Did Christ actually suffer eternal torment on our behalf?

[ChristB4us]

Salvation for those who-OBEY. Hebrews 5:9)--

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

This is how we obey Him.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

And Jesus assures-Matt 7:21-Only those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom( be saved).

Matthew 7:13-27 has to be read in context as the will of the Father here is narrowing the way back to the straight gate, the Lord Jesus Christ as the only way to come to God the Father by in order to avoid those apostate movements of the "spirit" where the focus is supposedly on the Holy Spirit visiting the worship place with signs and lying wonders but they are really the spirits of the antichrist for why many believers lose self control and fall backwards in seeking that and other sensational signs in the flesh in holy laughter movement, slain in the spirit and being drunk in the spirit phenomenon.

Jesus summed that will up in a single teaching-Man does not live by bread alone, but by EVERY utterance from God)=OT-NT carefully studied and applied-it never stops. He as well taught--Few will find the road that leads off into life( get grace, salvation, be saved)

How do you follow Jesus? By trusting Jesus Christ as God the Saviour AND your personal Good Shepherd & Friend to help you to follow Him as only God can do that OR do you deny the deity of Christ and thereby deny the Father as well?

Ask the Father to reveal His Son to you as God the Saviour.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

The fulfillment of this prophesy in Isaiah was done below as the Father & the Holy Spirit sent the God, Our Redeemer to us to teach us in the way we ought to go..

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

 

[Keiw1]

Exodus 6:3And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Jesus is the God Jehovah that appeared unto Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in their days. May God the Father reveal that truth to you soon.

No Jesus is not Jehovah. His Father is Jehovah.

 

[Keiw1]

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

This is how we obey Him.

John 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. 40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 7:13-27 has to be read in context as the will of the Father here is narrowing the way back to the straight gate, the Lord Jesus Christ as the only way to come to God the Father by in order to avoid those apostate movements of the "spirit" where the focus is supposedly on the Holy Spirit visiting the worship place with signs and lying wonders but they are really the spirits of the antichrist for why many believers lose self control and fall backwards in seeking that and other sensational signs in the flesh in holy laughter movement, slain in the spirit and being drunk in the spirit phenomenon.

How do you follow Jesus? By trusting Jesus Christ as God the Saviour AND your personal Good Shepherd & Friend to help you to follow Him as only God can do that OR do you deny the deity of Christ and thereby deny the Father as well?

Ask the Father to reveal His Son to you as God the Saviour.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

The fulfillment of this prophesy in Isaiah was done below as the Father & the Holy Spirit sent the God, Our Redeemer to us to teach us in the way we ought to go..

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

You live in confusion. The Father is the only true God Jesus taught--BELIEVE Him.

 

[Eleanor]

Joel 2:21-- Those who call on YHWH(Jehovah) will be saved-Yes quoted 2 x in the NT Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:9--Both spots in NT should have YHWH there not Lord. LORD put in trinity translations at all 3 spots to mislead ones thinking it is Jesus but its not-Its his God and Father spoken of at all 3 spots.
Actually YHWH created all things-He is the only one with the power and wisdom to do so-He created the being he sent, named Jesus as a mortal-direct=first and last= only begotten son. Col 1:15-16--The FIRSTBORN of all creation-all creation occurred at the beginning. God created all the other things-THROUGH the being he sent to earth. If something is created-through one, that means another did it. Jesus explains all that at Prov 8-- Jesus is the only one who was beside God as his master worker during creation process-He gives God all credit for the creation at Prov 8.

Does not refute NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church (Lk 10:16) of Jesus as YHWH, as demonstrated in post #331.

 

[Keiw1]

Does not refute NT apostolic teaching authoritative to the church (Lk 10:16) of Jesus as YHWH, as demonstrated in post #331.

The Father is YHWH- Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name=YHWH(Jehovah) --the only name that fits.

 

[CrowCross]

In the OT speaks about YHWH as being savior, because he is. Jesus does YHWH's will, his ransom sacrifice makes Jesus a savior as well. Because without that sacrifice no one has a chance.

Unless you believe in the real Jesus...you don't have a chance. I suggest you repent.

 

[ChristB4us]

No Jesus is not Jehovah. His Father is Jehovah.

Has Jesus ever addressed the Father by the name of Jehovah in the KJV? I see no such reference.

