Dating Revelation - combined internal evidences for AD 60

[Josheb]

Yes and Jesus in the last chapter of revelation confirms that this whole testimony of Revelation was for the seven current churches that John wrote revelation to

Revelation 22:
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you[a] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”

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Revelation 22:16 does not say, "This whole testimony is for the seven current churches." Few, if any, of the lists in scripture are exhaustive. There is no reason to think there were only seven churches in Christendom solely because only seven are named in the opening of the book. Likewise, there is no reason to think none of the other churches in any of the other cities read Revelation and thought, "Oh, thank God! We're not mentioned. Nothing in the book applies to us." Those seven churches were mentioned because those seven churches had experienced, were experiencing, and were going to experience specific matters. By extension similar conditions and events might apply to any other congregation in any other locale...... and it was going to happen quickly because the time was then at hand. What Daniel had been told to seal up because the time had not yet come John was told to leave unsealed because the time was at hand.

There could be some symbolism involved in the number seven (completeness) but I, personally, eschew such interpretation unless there's something in the text indicating a number's symbolism.

 

[Mr GLee]

The evidences that point to an early date of Revelation (and actually all of the New Testament) does not mean you have to be a preterist. I believe (and have proven) that the timeline of the end is just about upon us. But I also have shown that all the New Testament was written before 70 AD and most likely by 60 AD and in Aramaic.

I wonder time line? No signs was given to wonder after. Christ said its natural unredeemed that seek after sign before they believe. They have no faith of Christ by which they could believe God . so they must look to the temporal seen.

When jesus the Son of man walked out of the temple, by the mark of his word "what he says come to pass he simply declared it is desolate not will be, no need for literal brick to fall , some remain today as idol image

I wonder time line? One third of human history had passed by before the eternal will of our living God inspired Moses to write all things writen in a book of God laws not the philosophies of dying mankind

I think the focus is more on what we believe not when we are servants of God outside of time, he finished in work all the work in six days. We can rest in his gospel

In that way walk by faith the unseen glorious things of our Holy Father.

Not of those of the number that number days and people.

If we walk by faith the unseen eternal things there is no need to know he when he will leave like a thief on the last day under the sun

 

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I wonder time line? No signs was given to wonder after. Christ said its natural unredeemed that seek after sign before they believe. They have no faith of Christ by which they could believe God . so they must look to the temporal seen.

When jesus the Son of man walked out of the temple, by the mark of his word "what he says come to pass he simply declared it is desolate not will be, no need for literal brick to fall , some remain today as idol image

I wonder time line? One third of human history had passed by before the eternal will of our living God inspired Moses to write all things writen in a book of God laws not the philosophies of dying mankind

I think the focus is more on what we believe not when we are servants of God outside of time, he finished in work all the work in six days. We can rest in his gospel

In that way walk by faith the unseen glorious things of our Holy Father.

Not of those of the number that number days and people.

If we walk by faith the unseen eternal things there is no need to know he when he will leave like a thief on the last day under the sun

Some of us actually take the words of Jesus literally. We are watching and we do know the time of his arrival.

 

[Mr GLee]

The "last days" had advanced to the "last hour" by the time 1 John 2:18-19 was being written. If anyone thinks this "last hour" has been lingering for more than 2,000 years and counting, then they don't know how to evaluate the passage of time at all.

I would think the last days began at the time of the first century reformation restoring the government of Christ God reigning from heaven working in his born again children as earthly strangers sent as apostles from this temporal land sent as ambassador again from a foreign land A land beyond what the eyes see .

The veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings siting in what they called the holy place as if God lived in earthen temples made with human hands as a will of dying mankind.

It was never his will to build even one. Strike three end of the matter. when Jesus the spokesman of the father walked out he declared the words of the father . . it is desolate ,not will be but again is desolate the third abomination of desolation destroyed . Kings in Israel a pagan foundation .

Satan fell he could no longer deceive al the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings Lord of lords , He will be released for a short time to again try and deceive all the nations. God is a Jewish man as King of Kings Satan's final goal. Make God into a dying creature

Then the last day under the Sun. The devil flees forever and ever.

