Eve's Name

[David Lamb]

Christ is our salvation! Lk 2:30

True.

Mary is the mother of our salvation!

Mary was the mother of the Saviour.

Found our salvation! Lk 1:30

She found favour with God. That's what the verse says, not that she found anybody else's salvation.

Consented to our salvation! Lk 1:38

The verse says:

“Then Mary said, "Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.” (Lu 1:38 NKJV)

She agreed with what the angel had told her about bearing Jesus. That is not "consenting to our salvation."

Immaculate conception preserved from all sin by God! Gen 3:15 Lk 1:28 rev 12:1

Nowhere does the bible say that Mary was conceived immaculately. The verses you mention do not even mention Mary's conception:

“And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."” (Ge 3:15 NKJV)

“And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored [one], the Lord [is] with you; blessed [are] you among women!"” (Lu 1:28 NKJV)

“Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.” (Re 12:1 NKJV)

God provided a means salvation to men thru Mary!
Mother of our savior / salvation!

She gave birth to the Saviour.

Mother of God:
Immaculate conception:
Assumption:
Perpetual virgin are all in Luke one

No they are not. Mary is never referred to as "mother of God" in the bible, and her conception, death and "assumption", and peretual virginity are not even mentioned in the bible.

 

[donadams]

True.

Mary was the mother of the Saviour.

She found favour with God. That's what the verse says, not that she found anybody else's salvation.

The verse says:

“Then Mary said, "Behold the maidservant of the Lord! Let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.” (Lu 1:38 NKJV)

She agreed with what the angel had told her about bearing Jesus. That is not "consenting to our salvation."

Nowhere does the bible say that Mary was conceived immaculately. The verses you mention do not even mention Mary's conception:

“And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her Seed; He shall bruise your head, And you shall bruise His heel."” (Ge 3:15 NKJV)

“And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored [one], the Lord [is] with you; blessed [are] you among women!"” (Lu 1:28 NKJV)

“Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.” (Re 12:1 NKJV)

She gave birth to the Saviour.

No they are not. Mary is never referred to as "mother of God" in the bible, and her conception, death and "assumption", and peretual virginity are not even mentioned in the bible.

Lk 1:43 mother of God
Lk 1:28 assumption
Lk 1:28 perpetual virgin
Lk 1:28 & Lk 1:49 immaculate conception

Mary is the mother of Christ entire!

Noah found grace with God for the salvation of his family from the flood

Lk 1:28 Mary found the grace of eternal salvation for the whole human family!

The entire favor of God, all grace, all mercy, all the virtues and merits of Christ, all the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit!

No one else ever had a family relationship with God except Mary and she has three!

Daughter of the Father
Mother of the Son
Spouse of the Spirit

And we are Her spiritual children giving us all the good she possesses!

Thks

 

[donadams]

Biblical Principle

A good tree CANNOT bear bad fruit!
A bad tree (sinner) cannot bear good fruit! (Savior / salvation)

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

A Good tree cannot bear bad fruit!
A biblical principle approved by Jesus even though He knew it would be used to defend His sinless mother!


Cannot give enough glory to Mary!

Lk 2:32 a light to lighten the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel.

Jesus is the fruit of Mary!
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, Mary is the mother of the light of the world and if the son receives glory Mary receives glory, if the sin is holy Mary is holy!

A good tree cannot bear bad fruit!
A sinner cannot obtain our salvation!
Or bring forth a savior!

If Jesus is the fruit of Mary and the glory of Israel then so is Mary!

Mary brought forth our salvation!

A good tree must bear good fruit!

 

[donadams]

Blessing from God thru Mary!

Mary believed God! Lk 1:45
Mary humble Virgin! Isa 7:14 Lk 1:48
The “haidmaid of the Lord! Lk 1:38
(((Consecrated to God and His holy purpose)))

All graces come to us thru Mary, from God by the merits (blood) of Christ!
Jn 1:16
Of His fullness we have all received, grace for grace!

And Jesus Christ the source of all grace came thru Mary!

Found our Salvation Lk 1:30
Consented to our salvation Lk 1:38
Mother of Christ Matt 1:16
Mother of the word Jn 1:1
Mother of our savior Matt 1:21
Mother of our salvation Lk 2:30
Our mother Jn 19:26-27

By Mary’s intercession Christ is presented to be worshipped by the angels, shepherds, and the kings at the stable! Cos Mary found the grace of our salvation! Lk 1:30

Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit!

