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Disturbing A.I. chats

Why would a demon BOTHER to use AI?
What could it accomplish by inhabiting an inanimate object that could not be accomplished more effectively directly?
 
The prediction made in the bible as well as the current level of technology.
The Bible's predictions are never speculative. Neither are the Bible's predictions fodder for speculation. They are elements of divine revelation and divine revelation is, by definition, revealed to be understood. Where something is correctly understood it ceases to be a matter of speculation. Which is why every modern futurist op of speculation is an inherent and implicit example of a lack of understanding...... for which the modern futurists have never been correct or accountable. The radio dial should be turned to another station the minute any preacher starts to speculation how a prediction might occur because s/he's engaging in a practice that has had a 100% fail rate for the last 200 years.
 
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Why would a demon BOTHER to use AI?
What could it accomplish by inhabiting an inanimate object that could not be accomplished more effectively directly?
rotflmbo! Oh, man. My sides hurt. Right on.
 
There's a lot of superstition in modern futurism. Much of this thread appears to have been influenced by the sci-fi channel, not the Bible, and the holding of those beliefs proves to be impenetrable.
Qanon-ish
 
Right, no doubt he could even though we don't know for certain AI will be the image he will use.
Frankly, the question, while perhaps intriguing, is irrelevant to growing in Christ and knowing God. Further, it is a superstitious pursuit. Fun speculation. Sci-fi stuff.
We know for certain that the dragon has the ability (for whatever reason) to give one beast the power to bring an image of another beast to life, for the Bible tells us so.
We haven't even established exactly what happened with the Serpent in the Garden. We don't know much about these riddles. But we DO know that nothing the Devil does is apart from God's purposes concerning him. When we indulge in questions of what the Devil can do, are we talking about what the Devil is likely to do? Is that done apart from God's use of him? Or are we going sci-fi, to separate what he can do from what God is doing by him?
 
The Bible's predictions are never speculative. Neither are the Bible's predictions fodder for speculation. They are elements of divine revelation and divine revelation is, by definition, revealed to be understood.
Just what did you say the mark of Rev 13 was? Please...show proof and NO speculation.
Where something is correctly understood it ceases to be a matter of speculation. Which is why every modern futurist op of speculation is an inherent and implicit example of a lack of understanding......

By the way there is nothing wrong with speculation.
for which the modern futurists have never been correct or accountable. The radio dial should be turned to another station the minute any preacher starts to speculation how a prediction might occur because s/he's engaging in a practice that has had a 100% fail rate for the last 200 years.
Not true.
 
Just what did you say the mark of Rev 13 was? Please...show proof and NO speculation.
The Law and the sacrificial system.

Exodus 13:9-16
And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the LORD may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the LORD brought you out of Egypt. So it shall serve as a sign on your hand and as phylacteries on your forehead, for with a powerful hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt."

Deuteronomy 6:6-8
These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. "You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. "You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead.

Deuteronomy 11:18
You shall therefore impress these words of mine on your heart and on your soul; and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontals on your forehead.

That is what the first century reader would have immediately thought of when reading any mention of hand and forehead.
By the way there is nothing wrong with speculation.
Was that part about the 100% fail rate read? Speculation that is ALWAYS wrong does have something wrong with it. The Bible explicitly states foolish speculation should be avoided.

2 Timothy 2:23
But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.

Romans 1:21
For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Modern futurism has a 100% fail rate when it comes to their prognostications.

Jeremiah 23:30-32
Therefore,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who steal from one another words supposedly from me. Yes,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare, ‘The Lord declares.' Indeed, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” declares the Lord. “They tell them and lead my people astray with their reckless lies, yet I did not send or appoint them. They do not benefit these people in the least,” declares the Lord."