The time of reformation is the beginning of the last days The high walls (15 feet) that separated Jewish men from Jewish women They could not participate in the ceremonies as shadows the men served the shadow as if it was the substance . Men's only club "no women allowed" . Get out get behind the wall .Its not women work do the woman thing learn how to darn my socks writen . .in flashings neon lights And another high wall that separate the Gentiles from the Jews the two walls came tumbling down a gospel "explosion" uniting family's, friends and relatives from all nations A great tribulation for the Jew that trusted in his own dying flesh. One like never before or ever again One that continue to work uniting nations together

The true women lib and man liberating also . Two walls the one witness of one God not seen has spoken. I would call it

One new ceremonial law that looks ahead representing our unseen head Christ (1 Corinthian 11) The new nation of nations pointing to the wedding supper in the new heaven and earth.

 

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I would think the last days began at the time of the first century reformation restoring the government of Christ God reigning from heaven working in his born again children as earthly strangers sent as apostles from this temporal land sent as ambassador again from a foreign land A land beyond what the eyes see .

The veil was rent there was no Jewish King of kings siting in what they called the holy place as if God lived in earthen temples made with human hands as a will of dying mankind.

It was never his will to build even one. Strike three end of the matter. when Jesus the spokesman of the father walked out he declared the words of the father . . it is desolate ,not will be but again is desolate the third abomination of desolation destroyed . Kings in Israel a pagan foundation .

Satan fell he could no longer deceive al the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man as King of kings Lord of lords , He will be released for a short time to again try and deceive all the nations. God is a Jewish man as King of Kings Satan's final goal. Make God into a dying creature

Then the last day under the Sun. The devil flees forever and ever.

The time of reformation is the beginning of the last days The high walls (15 feet) that separated Jewish men from Jewish women They could not participate in the ceremonies as shadows the men served the shadow as if it was the substance . Men's only club "no women allowed" . Get out get behind the wall .Its not women work do the woman thing learn how to darn my socks writen . .in flashings neon lights And another high wall that separate the Gentiles from the Jews the two walls came tumbling down a gospel "explosion" uniting family's, friends and relatives from all nations A great tribulation for the Jew that trusted in his own dying flesh. One like never before or ever again One that continue to work uniting nations together

The true women lib and man liberating also . Two walls the one witness of one God not seen has spoken. I would call it

One new ceremonial law that looks ahead representing our unseen head Christ (1 Corinthian 11) The new nation of nations pointing to the wedding supper in the new heaven and earth.

People do not have an understanding of what "last days" really means. It's not a generalized amorphous period of years. It specifically refers to the Great Days that God has set up for the existence of time for human history. 7 Days. 7000 years. Jesus was crucified and resurrected at the end of the 4th Great Day. That was the "middle of the week". Anything after that is the "last days".

 

[Mr GLee]

People do not have an understanding of what "last days" really means. It's not a generalized amorphous period of years. It specifically refers to the Great Days that God has set up for the existence of time for human history. 7 Days. 7000 years. Jesus was crucified and resurrected at the end of the 4th Great Day. That was the "middle of the week". Anything after that is the "last days".

Not sure how you get years out of that

I think the last days started at the time of reformation. The last days, veil was rent, tribulation came

According to he three days and nights promised demonstration on the third day the father removed the grave garment and rolled back the Stone finishing the work the father started and finished.

Last days of the three day and night promised demonstration by the father

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

The prophecy of Joel, a great tribulation for the unbelieving Jew trusting his own dying flesh .Trouble one like never before or ever again A great joy to all the nation one like never before or ever again

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

He will continue to pour out his Mighty "last days" Holy Spirit on dying flesh till the last day under the Sun. Leaving like a thief in the night

 

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Not sure how you get years out of that

I think the last days started at the time of reformation. The last days, veil was rent, tribulation came

According to he three days and nights promised demonstration on the third day the father removed the grave garment and rolled back the Stone finishing the work the father started and finished.

Last days of the three day and night promised demonstration by the father

John 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

The prophecy of Joel, a great tribulation for the unbelieving Jew trusting his own dying flesh .Trouble one like never before or ever again A great joy to all the nation one like never before or ever again

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

He will continue to pour out his Mighty "last days" Holy Spirit on dying flesh till the last day under the Sun. Leaving like a thief in the night

Simply not true. Read my previous comment. Watch my video presentations where I go through in detail including all sources. This really is the "secret" to understanding God's plan through history.

 

[TMSO]

TMSO, you are drifting far afield of the original topic here. The topic is the INTERNAL EVIDENCE in Revelation itself which dates the book to a time between late AD 59 and early AD 60. You aren't even addressing this internal evidence already given above because your particular view appears to avoid it at all costs.

