Did Christ actually suffer eternal torment on our behalf?

[ChristB4us]

No-The Father is called the only true God-one must know Father and son. And is a separator.

I leave you to God.

 

[Keiw1]

The word of God doesn't end with the scroll of Malachi.

No it doesnt--Jesus brought truth-John 20:17, Rev 3:12

 

[Keiw1]

I leave you to God.

Just remember when you see Baylon the great fall( worldwide false religions) RUN to Jehovah.

 

[Eleanor]

No it doesn't--Jesus brought truth-John 20:17, Rev 3:12

And truth that he brought is: to reject the teaching of his apostles is to reject his teaching (Lk 10:16).

You are rejecting the teaching of Jesus in rejecting the following teachings of the apostles Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, who identify

Jesus as the YHWH of the OT in:

Mt 3:3, Lk 1:67-68, 76 (Isa 40:3) - Jesus is the YHWH of whom the voice calling in the wilderness (John the Baptist) prepared the way.

Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Paul teaches Jesus is the YHWH of Joel's prophecy that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved."

Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Heb quotes Moses' song referring to YHWH and says it applies to Jesus.

Rev 1:12-18 (Isa 44:6, 48:12) - the man in the vision is Jesus (1:18, 2:8) who identifies himself as the First and the Last which is YHWH identification of himself.

Also:

Rev 21:6, 22:12-13 (Rev 1:8) - the man in the vision (Jesus) identifies himself as the Alpha and Omega of Rev 1:8, which is YHWH.

Rev 21:5-7 (Rev 20:11-13) -Jesus, the one on the throne (Rev 20:11-13 with Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39), is God (Rev 21:7).

The Elohim and YHWH who created all things (Ge 1:1, Is 44:24, Jer 10:16) is Jesus (Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10).

 

[Keiw1]

And truth that he brought is: to reject the teaching of his apostles is to reject his teaching (Lk 10:16).

You are rejecting the teaching of Jesus in rejecting the following teachings of the apostles Matthew, Luke, John and Paul, who identify

Jesus as the YHWH of the OT in:

Mt 3:3, Lk 1:67-68, 76 (Isa 40:3) - Jesus is the YHWH of whom the voice calling in the wilderness (John the Baptist) prepared the way.

Ro 10:9, 13 (Joel 2:32) - Paul teaches Jesus is the YHWH of Joel's prophecy that "everyone who calls on the name of YHWH will be saved."

Heb 1:6 (Dt 32:43) - Heb quotes Moses' song referring to YHWH and says it applies to Jesus.

Rev 1:12-18 (Isa 44:6, 48:12) - the man in the vision is Jesus (1:18, 2:8) who identifies himself as the First and the Last which is YHWH identification of himself.

Also:

Rev 21:6, 22:12-13 (Rev 1:8) - the man in the vision (Jesus) identifies himself as the Alpha and Omega of Rev 1:8, which is YHWH.

Rev 21:5-7 (Rev 20:11-13) -Jesus, the one on the throne (Rev 20:11-13 with Jn 5:22, 27, 9:39), is God (Rev 21:7).

The Elohim and YHWH who created all things (Ge 1:1, Is 44:24, Jer 10:16) is Jesus (Jn 1:3, Col 1:16-17, Heb 1:2b, 10).

You are twisting what is said to fit false dogmas from error filled translations that contradict Jesus to the core.

 

[ChristB4us]

Just remember when you see Baylon the great fall( worldwide false religions) RUN to Jehovah.

When you see Christ Jesus descend from Heaven with a shout, and you get left behind, feel free to call on Jesus to save you anyway. He will.

 

[Keiw1]

When you see Christ Jesus descend from Heaven with a shout, and you get left behind, feel free to call on Jesus to save you anyway. He will.

Rev 19:11 is when Jesus comes to earth=Armageddon.

 

[CrowCross]

They disagree because of false reasonings of men. They are altered versions -do you understand that fact? Altered by satans will to mislead. The world is about to find out when Babylon the great falls( worldwide religions) Run to Jehovah do not hesitate when that occurs.

