his bride the church .Named after the founder and husband Christ ,

I would think a more befitting name, to name the bride of all the nations

Today many use it as if it was derogatory like Bible thumper .some believers even feel persecuted because of the word Christian

Believers can make the word Christian "Great Again" sound the Trump! lol (9 more days)

 

[David Lamb]

Thanks I would agree.

I would offer, The Son of man Jesus became the born again Son of God just like all believers that have Christ in them working with them .

Not according to the bible. Jesus Christ is one Person, fully God, and since His incarnation, fully Man. He didn't become the Son of God.

When he said marvel not to a sign and wonder seeker. Dying mankind must be born from above. A warning Jesus said marvel not to a sign and wonders giving the illusion of true prophecy .

I agree, people dead in trespasses and sins need to be born again, from above.

No need to wonder if one has prophecy . Satan continues to add lying wonders, wonders, wonders.

Jesus Christ, God working in the son of man Jesus . Christ in him (Emanuel) Not Christ is him

Immanuel, God with us was the title given to Jesus Christ:

“"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us."” (Mt 1:23 NKJV)

The Baby Mary gave birth to was Immanuel, Jesus Christ, fully God.

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.

That is true about Christians, not about Jesus Christ. Christians are sons of God by adoption. Jesus Christ is God's Son in His nature.

Hebrews 2:9-11But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.;For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.;For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

The Bible calls him Jesus Christ because Christ is the one spirit with power working in the powerless .Like Peter, when Christ increased the load (7 times 70) feeling weak said increase that power or faith of Christ

Christ the husband who re-named his bride as promise in Isaiah 62 previously called Israel to Christian.

I don't know what "previously called Israel to Christian" means. Sorry!

Christian literally meaning "residents of the heavenly city" prepared for his bride the church .Named after the founder and husband Christ ,

No, "Christian" literally means "follower of Christ."

I would think a more befitting name, to name the bride of all the nations

Today many use it as if it was derogatory like Bible thumper .some believers even feel persecuted because of the word Christian

Believers can make the word Christian "Great Again" sound the Trump! lol (9 more days)

What do you mean by "9 more days"?

 

[Mr GLee]

I was not referring to the covenants

In the old covenant Rachel was the spiritual mother

In the new covenant Mary is the spiritual mother

In the first creation eve was the mother of all the living

In the new creation in Christ Mary is the mother of all the living

Amen?

Hi Don.

Battle of the sexless mother queens ?

The word virgin would have to be defined and how it is used .

Remember Satan the god of the lust of the flesh, lust of the eye would make it all about sex He is filling the internet today .

The church the chaste virgin bride like that of Timothy

1 Corinthians 7:25; Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.

Matthew 1:18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused (not married )to Joseph, before they came together,(Marriage ) she was found with child of the Holy Ghost

All children are a gift from the lord. The power came at the ressurection. not the birth of his body of death powerless Jesu said it profits for nothing

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:
In that way no man can serve two good teaching masters as one inflible Lord . the bible sola scriptura and the cathlic bible (CCC) sacred traditions of dying fathers called patron saints (2500 and rising) in the book of the fathers law CCC

Genisi38:15 When Judah (not married spouse dead ) saw her, he thought her to be an harlot; because she had covered her face.;And he turned unto her by the way, and said, Go to, I pray thee, let me come in unto thee; (for he knew not that she was his daughter in law.) And she said, What wilt thou give me, that thou mayest come in unto me?

Rehab a prostitute another . helping understand the power of our adopting Father Abba. The Father of the fatherless

Sexual sin

Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

1 John 2:16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

The virgin of lust .No flesh it would seem no catholic foundation