No. No it doesn't. The internal evidence does not date back that far, considering Revelation wasn't written until 95 AD.

You want to think that a late date for Revelation's composition was always taught from the early church fathers and going forward. This is not so. This view of an early date is even in the Bible dictionary of my KJV, which states, "The earlier date is the more probable...the interpretation of the Revelation is easier if it belongs to the period just preceding the downfall of Jerusalem, and refers to events which lay in the IMMEDIATE FUTURE." (which again would be related to external sources, and not internal evidence).

Actually it isn't easier, because if it was before the fall, then John would have talked about Jerusalem. You force that interpretation onto the passages.

Irenaeus was far from inspired in his understanding of Revelation's content. Eusebius also appears (just like the Latin translators) to have mistaken which referent Irenaeus was speaking about in the original Greek - whether it was the man named John or the vision being seen almost in Domitian's days.

Eusebius was a Greek, so, unlike you, he wouldn't be mistaken. It was his native language. Since, in Domitian's time, John would have still been in exile, no one would have seen him. He was in exile. The point being made is that the vision was so near to the time that his exile ended, and he would be able to publish his writing, that he would not forget who the beast was in his vision. He would have told people who that person was, if it was someone who they knew. John didn't tell them, therefore, the assumption is that person did not exist yet.

But again, none of this is of any consequence compared to Revelation's own content which gives us datable events than narrow down the composition of the book to an AD 59-60 period. Please stick to that theme.

Please show it. And if you force your interpretation onto the passages, I will call you out on each one.

 

[3 Resurrections]

No. No it doesn't. The internal evidence does not date back that far, considering Revelation wasn't written until 95 AD.

TMSO, you are using your own assumptions about a late date to prove your point. Not good reasoning at all.

The internal evidence of Revelation itself gives us datable events which limit the composition of the book to AD 59-60. No later, and no earlier than either of those dates. And the language terms John employed limited the fulfillment of any future unsealed prophecies to a time that was then "at hand", or presently beginning their fulfillment in John's own days.

Please show it. And if you force your interpretation onto the passages, I will call you out on each one.

I have already given the points of internal evidence above, so there is no need for me to repeat them. Just read back through this post where I have already submitted these points. But I really don't expect that you will give them serious consideration. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

 

[TMSO]

TMSO, you are using your own assumptions about a late date to prove your point. Not good reasoning at all.

The internal evidence of Revelation itself gives us datable events which limit the composition of the book to AD 59-60. No later, and no earlier than either of those dates. And the language terms John employed limited the fulfillment of any future unsealed prophecies to a time that was then "at hand", or presently beginning their fulfillment in John's own days.


I have already given the points of internal evidence above, so there is no need for me to repeat them. Just read back through this post where I have already submitted these points. But I really don't expect that you will give them serious consideration. "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

I have argued with you about this before, and your points were all based on your own personal interpretation of Revelation. THe kings of the earth are NOT the high priests. I pointed it out in even Jesus own language, where you decided that high priests collect custom taxes. They do not. Jesus was asking Peter if the kings of the Earth, who collect taxes and customs (he was even blatantly clear defining kings of the earth), if they tax their own children, their own family. Why did He ask this question? Because here, these temple tax collectors, who collect a tax implemented by GOD, are taxing God's son. Jesus is like, I mean, not even the kings of the Earth tax their children, but here these guys are here shaking down God's Son, the Son of the one who instituted the tax. That isn't supposed to happen.

The other interesting thing we learn here is apparently Peter was the only disciple who was at least 18 years of age. None of the other disciples paid the tax required of those 18 or older.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The other interesting thing we learn here is apparently Peter was the only disciple who was at least 18 years of age. None of the other disciples paid the tax required of those 18 or older.

You are helping to prove my point here. The annual Temple tax was required of every adult male in Israel from every tribe - except for all the members of the priesthood and their sons, who were exempt from having to pay this Temple tax. The "kings of the earth" and their sons were exempted from paying this Temple tax, because they were the beneficiaries of it.

This exemption for the high priesthood and their sons not having to pay the annual half shekel tax went all the way back to the days of Moses' tabernacle. That is because the entire tribe of Levi did not inherit land as all the other tribes did, because God told them that "the Lord is your inheritance". The Temple Tax for the support of the Jerusalem temple was a benefit for the priestly tribe, and especially for the high priesthood and its sons - the "kings of the earth" and their sons.

