Did Jesus teach TULIP?

[Arial]

We must believe and obey both Christ and the church He founded on the apostles (Matt 16:18-19) to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

(Not scripture alone)
Sacred Scripture according to the churches cannon and interpretation? Yes!
Scripture alone? No!

Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things by, by whom also he made the worlds;

“Not by scripture alone”!

That’s the nail in the coffin of “Sola scriptura” it is dead and buried, “false doctrine” the doctrine of demons like all the sola’s!


For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Jn 1:17

Jesus Christ is the way, the truth, and the life! Jn 14:6

And this extends to His apostolic church, Christ and His church are one and inseparable! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 eph 5:32 acts 2:42

Jesus Christ is the Light of the world! Jn 8:12
Apostolic church the light of the world! Matt 5:14

Must Hear Jesus Christ! Matt 17:5
Acts 3:23
Must Hear the apostolic church! Matt 18:17 1 Jn 4:6

Authority of Jesus Christ! Matt 28:17
Authority of the apostles! Jn 20:21

Jesus Christ has Reconciliation!
2 cor 5:19
Apostles have ministry of Reconciliation! 2 cor 5:18

Jesus Christ have power to forgive mens sins! Lk 5:20 Jn
Apostles have power to forgive mens sins! Jn 20:23

Jesus Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6
The apostolic church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:16

For the apostolic authority in Holy church decided and decreed (bound on earth / bound in heaven) the canon of Scripture, and is the only authentic interpreter of scripture!

The Christian faith is revealed by Christ!

Jesus Christ before ascending to heaven gave His apostles the fullness of truth, the apostolic church our mother and teacher is commanded by Him to teach and to sanctify with her sacraments (the promise of the spirit) all men unto eternal salvation! We are commanded to believe and obey! Matt 28:19

How can the Protestant concept: “sacred scripture is the only infallible source of truth” be true? There must be some infallible source that must tell us what is the canon of scripture & has authority to interpret scripture!

It is impossible to reject the church or her teaching without rejecting Christ who founded the church and revealed her teaching!

You cannot reject the kingdom established by the king and say I obey and submit to the king!

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church to teach and sanctify (baptize) all men unto eternal salvation! (Matt 28:19)

Christ and His church are one!
((Inseparable unity))
Acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 eph 5:32 Isa 53:5 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

Only Christ has authority to establish the church! Matt 16:18-19
One church! Jn 10:16 All others are sects “full of errors” “the tradition of men”! The new covenant Church is the eternal city of God! Household of faith! The pillar and ground of TRUTH! 1 Tim 3:15 Founded by Christ alone! Matt 16:18 on Peter and the apostles! Eph 2:20 Lk 22:29

The 30,000 sects (the tradition of men) having no authority at all! And holding and teaching contrary and new doctrines that oppose the Christian faith that was revealed by Christ and taught by holy mother church! Matt 28:19 acts 16:17


The church was founded and existed and exercised authority in teaching, governance, and sanctifying souls before the New Testament was written!

The church does not require the scriptures to know the truth!

The church wrote the scripture!

The church was taught by Christ in person for three years!

And commanded by Christ to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation! Matt 28:19

For 30 plus years before the apostles wrote scripture
By the inspiration of the Holy Ghost they taught and preached and settle matters of doctrine!

Acts 8:12 & 25 & 35
Acts 13:5
1 pet 1:25

I am deleting this post and every post that is not OP relevant. Stop trolling and failing to ever address the question in this OP.

 

[Arial]

You continually deny Jesus' word.

Jesus says His Father is God.

You say God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit.

that is three Gods.

Stop trolling and disrupting every thread to suit your own purposes.

 

[Arial]

I am not trolling.

You guys are the trolling ones who are only playing debate to avoid what is the most essential in Christ's church.

I am only pointing out what you are hiding behind debating games.

What is the title of this thread?!

 

[grace2]

What is the title of this thread?!

what is the purpose of this thread?????????????

 

[Arial]

what is the purpose of this thread?????????????

To discover if Jesus taught TULIP. Just like the OP title asks. Do you know what the doctrines in TULIP are?

 

[grace2]

To discover if Jesus taught TULIP. Just like the OP title asks. Do you know what the doctrines in TULIP are?

So it is another one of those debating games.

And it is another trinitarian thingy.

I am not interested.

 

[Arial]

So it is another one of those debating games.

And it is another trinitarian thingy.

I am not interested.

Then

 

[grace2]

Then

I pray that you love Jesus more than your trine god worshipping church some day before it is too late.

 

[brightfame52]

@Runningman

No.

John 12
32And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw everyone to Myself.”

Jesus is saying here that He is going to save and convert everyone He died for .

 

[Runningman]

@Runningman



Jesus is saying here that He is going to save and convert everyone He died for .

So you're a Reformed Universalist? What happened to limited atonement and unconditional election?

2 Corinthians 5
14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

 

[brightfame52]

So you're a Reformed Universalist? What happened to limited atonement and unconditional election?

2 Corinthians 5
14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.

No Im not a universalist, those He never saved obviously dont belong to the all He saved, duh

 

[brightfame52]

So yes Jesus taught Tulip the gospel of the Kingdom!

 

[Runningman]

No Im not a universalist, those He never saved obviously dont belong to the all He saved, duh

Your argument depends on the rejection of 1 Corinthians 5:15. A very weak argument. Which scripture says what you say?

 

[brightfame52]

Your argument depends on the rejection of 1 Corinthians 5:15. A very weak argument. Which scripture says what you say?

, Those He never saved obviously dont belong to the all He saved, duh

 

[Mr GLee]

Your argument depends on the rejection of 1 Corinthians 5:15. A very weak argument. Which scripture says what you say?

He suffered as a living sacrifice for all. . . as many as the father gave ,Not one more or less.

The key "as" denoting a parable is in view.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him

 

[Runningman]

, Those He never saved obviously dont belong to the all He saved, duh

Translates to "I am elected as long as I am a believer, but if I stop being a believer I was never elected." That's the definition of a self-fulfilling prophecy. You've been hoodwinked with vain philosophy.

 

[Runningman]

He suffered as a living sacrifice for all. . . as many as the father gave ,Not one more or less.

The key "as" denoting a parable is in view.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

John 8:30 As he spake these words, many believed on him.

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him

yes, all of Jesus' power and authority were not inherently his, even the eternal life he received and was authorized to give.

John 5
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

John 17
2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

 

[Mr GLee]

yes, all of Jesus' power and authority were not inherently his, even the eternal life he received and was authorized to give.

John 5
26For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

John 17
2As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

Paraphrased . . .For as the Father hath life (living faith) in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; . . . . the "let there be" and it was God alone good.. . kind. . His good labor of love or work of his faith (power) .

 

[Carbon]

No.

I know you don't.

 

[Carbon]

None of the scriptures you give to refute any point of TULIP, do so. They are just isolated scriptures pulled out of ALL context, and frankly, in most of them I do not even see any connection to the doctrine being refuted. And show we where Judas was promised eternal life.

Right. And he can't refute it.