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

John sanctified in the womb!

Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!

Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

The wedding couple have wine and not shame!

Jn 2: 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The disciples are supplied with faith, hope, and charity!

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Mary found this grace! Lk 1:30
Mary believed for us! Lk 1:45
Mother of our salvation! Lk 2:30

All these blessings from God because of Mary most holy!

Mother of divine grace!

Mary is the divine treasury the Throne of grace! Heb 4:16

 

[donadams]

Scripture says: “holiness befits thy house, O Lord” (Ps 93:5). Mary was Jesus’ “house” for 9 months so if holiness befits God’s house would not Mary be holy also? Just like the Ark and the Tabernacle she was set apart and consecrated to the Lord., the holy dwelling of God.

1 cor 3:17 …..for the temple of God is holy….. Mary is the temple, house, dwelling of God, God had need of Her to become man!

Jesus was conceived pure and immaculate because Mary was pure and immaculate. As Job said “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? There is not one.” (Job 14:4).

“I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary.” Zwingli

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we Believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

Note: an article of faith is required for salvation.

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).

They also believe the immaculate conception of mary and her sinlessness, and assumption and mother of God and devotion to Her!

Amen?

 

[Mr GLee]

Scripture says: “holiness befits thy house, O Lord” (Ps 93:5). Mary was Jesus’ “house” for 9 months so if holiness befits God’s house would not Mary be holy also? Just like the Ark and the Tabernacle she was set apart and consecrated to the Lord., the holy dwelling of God.

1 cor 3:17 …..for the temple of God is holy….. Mary is the temple, house, dwelling of God, God had need of Her to become man!

Jesus was conceived pure and immaculate because Mary was pure and immaculate. As Job said “Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? There is not one.” (Job 14:4).

“I esteem immensely the Mother of God, the ever chaste, immaculate Virgin Mary.” Zwingli

Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we Believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

Note: an article of faith is required for salvation.

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).

They also believe the immaculate conception of mary and her sinlessness, and assumption and mother of God and devotion to Her!

Amen?

Hi Don

You would have to first study how the word Virgin is used in context as well as Mother

The spiritual gospel understanding must be searched out rightly dividing Christ giving us instruction how to seek his approval. He has not left us without those valuable tools .

Mary our sister in the Lord like all members of the chaste virgin bride like that of Timothy are called the mother of us all.

The surrogate womb Paul as surrogate mother suffered as he preached in pains of birth until Christ, the spiritual seed was formed in Timothy

Galatian 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Mary one of the mothers that peached the gospel seed and others watered it with the doctrines of Christ that fall like rain

The virginly has nothing to do with sex but every thing to with not married

Satan would make it about all the flesh. He has no spiritual understanding not subject to the gospel .The god of this world .Lust flesh, lust of the eye the two building block a of false pride

A great picture in a parable of the chaste virgin bride

Its the end of time Sun and mon under.

Revelation 12King James Version12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her (chaste virgin) head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, (plant the seed ) and pained to be delivered. . .Christ formed in

Two kinds of families those seen the tempol unconverted and those not seen born again spiritual .Not got wet with water it evaporated I am born again. No spiritual understanding

Why put your hope in wondering, wondering, marveling purgatory/limbo????

 

[David Lamb]

Lk 1:43 mother of God

No, Elizabeth says "mother of my Lord", referring to the Mary being the one through whom the promised Messiah would be born. Granted, the bible teaches that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man, but calling Mary the "mother of God" is at least misleading, implying that God needed a mother, and unbiblical because nowhere in Scripture is she called "mother of God."

Lk 1:28 assumption

I take it that by "assumption" you mean her supposed bodily ascension to heaven. Luke 1:28 doesn't mention that. The verse says:

“And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"” (Lu 1:28 NKJV)

Yes, she was highly favoured to be chosen as the one to give birth to the Messiah. Yes, the Lord was with her, and yes, she was blessed among (not above) women, but there is nothing in that verse, or indeed any bible verse, about how she went to heaven.

Lk 1:28 perpetual virgin

That's the same verse you quoted about assumption, and just as it says nothing about assumption, so it says nothing about her virginity, perpetual or otherwise.

Lk 1:28 & Lk 1:49 immaculate conception

Verse 28 doesn't mention her conception. Verse 49 says:

“For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy [is] His name.” (Lu 1:49 NKJV)

Again, no mention of her conception or birth.

Mary is the mother of Christ entire!