There's a fairly large swath of western Christendom that does this despite the uniform failed history and the inherent departure from historical, orthodox Christian thought, doctrine, and belief. Anyone who's read that Jeremiah text (and many others like it found in scripture) instantly knows that those preachers/teachers are disobedient.
Not true.
Yes, true. They have made Christians into people who avoid discussing the speculative beliefs, ignore scripture, and who posts like Post 106, not seeing the problem with it. This thread proved it! The questions I asked were avoided like the plague and avoidance, rancor and obfuscation were the response.
 
The Law and the sacrificial system.

Exodus 13:9-16
And it shall serve as a sign to you on your hand, and as a reminder on your forehead, that the law of the LORD may be in your mouth; for with a powerful hand the LORD brought you out of Egypt. So it shall serve as a sign on your hand and as phylacteries on your forehead, for with a powerful hand the LORD brought us out of Egypt."

Deuteronomy 6:6-8
These words, which I am commanding you today, shall be on your heart. "You shall teach them diligently to your sons and shall talk of them when you sit in your house and when you walk by the way and when you lie down and when you rise up. "You shall bind them as a sign on your hand and they shall be as frontals on your forehead.

Deuteronomy 11:18
You shall therefore impress these words of mine on your heart and on your soul; and you shall bind them as a sign on your hand, and they shall be as frontals on your forehead.

That is what the first century reader would have immediately thought of when reading any mention of hand and forehead.

Was that part about the 100% fail rate read? Speculation that is ALWAYS wrong does have something wrong with it. The Bible explicitly states foolish speculation should be avoided.

2 Timothy 2:23
But refuse foolish and ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels.

Romans 1:21
For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Modern futurism has a 100% fail rate when it comes to their prognostications.

Jeremiah 23:30-32
Therefore,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who steal from one another words supposedly from me. Yes,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare, ‘The Lord declares.' Indeed, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” declares the Lord. “They tell them and lead my people astray with their reckless lies, yet I did not send or appoint them. They do not benefit these people in the least,” declares the Lord."


There's a fairly large swath of western Christendom that does this despite the uniform failed history and the inherent departure from historical, orthodox Christian thought, doctrine, and belief. Anyone who's read that Jeremiah text (and many others like it found in scripture) instantly knows that those preachers/teachers are disobedient.

Yes, true. They have made Christians into people who avoid discussing the speculative beliefs, ignore scripture, and who posts like Post 106, not seeing the problem with it. This thread proved it! The questions I asked were avoided like the plague and avoidance, rancor and obfuscation were the response.
Face Palm....wow, you think just because you find a verse in the bible that speaks of a sign or mentions speculation it's the same thing?

The Mark allows one to buy or not buy. To sell. Now, just what could that be? An Ash Wed smudge? Nah, that won't do much.

To prevent buying and selling it has to be a bit more than you present. The gap between speculation and reality is closing. If you can't see the framework being established right before your eyes...well, that's your problem.

It seems as if the western christians futurist have the right idea. Like Jesus spoke of reading the weather...they have read Revelation and know the season. Funny thing is Revelation won't be future pretty soon. But, I digress.
We christians have been instructed not to be deceived. Look up, your redemption draws near.

At one time the speculators around the last turn of the century...1900ish...said Israel would become a nation again. They were laughed at by people like you. Guess what? 1948 happened. The fig tree budded. Now you need to find a way to disprove that Israels wasn't prophesied to become a nation again.
 
Face Palm....wow, you think just because you find a verse in the bible that speaks of a sign or mentions speculation it's the same thing?

The Mark allows one to buy or not buy. To sell. Now, just what could that be? An Ash Wed smudge? Nah, that won't do much.

To prevent buying and selling it has to be a bit more than you present. The gap between speculation and reality is closing. If you can't see the framework being established right before your eyes...well, that's your problem.

It seems as if the western christians futurist have the right idea. Like Jesus spoke of reading the weather...they have read Revelation and know the season. Funny thing is Revelation won't be future pretty soon. But, I digress.
We christians have been instructed not to be deceived. Look up, your redemption draws near.