Christ Jesus as the true "Son" of His own Father's house in Jerusalem, and was going to become our Great High Priest, should not have had to pay for the upkeep of that Temple. As evidence of His true humility, He paid it anyway to avoid causing offense to the agents of the high priest who had come collecting this Temple Tax.

Any time we read about the "kings of the earth" (tes ges) in Revelation, it is referring to the high priesthood in the land (tes ges) of Israel. All of those 8 "kings" on the Scarlet Beast found in the wilderness were the 8 high priest members of the house of Annas. As John was writing Revelation, five of those high priest "kings" of Annas' family had died. The 6th "king" was the "ONE IS" that was then still living of those 8 high priests of the family of Annas (which was Theophilus ben Annas). The 7th "king" had "not yet come" into office as high priest (which was Ananas ben Annas, who would be appointed high priest in AD 63). This 7th high priest "king" would only "continue a short space" (which high priest role only lasted 3 months before Ananas was deposed by Rome).

This means Revelation was being written just before Ananas ben Annas had come into the high priest office in AD 63.

If Revelation was written sometime in the 90's, it would have to match the language of Rev. 17 which requires that five "kings" on the Scarlet Beast would have died by then, with one 6th "king" still living, and with a 7th "king" and an 8th "king" coming before that Scarlet Beast was soon to be destroyed entirely after it had killed Mystery Babylon. John had written that this Scarlet Beast was "ABOUT TO RISE" to existence again in his immediate future, and was also "ABOUT TO...go into destruction" as well, soon afterwards.

Questions: Who were the 5 "kings' who had died before the 90's? And who do you identify as the 6th, current "ONE IS" king who was then serving in the 90's? And who would be the 7th "king" who would only last a short space of time, and who would be the 8th "king"? This 8th king must not only be descended from the group of 7 "kings", but he must also be called the revived Scarlet Beast itself, which once "was", then "is not", then "is" once again when it gets revived for a short time before going into destruction.

All of this convoluted language must fit your own late date 90's view like a glove for it to be true. Fortunately for the early date view, all this language of Revelation 17 does fit this precisely for the history of the 8 high priest "kings of the earth" members of the house of Annas, serving from AD 6 until AD 66. And it proves that Revelation could not have been written after AD 63.

 

[TMSO]

You are helping to prove my point here. The annual Temple tax was required of every adult male in Israel from every tribe - except for all the members of the priesthood and their sons, who were exempt from having to pay this Temple tax. The "kings of the earth" and their sons were exempted from paying this Temple tax, because they were the beneficiaries of it.

That doesn't prove your point at all. Why don't you take Jesus at His word? The kings of the earth levy customs. The high priests and priests cannot. Jesus was talking about actual kings. Why? Because He was referring to His Father who instituted the tax. The high priests have nothing to do with that. They are collecting GOD'S TAX, which God told them what to do with it. It is called the temple tax because the temple is God's house. Why make simple things complicated. You were pretty clear in what you have written about this in the past that the only way to prove your point was to twist scripture, since you couldn't actually find it anywhere.

This exemption for the high priesthood and their sons not having to pay the annual half shekel tax went all the way back to the days of Moses' tabernacle. That is because the entire tribe of Levi did not inherit land as all the other tribes did, because God told them that "the Lord is your inheritance". The Temple Tax for the support of the Jerusalem temple was a benefit for the priestly tribe, and especially for the high priesthood and its sons - the "kings of the earth" and their sons.

The tax was for the temple and the priests. They aren't taxed themselves because GOD not the high priests, said the tax would go to them for the upkeep of His house, the temple. Again, you will not find one verse in the Bible that calls the high priest kings of the earth. I read a comment from you on another site that said exactly that. You couldn't find one. This is all your own interpretation. Again, can you claim that the high priest charged a temple tax, AND customs? I mean, this is what Jesus said of the kings of the earth to Peter. They levy customs, which is a property tax for what people bring into the COUNTRY. I don't remember God ever telling the high priests to collect that, and I don't find it anywhere in scripture. Now the actual king, he levied customs.

Christ Jesus as the true "Son" of His own Father's house in Jerusalem, and was going to become our Great High Priest, should not have had to pay for the upkeep of that Temple. As evidence of His true humility, He paid it anyway to avoid causing offense to the agents of the high priest who had come collecting this Temple Tax.