Yes, she was the mother of Jesus Christ/

Noah found grace with God for the salvation of his family from the flood

Lk 1:28 Mary found the grace of eternal salvation for the whole human family!

Noah, at God's instruction, built the ark, through which he and his family were saved from the flood. But Mary did not build the baby Jesus. Indeed, Hebrews tells us that God prepared the Saviour's body:

“Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.” (Heb 10:5 NKJV)

The entire favor of God, all grace, all mercy, all the virtues and merits of Christ, all the gifts and fruits of the Holy Spirit!

No one else ever had a family relationship with God except Mary and she has three!

Daughter of the Father
Mother of the Son
Spouse of the Spirit

And we are Her spiritual children giving us all the good she possesses!

No, according to the bible, every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is a son or daughter of God. Paul wrote to the Christians in Galatia:

“For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.” (Ga 3:26 NKJV)

Mary was the mother of Jesus, I agree.

The bible nowhere says that Mary was the spouse of the Holy Spirit. That's reading too much into the words of the angel that she would conceive by the action of the Holy Spirit upon her. Nor does the bible teach that any human being can give goodness to another, or that we we are spiritual children of Mary.

Thks

 

[donadams]

No, Elizabeth says "mother of my Lord", referring to the Mary being the one through whom the promised Messiah would be born. Granted, the bible teaches that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man, but calling Mary the "mother of God" is at least misleading, implying that God needed a mother, and unbiblical because nowhere in Scripture is she called "mother of God."

I take it that by "assumption" you mean her supposed bodily ascension to heaven. Luke 1:28 doesn't mention that. The verse says:

“And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"” (Lu 1:28 NKJV)

Yes, she was highly favoured to be chosen as the one to give birth to the Messiah. Yes, the Lord was with her, and yes, she was blessed among (not above) women, but there is nothing in that verse, or indeed any bible verse, about how she went to heaven.


That's the same verse you quoted about assumption, and just as it says nothing about assumption, so it says nothing about her virginity, perpetual or otherwise.

Verse 28 doesn't mention her conception. Verse 49 says:

“For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy [is] His name.” (Lu 1:49 NKJV)

Again, no mention of her conception or birth.

Yes, she was the mother of Jesus Christ/

Noah, at God's instruction, built the ark, through which he and his family were saved from the flood. But Mary did not build the baby Jesus. Indeed, Hebrews tells us that God prepared the Saviour's body:

“Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.” (Heb 10:5 NKJV)

No, according to the bible, every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is a son or daughter of God. Paul wrote to the Christians in Galatia:

“For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.” (Ga 3:26 NKJV)

Mary was the mother of Jesus, I agree.

The bible nowhere says that Mary was the spouse of the Holy Spirit. That's reading too much into the words of the angel that she would conceive by the action of the Holy Spirit upon her. Nor does the bible teach that any human being can give goodness to another, or that we we are spiritual children of Mary.

Apostolic Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

(with authority from Christ to bind the faith of all Christians. Matt 16:19 & 18:18) in union with Christ (matt 28:20 Jn 15:5)

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Theotokos: God bearer!

Mother of God!

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Mary is not the mother of the divinity, or the mother of the eternal father, or the mother of the Holy Spirit, nor the source of the divine nature.

Mary is the mother of God, cos Jesus Christ is God and Mary is His mother, not the mother of His body but the mother of His entire person.


"She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God." Martin Luther

"Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord, because the unity of the person in the two natures of Christ was such that she could have said that the mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary was at the same time the eternal God." John Calvin


Mother of God!

Jesus is a divine person who became man, and not a human person, that is why Mary is truly the “mother of God” Jesus is God, Mary is His mother, so she is the mother of God not to be confused with “source”, she is not the source of God or the mother of the divine nature, or the mother of the eternal Father, nor the mother of the spirit!

But mother of the Son who is God.

Only one person had ever had a family relationship with God, except Mary; and she has three!

Daughter of the Father
Mother of the Son
Spouse of the Holy Spirit

And Jesus being our spiritual brother Mary is our spiritual mother!

God has no mother:
God is uncreated and eternal!

God the son does have a mother!
Mary is the mother of God!

It does not mean that Mary is the mother or source of the divine nature of God, or the mother of the father or the mother of the spirit.

it is a relationship between mother and child, Mary and Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God;
Mary is His mother;
Mary is the mother of God to deny this is to deny the divinity of Christ and scripture. Lk 1:43

Thks

 

[Mr GLee]

John sanctified in the womb!

Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!

Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying

Hi Don.

It important we seek out the spiritual, unseen by human eye, understanding of faith (Christ power) .

Satan the god of the dying world takes away all the spiritual value and makes it about the things seen the temporal dying He declared "I will give all the kingdoms and the glory. . . . If? He has not faith power to understand the spiritual. Satan not subject to the gospel

No man can serve two writen authorities as coming from one lord .Which one today ?Sola Scriptura . . .Or a law of the legion of fathers (I heard it though a legion of father grape vine)

Protestant Bible or the Catholic book of law (CCC)Sacred devine oral traditions of dying mankind

Catholic book of law 80:40-41 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same (dying mankind) divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own "always, to the close of the age"

Devine dying mankind .????????????????

Timothy the chaste virgin espoused in marriage to Chrsit our husband , Paul the preaching of the surrogate womb who suffered in pains of birth till Christ the husbands born again seed was formed in Timothy , a member of the chaste virgin bride . Virgin meaning not married a widow .

Sexual sin another doctrine why give it over the father of lies the power of sin . . the lust of the flesh, drawing to the lust of the eye .and eating

His goal to make it about sex and not a unmarried virgin

Its no mystery. The bride of Christ is the mother of all born again from above . Mary our sister in the Lord one of the whole bride

Galatians 4:19-26 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you,I desire to be present with you now, and to change my voice; for I stand in doubt of you.Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law?For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.;For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. ;But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Don are you a member of the chaste virgin bride today????????.

Many mothers on discussion board . . good ones.

A person can start with the milk of the word it teaches he is gracious. He promises if he began the good teaching work in us he to continue his teaching work till we take our last breath . No need for suffering wonder sufferings wondering in Limbo or purgatory

 

[donadams]

No, Elizabeth says "mother of my Lord", referring to the Mary being the one through whom the promised Messiah would be born. Granted, the bible teaches that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man, but calling Mary the "mother of God" is at least misleading, implying that God needed a mother, and unbiblical because nowhere in Scripture is she called "mother of God."

I take it that by "assumption" you mean her supposed bodily ascension to heaven. Luke 1:28 doesn't mention that. The verse says:

“And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"” (Lu 1:28 NKJV)

Yes, she was highly favoured to be chosen as the one to give birth to the Messiah. Yes, the Lord was with her, and yes, she was blessed among (not above) women, but there is nothing in that verse, or indeed any bible verse, about how she went to heaven.


That's the same verse you quoted about assumption, and just as it says nothing about assumption, so it says nothing about her virginity, perpetual or otherwise.

Verse 28 doesn't mention her conception. Verse 49 says:

“For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy [is] His name.” (Lu 1:49 NKJV)

Again, no mention of her conception or birth.

Yes, she was the mother of Jesus Christ/

Noah, at God's instruction, built the ark, through which he and his family were saved from the flood. But Mary did not build the baby Jesus. Indeed, Hebrews tells us that God prepared the Saviour's body:

“Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.” (Heb 10:5 NKJV)

No, according to the bible, every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is a son or daughter of God. Paul wrote to the Christians in Galatia:

“For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.” (Ga 3:26 NKJV)

Mary was the mother of Jesus, I agree.

The bible nowhere says that Mary was the spouse of the Holy Spirit. That's reading too much into the words of the angel that she would conceive by the action of the Holy Spirit upon her. Nor does the bible teach that any human being can give goodness to another, or that we we are spiritual children of Mary.

Assumption of Mary body and soul
Lk 1:28 the Lord is with thee, the Lord is in heaven at the right hand of the Father, Mary must there too!
Also rev 12:1

 

[donadams]

Lk 1:28 “full of grace”
Lk 1:49 things plural
Immaculate conception of mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus by the Holy Spirit!
Thks

 

[donadams]

No, Elizabeth says "mother of my Lord", referring to the Mary being the one through whom the promised Messiah would be born. Granted, the bible teaches that Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man, but calling Mary the "mother of God" is at least misleading, implying that God needed a mother, and unbiblical because nowhere in Scripture is she called "mother of God."

I take it that by "assumption" you mean her supposed bodily ascension to heaven. Luke 1:28 doesn't mention that. The verse says:

“And having come in, the angel said to her, "Rejoice, highly favored one, the Lord is with you; blessed are you among women!"” (Lu 1:28 NKJV)

Yes, she was highly favoured to be chosen as the one to give birth to the Messiah. Yes, the Lord was with her, and yes, she was blessed among (not above) women, but there is nothing in that verse, or indeed any bible verse, about how she went to heaven.


