Question for Dispensational Premillennialists

[Josheb]

It is common practice for Dispensational Premillennialists, or those who subscribe to a Dispensationalist version of modern futurism, to make "prognostications" about events they believe are soon to occur. I use the word "prognostication" because futurists have learned not to make the mistakes made in the 1980s and 90s when preachers used to predict a specific date. Prognostication is vaguer. It's time-frame setting, not date-setting, even though it proves difficult to get a Dispensationalist to be forthcoming and commit to when their prognostication might occur. Whether it is one month, three, six, twelve months or a year, three, five or ten we Christians are told something prophetic of eschatological significance is going to happen sometime "soon." We're all supposed to be on the lookout for this event (a red Heffer, a third temple, the rapture, etc.). My question, and for now it is just one, single, solitary question, has to do with the fact no one within Dispensational Premillennialism has yet to make an accurate prognostication in the last 195 years (going back to the origin of DPism. The question is......


What makes your prognostications and different from all the other Dispensational Premillennialist prognostications Given the 100% fail rate of all your predecessors, what makes your prognostication(s) different?


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[CrowCross]

It is common practice for Dispensational Premillennialists, or those who subscribe to a Dispensationalist version of modern futurism, to make "prognostications" about events they believe are soon to occur. I use the word "prognostication" because futurists have learned not to make the mistakes made in the 1980s and 90s when preachers used to predict a specific date. Prognostication is vaguer. It's time-frame setting, not date-setting, even though it proves difficult to get a Dispensationalist to be forthcoming and commit to when their prognostication might occur. Whether it is one month, three, six, twelve months or a year, three, five or ten we Christians are told something prophetic of eschatological significance is going to happen sometime "soon." We're all supposed to be on the lookout for this event (a red Heffer, a third temple, the rapture, etc.). My question, and for now it is just one, single, solitary question, has to do with the fact no one within Dispensational Premillennialism has yet to make an accurate prognostication in the last 195 years (going back to the origin of DPism. The question is......


What makes your prognostications and different from all the other Dispensational Premillennialist prognostications Given the 100% fail rate of all your predecessors, what makes your prognostication(s) different?


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The technology for the system of the beast didn't exist 195 years ago. For the most part it does now.
195 years ago Israel wasn't a nation....it is now. The fig tree has budded. People are returning as the bible says.
There is current plans to rebuild the temple. They even have all the temple "furnature" and required clothing. They're currently teaching the priest how to perform the ceremonies.
They have several red heiffers that were taken from Texas to Israel. They even had a practice sacrifice...that some say wasn't a practice but the real cleansing.
Some of the red heifers have been disqualified and the rest are aging out.
"Jerusalem a cup of trembling"
They're working on some sort of peace plan....Jared Kushner is involved.

Matt 16:3...And in the morning, It will be foul weather to-day: for the heaven is red and lowering. Ye know how to discern the face of the heaven; but ye cannot discern the signs of the times.

You don't seem to have ears to hear. Mod edit. Violation of rule 2.1 and 2.2

 

[Josheb]

The technology for the system of the beast didn't exist 195 years ago.

Scripture says otherwise and you are assuming there is a "system" when scripture never states any such thing. The idea of some system is another addition to scripture common in Dispensational Premillennialism. It's just one more example of you - if you are honest and forthcoming - having to say, "No, scripture does not actually explicitly state there is a system in the future but it is something we read scripture to imply and therefore infer a system's existence."

Matt 16:3...And in the morning, It will be foul weather to-day: for the heaven is red and lowering. Ye know how to discern the face of the heaven; but ye cannot discern the signs of the times.

No mention of any system and the fact is the "you" in that sentence is his Mount Olive audience who lived in the first century, not people who weren't even yet born.

You don't seem to have ears to hear.

Alas, Post #2 will be reported for making personally derisive comments and, God willing, that statement will be deleted and you'll be appropriately admonished. One Christian brother to another: Would you please make a conscious and conscientious effort to keep that dross out of the thread? Thx

 

[Josheb]

What makes your prognostications and different from all the other Dispensational Premillennialist prognostications Given the 100% fail rate of all your predecessors, what makes your prognostication(s) different?

What makes your prognostications and different from all the other Dispensational Premillennialist prognostications Given the 100% fail rate of all your predecessors, what makes your prognostication(s) different?

The technology for the system of the beast didn't exist 195 years ago.

Hogwash. What that means is Dispensational Premillennialists have been prognosticating before the technology and system enabling justifying them doing so existed. All that means is all the Dispensationalist over the last 195 years ago have been incompetent and modern Dispies are following those incompetents. That's not an explanation for why the prognostications of contemporary Dispensationalist are different. That's an explanation for why we'd expect more of the same nonsense.

For the most part it does now.

Not according to all the early prognosticators. The implication of you're argument is "They were wrong because they were not properly equipped to do what they did but we are." That is irrational, inane, and self-indicting.

195 years ago Israel wasn't a nation....it is now.

It's not the promised restoration of covenant Israel. Its only similarity is its name. A Ford fiesta is called a race car because it's got flames painted on the side and bears a Ford logo. So, again, all that has been accomplished is to show prior Dispensationalists incompetent. Besides, there are almost 75 years of leading Dispensationalist posting their prognostications after the establishment of modern Israel and they all still had/have a 100% fail rate.

The fig tree has budded. People are returning as the bible says. There is current plans to rebuild the temple. They even have all the temple "furnature" and required clothing. They're currently teaching the priest how to perform the ceremonies. They have several red heiffers that were taken from Texas to Israel. They even had a practice sacrifice...that some say wasn't a practice but the real cleansing. Some of the red heifers have been disqualified and the rest are aging out. "Jerusalem a cup of trembling" They're working on some sort of peace plan....Jared Kushner is involved.