Not the Son of the house, the Son of God, the King who instituted the tax. The high priests had a special exemption from God, but sons don't get a special exemption, because they are sons. They are automatically considered exempt. Why did God have to give the priests and high priests a special exemption? They aren't sons. Jesus, however, is the Son of God, and therefore the collectors should have realized that he doesn't pay.

Any time we read about the "kings of the earth" (tes ges) in Revelation, it is referring to the high priesthood in the land (tes ges) of Israel.

Absolutely not. That is your own invention.

All of those 8 "kings" on the Scarlet Beast found in the wilderness were the 8 high priest members of the house of Annas. As John was writing Revelation, five of those high priest "kings" of Annas' family had died. The 6th "king" was the "ONE IS" that was then still living of those 8 high priests of the family of Annas (which was Theophilus ben Annas). The 7th "king" had "not yet come" into office as high priest (which was Ananas ben Annas, who would be appointed high priest in AD 63). This 7th high priest "king" would only "continue a short space" (which high priest role only lasted 3 months before Ananas was deposed by Rome).

The problem is that the high priests aren't the kings of the earth, and so your conclusion is unsound. Irrational.

This means Revelation was being written just before Ananas ben Annas had come into the high priest office in AD 63.

If Revelation was written sometime in the 90's, it would have to match the language of Rev. 17 which requires that five "kings" on the Scarlet Beast would have died by then, with one 6th "king" still living, and with a 7th "king" and an 8th "king" coming before that Scarlet Beast was soon to be destroyed entirely after it had killed Mystery Babylon. John had written that this Scarlet Beast was "ABOUT TO RISE" to existence again in his immediate future, and was also "ABOUT TO...go into destruction" as well, soon afterwards.

Except, once again, you are completely wrong about the identity.

Questions: Who were the 5 "kings' who had died before the 90's? And who do you identify as the 6th, current "ONE IS" king who was then serving in the 90's? And who would be the 7th "king" who would only last a short space of time, and who would be the 8th "king"? This 8th king must not only be descended from the group of 7 "kings", but he must also be called the revived Scarlet Beast itself, which once "was", then "is not", then "is" once again when it gets revived for a short time before going into destruction.

From what I have been able to tell, your's is an abberant belief.

All of this convoluted language must fit your own late date 90's view like a glove for it to be true. Fortunately for the early date view, all this language of Revelation 17 does fit this precisely for the history of the 8 high priest "kings of the earth" members of the house of Annas, serving from AD 6 until AD 66. And it proves that Revelation could not have been written after AD 63.

Except that, again, the kings of the earth are not the high priests. For instance, we have one instance where a king tried to be a priest. What happened? God struck him down with leprosy for daring to pair the two compartments. A priest and a high priest would ONLY be priests and high priests, and kings would only be kings, and they would never be joined together. That is how God ordained it. What happened with Saul when he exempted the office? God rejected him forever. Samuel was the one who was to do it.

 

[3 Resurrections]

The kings of the earth levy customs. The high priests and priests cannot.

Oh, but the high priests were doing this. That was the purpose of the money-changers charging a fee for the exchange of currency every time a temple worshipper from any nation came to Jerusalem to either buy or sell sacrificial animals or items for worship. No one could use their own national currency. They had to trade in their own nation's coinage for the only approved coinage the high priests would allow for temple transactions - the required Tyrian shekel. And they had to pay the temple money-changers a fee of a certain number of "prutah" coins for this exchange. This raked in enormous profits for the high priests, which is what earned Christ's righteous anger against those who had made His Father's house a "den of thieves".

Questions: Who were the 5 "kings' who had died before the 90's? And who do you identify as the 6th, current "ONE IS" king who was then serving in the 90's? And who would be the 7th "king" who would only last a short space of time, and who would be the 8th "king"? This 8th king must not only be descended from the group of 7 "kings", but he must also be called the revived Scarlet Beast itself, which once "was", then "is not", then "is" once again when it gets revived for a short time before going into destruction.

From what I have been able to tell, your's is an abberant belief.

I notice you didn't answer any of my questions above concerning your own ideas for the identification of these eight "kings", one of which was then currently still living as John was writing. Do you have any thoughts at all on this that would match your proposed composition date of Revelation in the 90's? It's not good enough to simply label my view as "an aberrant belief" if you have nothing to set in its place.

Except that, again, the kings of the earth are not the high priests. For instance, we have one instance where a king tried to be a priest. What happened? God struck him down with leprosy for daring to pair the two compartments.