That's the same verse you quoted about assumption, and just as it says nothing about assumption, so it says nothing about her virginity, perpetual or otherwise.

Verse 28 doesn't mention her conception. Verse 49 says:

“For He who is mighty has done great things for me, And holy [is] His name.” (Lu 1:49 NKJV)

Again, no mention of her conception or birth.

Yes, she was the mother of Jesus Christ/

Noah, at God's instruction, built the ark, through which he and his family were saved from the flood. But Mary did not build the baby Jesus. Indeed, Hebrews tells us that God prepared the Saviour's body:

“Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.” (Heb 10:5 NKJV)

No, according to the bible, every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is a son or daughter of God. Paul wrote to the Christians in Galatia:

“For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.” (Ga 3:26 NKJV)

Mary was the mother of Jesus, I agree.

The bible nowhere says that Mary was the spouse of the Holy Spirit. That's reading too much into the words of the angel that she would conceive by the action of the Holy Spirit upon her. Nor does the bible teach that any human being can give goodness to another, or that we we are spiritual children of Mary.

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is not making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples, He is declaring it, And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

 

[Mr GLee]

Apostolic Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

Hi Don

Apostolic what's that? Is it a word found in the Bible ?

As private interpretation's of dying men ? Every man has a personal commentary an opinion of what they think the Lord is teaching .

Sola scriptura infallibly informs those yoked with Christ .He moved the apostles sent messengers, UPS, Western Union , Pony Express, Amazon

My wives favored errand boy as a apostle Mr. GLee. Make the word Apostle great again sound the Trump Donald not the oral traditons of dying mankind called fathers .

Catholicism violated the law not to add new meaning to one word .Adding new meaning making the old original understanding without effect .

Highly venerable dying ones that lord it over the faith of the non-venerable pew warmers .that clearly does not define aprle

2 Peter 1:19-21;We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:;Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.;(interpretation of the apostles)For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of manapostles) but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

God moved the apostles (sent messengers) Not the apostles moved God our invisible Holy Father. Holy See our husband Christ .

 

[Mr GLee]

Lk 1:28 “full of grace”
Lk 1:49 things plural
Immaculate conception of mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus by the Holy Spirit!
Thks

Full of grace, the key to understanding the true church . Catholicism attributes the fullness or complete price of salivation to the same queen mother of the Pharisee and Sadducees with a different name .Named after our blessed sister in the Lord Mary . Battle of the Queen.

Same principle deny sola scriptura and do whatsoever their own moth comes up with. . his and hers gods as patron saints

Jeremiah 44:16-18As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee. ;But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.;But since we left off to burn incense to the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, we have wanted all things, and have been consumed by the sword and by the famine.

Teaching she alone received the whole cost of salvation the rest of world a unknown remnant of Grace with no salvation in sight Its limbo time for the younger sinner and Purgatory for the more mature sinner . the wondering, wondering marveling doctrine. . rather than prophecy (sola scriptura) no need to wonder.

2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

Super busy today. . the power of gender confusion or wondering.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, (Just Mary alone) and bring upon themselves swift destruction. Limbo and purgatory wonder wonder wonder. . .

 

[David Lamb]

Apostolic Council Of Ephesus – 431 A.D.

(with authority from Christ to bind the faith of all Christians. Matt 16:19 & 18:18) in union with Christ (matt 28:20 Jn 15:5)

If anyone does not confess that Emmanuel is God in truth, and therefore that the holy virgin is the mother of God (for she bore in a fleshly way the Word of God become flesh) let him be anathema.

Theotokos: God bearer!

Mother of God!

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Mary is not the mother of the divinity, or the mother of the eternal father, or the mother of the Holy Spirit, nor the source of the divine nature.

Mary is the mother of God, cos Jesus Christ is God and Mary is His mother, not the mother of His body but the mother of His entire person.


"She is rightly called not only the mother of the man, but also the Mother of God ... It is certain that Mary is the Mother of the real and true God." Martin Luther

"Elizabeth called Mary Mother of the Lord, because the unity of the person in the two natures of Christ was such that she could have said that the mortal man engendered in the womb of Mary was at the same time the eternal God." John Calvin


Mother of God!

Jesus is a divine person who became man, and not a human person, that is why Mary is truly the “mother of God” Jesus is God, Mary is His mother, so she is the mother of God not to be confused with “source”, she is not the source of God or the mother of the divine nature, or the mother of the eternal Father, nor the mother of the spirit!