At one time the speculators around the last turn of the century...1900ish...said Israel would become a nation again. They were laughed at by people like you. Guess what? 1948 happened. The fig tree budded. Now you need to find a way to disprove that Israels wasn't prophesied to become a nation again.
Qanon isn't wrong about every detail. You are looking on the surface, in my opinion. There has been more political intrigue and deceiving than we can know of in the last couple hundred years. Not all that is of Israel, is Israel.
 
Face Palm....wow, you think just because you find a verse in the bible that speaks of a sign or mentions speculation it's the same thing?

The Mark allows one to buy or not buy. To sell. Now, just what could that be? An Ash Wed smudge? Nah, that won't do much.

To prevent buying and selling it has to be a bit more than you present. The gap between speculation and reality is closing. If you can't see the framework being established right before your eyes...well, that's your problem.

It seems as if the western christians futurist have the right idea. Like Jesus spoke of reading the weather...they have read Revelation and know the season. Funny thing is Revelation won't be future pretty soon. But, I digress.
We christians have been instructed not to be deceived. Look up, your redemption draws near.

At one time the speculators around the last turn of the century...1900ish...said Israel would become a nation again. They were laughed at by people like you. Guess what? 1948 happened. The fig tree budded. Now you need to find a way to disprove that Israels wasn't prophesied to become a nation again.
No, that is not just what I think, and the attempted troll does not work on me. I was asked a question, and I immediately answered it. I answered it with scripture, well-rendered relevant scripture. I did not avoid answering the question, attempt to obfuscate in any way or disrespect you in any way. I won't have to be asked the same question over and over and over and over. The attempted onus-shifting straw man of Post #109 proves one of the points being made in Posts 102 and 109: It is impossible to have an intelligent conversation about the modern futurists' views because they obfuscate, employ fallacy, and disrespect others almost as often as they erroneous speculate and prognosticate.


Btw, modern Israel is not a fulfillment of prophecy. It's a red herring in this thread, and only modern futurists think that is relevant to Christian eschatology. You have just done exactly as I posted: rancor, obfuscation, fallacy, and avoidance. Your posts in other threads were used as examples of problems inherent in Dispensationalism and despite the proof the problems persist. The minute anyone speculates AI might be the image of the beast it is completely appropriate for every single one of us to open our Bible and read the beast-relevant text, examine it, and appraise the claim using a well-reasoned analysis of the text of scripture. I tried that. Not a single question I asked was answered when asked. I won't be dragged off topic to discuss Israel in an up about AI. That is what you do, not me.


The thread proved it is impossible to have an intelligent conversation about the modern futurists' views because they obfuscate, employ fallacy, and disrespect others almost as often as they erroneous speculate and prognosticate.
 
Qanon isn't wrong about every detail. You are looking on the surface, in my opinion. There has been more political intrigue and deceiving than we can know of in the last couple hundred years. Not all that is of Israel, is Israel.
If I were sitting across from you at a table I would say....what are you talking about? I'm not following you.
 
Btw, modern Israel is not a fulfillment of prophecy.
The Jews were scattered...God said they would return...they did. You aren't making much sense.

If they weren't scattered then returned.....what happened?
 
makesends said:
Qanon isn't wrong about every detail. You are looking on the surface, in my opinion. There has been more political intrigue and deceiving than we can know of in the last couple hundred years. Not all that is of Israel, is Israel.
If I were sitting across from you at a table I would say....what are you talking about? I'm not following you.
I was using, "Not all that is of Israel is Israel" as another play of words beyond the first use we make of it in soteriology and eschatology, in a "for example" of those conspiracy theory enthusiasts sometimes being part-right. There appears to be substance to believe, for example, that many of the current occupiers of the Land of Israel, who claim to be Jews, are not. And I can see the reasoning behind thinking this. (But I'm not saying I agree.)

The United States is not the "Land of the Free" that it once was.
 
Why would a demon BOTHER to use AI?
What could it accomplish by inhabiting an inanimate object that could not be accomplished more effectively directly?
Scripture tells us that objects were used for demonic purposes.