Yet not a single prognostication by a Dispensational Premillennialist since the fig tree budded has come true. You do understand the salient truth of any such prediction is that the event is an actual fulfillment of prophecy, yes? You and I can build a temple and start slaughtering animals according to the Law but that does not mean our doing so fulfilled any prophecy. Works of flesh never do. The simple fact is none of it has happened. There is no covenant Israel, no temple, no animal sacrifices, no rapture, and no millennial kingdom. Dispensational Premillennialists have been saying these things are going to happen next month, next year, within a decade, etc. but none of those prognostications has ever been true.

Normally this is called false teaching.

195 years of false teaching that you're attributing to a lack of technology and systemic conditions that Dispensationalist predecessors ignored. They spoke before they should have. One more reason NOT to follow their teachings.

Matt 16:3...And in the morning, It will be foul weather to-day: for the heaven is red and lowering. Ye know how to discern the face of the heaven; but ye cannot discern the signs of the times.

You don't seem to have ears to hear.

The question asked was not answered. The appearance of an answer exists but upon critical examination it amounts to sophistry.



What makes your prognostications any different from all the Dispensational Premillennialists' prognostications that have failed in the past.?




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[CrowCross]

Scripture says otherwise and you are assuming there is a "system" when scripture never states any such thing. The idea of some system is another addition to scripture common in Dispensational Premillennialism. It's just one more example of you - if you are honest and forthcoming - having to say, "No, scripture does not actually explicitly state there is a system in the future but it is something we read scripture to imply and therefore infer a system's existence."

I'm thinking you don't understand what a system is.

No mention of any system and the fact is the "you" in that sentence is his Mount Olive audience who lived in the first century, not people who weren't even yet born.

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[Josheb]

I'm thinking you don't understand what a system is.

That would be incorrect.

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[CrowCross]

That would be incorrect.

Then what is the Beast System of Rev 13.

I've pretty muchfed you the answer {Mod Hat: Showing contempt for poster and off topic. Rules 2....1.,2.2,4.3} Perhaps you can add to it.

 

[Josheb]

Then what is the Beast System of Rev 13.

Red herring.

In order to answer that question it would first have to be proven (not speculated) the beast text is talking about a system (and that system is something unique to post-1948 conditions) and that has not been done.

I've pretty much fed you the answer. Perhaps you can add to it.

No. What happened is delusional Dispensational speculation was posted. biased delusional speculation is never an answer to anything. You do not get to change the subject. This op asks one single, solitary, lone question.


What makes your prognostications any different from all the Dispensational Premillennialists' prognostications that have failed in the past.?


This op does NOT ask about the beast, nor any beast system. Biased speculations a beast system exists is not an answer to the question ased. If you try to change the subject again I will, again, report the post.

 

[CrowCross]

Red herring.

In order to answer that question it would first have to be proven (not speculated) the beast text is talking about a system (and that system is something unique to post-1948 conditions) and that has not been done.

No. What happened is delusional Dispensational speculation was posted. biased delusional speculation is never an answer to anything. You do not get to change the subject. This op asks one single, solitary, lone question.


What makes your prognostications any different from all the Dispensational Premillennialists' prognostications that have failed in the past.?


This op does NOT ask about the beast, nor any beast system. Biased speculations a beast system exists is not an answer to the question ased. If you try to change the subject again I will, again, report the post.

I'll not reply as everything I say relating to your post will be considered as off topic.

 

[Josheb]

I'll not reply as everything I say relating to your post will be considered as off topic.

Rational explanations for why your prognostications should be considered more veracious that all your predecessors' prognostications are not off topic. Irrational "explanations" aren't off topic, either. Derogatory insinuations and commentary about others is off topic. The appeal to the existence of modern Israel as part of the "system" enabling your prognostications fail because modern Israel is just one of the many, many failed predictions made by Dispensational Premillennialists. They say modern Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy, but modern looks nothing like covenant Israel. It might look like that one day, but that day has not yet arrived. It is not a fulfillment of prophecy so it cannot be part of any set of conditions enabling successful prognostication. The claim of a "beast system" likewise fails because it has been proven any such system actually exists. It is a product of confirm-biased self-fulfilling (non-)prophecy. The objective reader wonders how it is anyone can invent ideas and then use those ideas as a basis for claiming prognostication will be correct - especially when there has been nearly 200 years of failed prognostication in that system called Dispensational Premillennialism.

100% fail rate.

What makes your prognostications any different?

 

[CrowCross]

Rational explanations for why your prognostications should be considered more veracious that all your predecessors' prognostications are not off topic. Irrational "explanations" aren't off topic, either. Derogatory insinuations and commentary about others is off topic. The appeal to the existence of modern Israel as part of the "system" enabling your prognostications fail because modern Israel is just one of the many, many failed predictions made by Dispensational Premillennialists. They say modern Israel is the fulfillment of prophecy, but modern looks nothing like covenant Israel. It might look like that one day, but that day has not yet arrived. It is not a fulfillment of prophecy so it cannot be part of any set of conditions enabling successful prognostication. The claim of a "beast system" likewise fails because it has been proven any such system actually exists. It is a product of confirm-biased self-fulfilling (non-)prophecy. The objective reader wonders how it is anyone can invent ideas and then use those ideas as a basis for claiming prognostication will be correct - especially when there has been nearly 200 years of failed prognostication in that system called Dispensational Premillennialism.

100% fail rate.

What makes your prognostications any different?

Then don't worry about Dispensational Premillennialism point of view. I sincerely hope you enjoy the tribulation.