But mother of the Son who is God.

Daughter of the Father
Mother of the Son
Spouse of the Holy Spirit


And Jesus being our spiritual brother Mary is our spiritual mother!

God has no mother:
God is uncreated and eternal!

God the son does have a mother!
Mary is the mother of God!

It does not mean that Mary is the mother or source of the divine nature of God, or the mother of the father or the mother of the spirit.

it is a relationship between mother and child, Mary and Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is God;
Mary is His mother;
Mary is the mother of God to deny this is to deny the divinity of Christ and scripture. Lk 1:43

Thks

As I expect you will agree, God the Son is eternal. He didn't come into existence at Bethlehem. His conception and birth were Him becoming flesh, as John puts it:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

John had already said that the Word was in the beginning with God, and the Word was God. Christ's existence as God did not need Mary to give birth to Him. Not calling Mary "Mother of God" is in no way denying the divinity of Christ - He had that divinity from eternity past. Indeed, you wrote: "Mary is not the mother of the divinity, or the mother of the eternal father, or the mother of the Holy Spirit, nor the source of the divine nature." I would rather go by what God says in His Word than by what various councils have said.

You have just repeated what you wrote before about Mary being "Daughter of the Father, Mother of the Son, Spouse of the Holy Spirit" without commenting on what I said about those things, that every Christian is a child of God the Father, and that the bible makes no mention of the Holy Spirit being married to Mary. You also repeat that Mary is "our spiritual mother," but I repeat that is not biblical.

 

[Mr GLee]

As I expect you will agree, God the Son is eternal. He didn't come into existence at Bethlehem. His conception and birth were Him becoming flesh, as John puts it:

Invisible God is not a man (impossible)

The word of the Father (Let there be) created flesh as the Son of man Jesus.

Jesus as the son of man born of women was born again as a son of God like all believers.

Power from the father came at resurrection not earthly birth. No power is attributed to the Son .(Not as I will no power)

God is not a Jewish dying man.

Satan's goal that we would believe God is a Jewish man as King of kings

Jesus not ashamed to call us brothers' sisters and mother

The Father gives us two witnesses to those who call no man on earth Holy Father. One is our adopting Father in heaven by which we can miraculously cry out Abba /

Matthew 12:50For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Mark 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[donadams]

We are spiritual children of God not biological

Mary is the mother of God biologically

Why did the children of Israel (old covenant) have a spiritual mother and we don’t (new covenant) that’s inconsistent

Thks

 

[Arial]

We are spiritual children of God not biological

Mary is the mother of God biologically

Why did the children of Israel (old covenant) have a spiritual mother and we don’t (new covenant) that’s inconsistent

Thks

We do and in that context it was Sarah, not Hagar, and not Mary. Sarah gave birth to Isaac, who married Rebekah who gave birth to Jacob etc.

 

[donadams]

We do and in that context it was Sarah, not Hagar, and not Mary. Sarah gave birth to Isaac, who married Rebekah who gave birth to Jacob etc.

The 12 sons of Jacob had four mothers but Rachel is the spiritual mother of them all according to matt 2:18

In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Mary spiritual mother in the new covenant! Jn 19:26-27 & rev 12:17

Eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation Mary mother of the living in Christ in the new creation

If we are born again it is of Mary who gave birth to the body of Christ!

Thks

 

[Mr GLee]

Mary spiritual mother in the new covenant! Jn 19:26-27 & rev 12:17

Hi Don

Do you even read the Bible?

Virginity speaks of the widows, unmarried.

Satan who has no spiritual understanding iis not subject to the gospel as his own power will always make it about the lust of the flesh drawing to lust of the eye He is the god of the dying world

Gone hog wild today the internet it can take away the shame

Paul the spiritual mother in pain of birth preaching the gospel seed until Timothy the chase virgin bride was formed by Christ (not by the Pope.)

2 Corinthians 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.

Galatians 4:19My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you

Revelation 12:2And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

It would seem you have the wrong kind of religion.

The religion that God puts his good seal of approval on is to care for the virgins as widows (not married) as we all were anf flor the fatherless no heavenly father which we were before and keep on preaching

James1:27Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world

The church the household of faith. . .Faith the unseen power of Christ

Galatians 6:10 As we have therefore opportunity, let us do good unto all men, especially unto them who are of the household of faith

Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Beautifull gospel parable