How then do you explain Hannah extolling God in 1 Samuel 1:10 (1 Kings 1:10 LXX) "who gives strength to our kings...", when Saul the first monarch of Israel had not even been born yet? Israel was called a "kingdom of priests" with her "royalty" originally established by God in her high priesthood - not a regular monarch. When disobedient Israel rejected that high priest "king" in favor of a monarch just like all the other nations, this WAS a forbidden thing for that regular monarch to usurp the position of the high priest "king" which had to descend from the Levitical tribe.

 

[Ghada]

It doesn't really matter when Revelation was written by John.

The Preterist still can't show where in history what is mentioned in Revelations has already happened.

True. As we see in the gospels, if the dates mattered, then they would be given.

Afterall, the Revelation of Jesus Christ is the revealing of prophetic mysteries, not the burying of them in even more mystery.

Though some people will become christians during the tribulation, prior to the tribulation the christians will be "caught up" and taken from the earth.

Christians are already during the tribulation and wrath of wicked men.

Prior to the tribulation and wrath of God upon wicked men, will all Christians' alive and remaining on earth be caught up to the Lord in the air.

Any naming the name of Christ not caught up, are left behind with the hypocrites of the earth.

 

[Ghada]

For the Preterist views to hold water, this evidence of the dating of Revelation is an absolute must,

True. So far, the only dates and times we know for sure, are the past and present works of the churches mentioned at the time.

since so many of the prophecies hang on the time-relevant language which John used extensively throughout the book.

The only time-relevant thing in Jesus Christ's Revelation to the churches, is His return to earth with power and great glory.

Not happened yet, nor is any date given. (Except by the false prophets and fools that believe them...)

This language itself is the determining factor for anyone trying to interpret Revelation's visions. When John announced that all his visions of the future were "at hand" in his Revelation 1:3 introduction and his Revelation 22:10 conclusion to the book, if we don't know what year the book was written, then we can't understand which generation these "at hand" visions applied to.

The generation still at hand is every generation following, including our own.

Revelation written just after early AD 60

We can begin with John's own statement in Revelation 1:9 of his then-current situation of a tribulation period which he was experiencing at the time. "I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation,

All them that repent must enter the kingdom of Christ thru much tribulation, and the godly shall suffer persection.

That hasn't changed since Cain slew righteous Abel.

Christ had predicted for His disciples that they would endure tribulation and be persecuted from city to city in their evangelistic efforts during those early years of the church. So, which particular period of "tribulation" was John then experiencing?

The one he lived in?

Who suffers more tribulation and persecution for the faith of Jesus unto death? Someone yesterday or today or tomorrow?

To the one suffering tribulation and persecution of wrath of man, it's the greatest tribulation and persecution on earth ever...

 

[Ghada]

All of John's own time-relevant terms combined tell us when the book was written,

The only time-relevant term that matters for when the bood was written, is:

I John was on the isle of Patmos. Whenever that was...

and to whom those dire prophecies were directed.

The churches then yesterday, today, and tomorrow...

I am not done yet with listing all of the internal evidence for an early date by any means.

See above for the only internal evidence for the time when the book is written.

 

[Ghada]

It is the means in which God will save the Jews.

Not the Jews recieving a false Christ in his own name. Nor the Christians decieved by the same false Christ.

 

[Ghada]

If Acts, any of the New Testament epistles and Revelation has been written after 70 AD they certainly would have mentioned the destruction of Jerusalem and the deaths of Paul and Peter

The prophets and apostles of Christ write what He wants then to write.

Though the Bible has much history, from the beginning it's the doctrine of God, not the history of the world.

We know Paul and Peter were alive when Christ writes 2 Peter. And John was alive on Patmos when writing Revelation.

And please, in the future, correctly discriminate between partial preterists and full preterists. There are huge differences between the two.

True. The works of the churches mentioned by name are past, and the Lord has not returned to earth with power and glory.

And we also know there have been and are many antichrists come into the world. The question is about the last great one before the Lord's return.

 

[Ghada]

Correction: The book of Revelation WAS about the time of Jacob's trouble....

And still is until the Lord's return. The names, dates, and places of saints in tribulation and persecution change, but not the tribulation and persecution of saints. Until the Lord's return.

 

[Ghada]

Revelation was written between 60 AD and 95 AD.

John was on Patmos for 35 years?