 

[ChristB4us]

You live in confusion. The Father is the only true God Jesus taught--BELIEVE Him.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

So this is life eternal is by knowing the Father & Jesus Christ as the only true God.

 

[Eleanor]

The Father is YHWH- Our Father who art in heaven hallowed be thy name=YHWH(Jehovah) --the only name that fits.

So you don't believe the apostolic teaching of Matthew, Mark, John and Paul in post #331.

Jesus said those who reject what his apostles teach are rejecting what he teaches (Lk 10:16).

So you simply do not believe Jesus.

Q.E.D.

 

[Keiw1]

Unless you believe in the real Jesus...you don't have a chance. I suggest you repent.

Yes the real Jesus=John 20:17

 

[Keiw1]

Has Jesus ever addressed the Father by the name of Jehovah in the KJV? I see no such reference.

In 2015 the divine name kjv came out. Gods name put back in over 7000 places.

 

[Keiw1]

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

So this is life eternal is by knowing the Father & Jesus Christ as the only true God.

No-The Father is called the only true God-one must know Father and son. And is a separator.

 

[Keiw1]

So you don't believe the apostolic teaching of Matthew, Mark, John and Paul in post #331.

Jesus said those who reject what his apostles teach are rejecting what he teaches (Lk 10:16).

So you simply do not believe Jesus.

Q.E.D.

I don't use the altered translations. The errors cause the contradictions. No Israelite ever knew of God as a trinity while serving the true God.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes the real Jesus=John 20:17

Are you claiming the Word who was with God and was God....then became flesh is not Jesus?

Are you saying the Word...Jesus ...didn't come in the flesh?

Are you saying Jesus didn't empty Himself and became a servant? A man?

Are you saying that in John 20:17 Jesus as a risen man....who was still in the role of His kenosis....didn't speak to Mary in those term to show and association with Mary to the Father?

 

[Keiw1]

Are you claiming the Word who was with God and was God....then became flesh is not Jesus?

Are you saying the Word...Jesus ...didn't come in the flesh?

Are you saying Jesus didn't empty Himself and became a servant? A man?

Are you saying that in John 20:17 Jesus as a risen man....who was still in the role of His kenosis....didn't speak to Mary in those term to show and association with Mary to the Father?

The word is not called God( Ton Theon) in the Greek lexicons-he is called god. (Theon)

 

[CrowCross]

The word is not called God( Ton Theon) in the Greek lexicons-he is called god. (Theon)

LOL...all of these translations disagree with you.

Now, look at how 2316. theos/theon is used through out the New Testament..

You sure go through a lot of trouble trying to strip Jesus of Hid divinity.

 

[CrowCross]

The word is not called God( Ton Theon) in the Greek lexicons-he is called god. (Theon)

Keep in mind..you didn't answer the question...you played dodge ball.

Are you claiming the Word who was with God and was God....then became flesh is not Jesus?

Are you saying the Word...Jesus ...didn't come in the flesh?

Are you saying Jesus didn't empty Himself and became a servant? A man?

Are you saying that in John 20:17 Jesus as a risen man....who was still in the role of His kenosis....didn't speak to Mary in those term to show and association with Mary to the Father?

 

[Keiw1]

LOL...all of these translations disagree with you.

Now, look at how 2316. theos/theon is used through out the New Testament..

You sure go through a lot of trouble trying to strip Jesus of Hid divinity.

They disagree because of false reasonings of men. They are altered versions -do you understand that fact? Altered by satans will to mislead. The world is about to find out when Babylon the great falls( worldwide religions) Run to Jehovah do not hesitate when that occurs.

 

[Keiw1]

Keep in mind..you didn't answer the question...you played dodge ball.

Are you claiming the Word who was with God and was God....then became flesh is not Jesus?

Are you saying the Word...Jesus ...didn't come in the flesh?

Are you saying Jesus didn't empty Himself and became a servant? A man?

Are you saying that in John 20:17 Jesus as a risen man....who was still in the role of His kenosis....didn't speak to Mary in those term to show and association with Mary to the Father?

Jesus has a God, because he is a created being. The firstborn of all creation.

 

[Eleanor]

I don't use the altered translations. The errors cause the contradictions. No Israelite ever knew of God as a trinity while serving the true God.

The word of God doesn't end with the scroll of Malachi.