Exodus 7
(11) Then Pharaoh summoned the wise men and the sorcerers, and they, the magicians of Egypt, also did the same by their secret arts.
(12) For each man cast down his staff, and they became serpents. But Aaron's staff swallowed up their staffs.

Nothing said about "inhabiting" those inanimate objects, but just that some sort of demonic manipulation occurred (perhaps by occultic spells).
It's a mystery to us as to how exactly it happened that those sticks came to life as serpents, but we know they did somehow.

So why should we doubt that objects can be manipulated by demonic forces?
 
The Jews were scattered...God said they would return...they did. You aren't making much sense.

If they weren't scattered then returned.....what happened?
Does "return" necessarily mean they returned and stayed?
Many Jews from all over the world returned at Pentecost, heard the gospel and returned to world to spread that good news, which is what Israel was supposed to do.

Mar 16:15-18​
(15) And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.​
(16) Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.​
(17) And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;​
(18) they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”​

So they were not supposed to stay in Israel.
At Pentecost Jews from everywhere returned, tongues were spoken, and the gospel went to the world.
And it was said to be a fulfillment of Joel.
 
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The Jews were scattered...God said they would return...they did. You aren't making much sense.

If they weren't scattered then returned.....what happened?

It would appear still scattered. just as planned.

I am not seeing men going around today taking DNA samples. The genealogy of the second born seed (Christ) ended at the birth of the Son of man Jesus.

The loving commandment is to walk by faith the unseen eternal things of God

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus

Some were under the illusion an outward Jew DNA card was all that was needed for entering fellowship with the Christian Bride the church.

.Romans 2:28-For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; (death) whose praise is not of men, but of God

They were hoping their dying flesh could profit as if it was the spiritual born again seed (Christ) not seen . . . .a inward born again Jew.
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Revelation 2: I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 
makesends said:
Qanon isn't wrong about every detail. You are looking on the surface, in my opinion. There has been more political intrigue and deceiving than we can know of in the last couple hundred years. Not all that is of Israel, is Israel.
True, some of Israel is Kabbalist while some are Zionist.
I was using, "Not all that is of Israel is Israel"
Rev 3 tells us....9 Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan who say that they are Jews and are not,
as another play of words beyond the first use we make of it in soteriology and eschatology, in a "for example" of those conspiracy theory enthusiasts sometimes being part-right. There appears to be substance to believe, for example, that many of the current occupiers of the Land of Israel, who claim to be Jews, are not. And I can see the reasoning behind thinking this. (But I'm not saying I agree.)
The purpose of Israel becoming a nation for some is to rebuild the 3rd Temple.....ushering in their Messiah.

2 Thes 2:3 For that day will not come, unless the departure comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God. Who using A.I. in part will set up the beast system
The United States is not the "Land of the Free" that it once was.
That is also true. Yet, there is still a lot of freedom.
 
Does "return" necessarily mean they returned and stayed?
Concerning 1948....yes.
Many Jews from all over the world returned at Pentecost, heard the gospel and returned to world to spread that good news, which is what Israel was supposed to do.

Mar 16:15-18​
(15) And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.​
(16) Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.​
(17) And these signs will accompany those who believe: in my name they will cast out demons; they will speak in new tongues;​
(18) they will pick up serpents with their hands; and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay their hands on the sick, and they will recover.”​

So they were not supposed to stay in Israel.
At Pentecost Jews from everywhere returned, tongues were spoken, and the gospel went to the world.
And it was said to be a fulfillment of Joel.
At that time Israel was still a nation. Rome then renamed it Palestine after they were sacked in 70 AD.
 
True, some of Israel is Kabbalist while some are Zionist.
Some are born again other are not and remain after Jacob the deceiver .


The father re-named her Christian after her husband Christ. . a more befitting name to name the bride of all the nations

How can we tell the difference between Jacob and born-again Isreal? DNA?
 
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