Would you care to prove that statement....or did you say it because it sounded good?

 

[CrowCross]

Jesus has a God, because he is a created being. The firstborn of all creation.

Here we go again....you had no clue as to what the kenosis was....and from the sounds of it still don't....then you want to drop the term "first born" and you have no clue as to what that means.

Here's a hint. Feel free to get back to us when you've educated yourself.

 

[Keiw1]

Would you care to prove that statement....or did you say it because it sounded good?

Prove what?

 

[Keiw1]

Here we go again....you had no clue as to what the kenosis was....and from the sounds of it still don't....then you want to drop the term "first born" and you have no clue as to what that means.

Here's a hint. Feel free to get back to us when you've educated yourself.

The term-all creation-proves 100% its speaking about the beginning creation, its when all creation occurred. God rested after that.

 

[Eleanor]

You are twisting what is said to fit false dogmas from error filled translations that contradict Jesus to the core.

Convenient defense. . .

 

[Arial]

You are twisting what is said to fit false dogmas from error filled translations that contradict Jesus to the core.

Is that supposed to be some sort of viable argument?
What are the false dogmas?
What are the error filled translations?
What are the errors?
What are the correct translations of the declared errors?
Who declared them to be translation errors?
How do these "they" know they are errors? On what do you base them as errors?
In what way do they contradict Jesus to the core?
What are they?

 

[Keiw1]

Convenient defense. . .

Its truth. Every translation on earth with Gods name removed in the over 7000 places God willed it because he wants it there was done by satans will through wicked men. So one needs to ask, why does my religion give support to satans will over Gods will in that matter by using altered translations? Altered to mislead.

 

[Keiw1]

Is that supposed to be some sort of viable argument?
What are the false dogmas?
What are the error filled translations?
What are the errors?
What are the correct translations of the declared errors?
Who declared them to be translation errors?
How do these "they" know they are errors? On what do you base them as errors?
In what way do they contradict Jesus to the core?
What are they?

God willed his name in his bible over 7000 places. Wicked men, who had no right, by satans will, removed Gods name in those places-nearly 6800 spots in OT, every spot-GOD or LORD( all capitols is) and those spots quoted in the NT over 200 spots. Plus Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3) translated errors in to fit false council teachings. The biggest being a capitol G God to the word at John 1:1. Its not like that in the Greek Lexicons.

 

[CrowCross]

Prove what?

What we were talking about....sheeze....go back and read the thread. Especially where you said "They are altered versions -do you understand that fact? Altered by satans will to mislead."

 

[CrowCross]

The term-all creation-proves 100% its speaking about the beginning creation, its when all creation occurred. God rested after that.

Jesus is called the firstborn, not the first-created. The word "firstborn" (Greek word "prototokos") signifies priority. In the culture of the Ancient Near East, the firstborn was not necessarily the oldest child. firstborn referred not to birth order but to rank. The firstborn possessed the inheritance and leadership.......But then again you knew that....riight?

 

[Eleanor]

Its truth. Every translation on earth with Gods name removed in the over 7000 places God willed it because he wants it there was done by satans will through wicked men. So one needs to ask, why does my religion give support to satans will over Gods will in that matter by using altered translations? Altered to mislead.

What is misleading about using "God" for "YHWH," etc.?

 

[Arial]

God willed his name in his bible over 7000 places. Wicked men, who had no right, by satans will, removed Gods name in those places-nearly 6800 spots in OT, every spot-GOD or LORD( all capitols is) and those spots quoted in the NT over 200 spots. Plus Catholicism( 2 Thess 2:3) translated errors in to fit false council teachings. The biggest being a capitol G God to the word at John 1:1. Its not like that in the Greek Lexicons.

That is still just a statement without giving any evidence that I asked for.

 

[Keiw1]

What we were talking about....sheeze....go back and read the thread. Especially where you said "They are altered versions -do you understand that fact? Altered by satans will to mislead."

They are altered-even your scholars know its fact.