Christian Baptism

[Carbon]

Baptism is the sign and seal of membership in Christ's body, the church.

 

[Carbon]

It is a fact beyond dispute that the covenant made with Abraham included the infant offspring of Abraham. This is just saying that the church under the Old Testament included not only all those who were of sufficient age and intelligence to confess the true religion but also their infant seed. Infants received the sign of circumcision. It was administered to them by divine command (Genesis 17:10-12). And circumcision was the sign and seal of the covenant administered to Abraham.

 

[fastfredy0]

Baptism is the sign and seal of membership in Christ's body, the church.

It is if it's baptism by the Spirit 1 Corinthians 12:13

 

[fastfredy0]

It is a fact beyond dispute that the covenant made with Abraham included the infant offspring of Abraham. This is just saying that the church under the Old Testament included not only all those who were of sufficient age and intelligence to confess the true religion but also their infant seed.

There's some debate about the offspring of the redeemed making it to heaven due to insufficient intellect. MacArthur and Sproul debated it.
I wonder .... an unredeemed guy has a kid that dies at 1 year old. Later the guy becomes saved. Does the kid get to heaven under your criteria? I guess YES.

 

[Mr GLee]

Baptism is the sign and seal of membership in Christ's body, the church.

Another way to look at it.

No outward signs were given an evil unredeemed generation seek after. Aaron's two sons offered strange sign pointing to their own self .Consumed them .Not a hint of smoke of the ceremonial attire .

A sign to the world . Believers have prohecy til the end of time. .

Satan the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder (Limbo) after. His only voice as a the king of false prophets, (oral traditons dying mankind) false apostles (antichrists')

An evil generation looks to the lying signs and wonders of the father of lies .They (faithless) made Jesus into a circus seal more than once

."Do a trick, . . perform a miracle" then when we see with our own eyes we will believe for a twinkle .

John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.


John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

Baptism is the work of the Holy Spirit pouring out His Spirit life in jeapordy of his own Spirit life on dying flesh and blood (Jesus the Son of man )

Giving us his faithful understanding to rightly divide the parable.(drink blood eat flesh ) Using the temporal dying things seen (water and blood) to represent the unseen work of Christ in us .


John 6 :53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

 

[BillyBob65]

Paul describes all there is to know about the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38) in Romans chapter six read what he say about those baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and lets discuss what Paul taught on the subject.

 

[JesusFan]

It is a fact beyond dispute that the covenant made with Abraham included the infant offspring of Abraham. This is just saying that the church under the Old Testament included not only all those who were of sufficient age and intelligence to confess the true religion but also their infant seed. Infants received the sign of circumcision. It was administered to them by divine command (Genesis 17:10-12). And circumcision was the sign and seal of the covenant administered to Abraham.

The new Covenant was brand new, and the ONLY persons under it who were commanded to receive water baptism were those who had received Jesus as Savior and Lord

 

[BillyBob65]

The new Covenant was brand new, and the ONLY persons under it who were commanded to receive water baptism were those who had received Jesus as Savior and Lord

Just curious why were they commanded to be baptized? where do you find the book chapter and verse for the answer?

 

[Carbon]

Just curious why were they commanded to be baptized? where do you find the book chapter and verse for the answer?

Curious of this concern about baptism? Do you believe one has to believe and be baptized in order to be saved?
Or do you agree with scripture we are saved by grace, through faith?

Ephesians 2:8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

 

[BillyBob65]

Curious of this concern about baptism? Do you believe one has to believe and be baptized in order to be saved?
Or do you agree with scripture we are saved by grace, through faith?

Ephesians 2:8. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

I agree with both the scriptures that say saved by grace saved by faith believe and be baptized repent and be baptized in Christ name for the forgiveness of sin that baptism puts on Christ but you seem to only select a few that you think trumps the others you have to trust in all and accept the whole of God's word harmonizing them to get the complete truth and not making a few trump the the rest of God's word. I know this is going to be hard for you to get but did you ever stop to think that baptism is part of the grace? Read Romans chapter six.

 

[Carbon]

I agree with both the scriptures that say saved by grace saved by faith believe and be baptized repent and be baptized in Christ name for the forgiveness of sin that baptism puts on Christ but you seem to only select a few that you think trumps the others you have to trust in all and accept the whole of God's word harmonizing them to get the complete truth and not making a few trump the the rest of God's word. I know this is going to be hard for you to get but did you ever stop to think that baptism is part of the grace? Read Romans chapter six.

I understand what you think now, though I can't agree with you. Assuming you believe in baptismal regeneration.
But plain and simple, if you put anything else alongside Christ for salvation, or put something before him, or even Christ plus, then the gospel is not followed. It is a different gospel.

It is Christ alone. Jesus said to be baptized; therefore, we get baptized. Baptism does not save.

And I am sorry to disappoint you, but I do not read a few verses here and there and select what I believe trumps things. I study scripture, keeping it in "context," friend. I put away those childish practices years ago. So, things are not as they seem to you.

It will probably do you good (if you care) to get to know some of us before making such an insulting remark.

 

[BillyBob65]

I understand what you think now, though I can't agree with you. Assuming you believe in baptismal regeneration.
But plain and simple, if you put anything else alongside Christ for salvation, or put something before him, or even Christ plus, then the gospel is not followed. It is a different gospel.

It is Christ alone. Jesus said to be baptized; therefore, we get baptized. Baptism does not save.

And I am sorry to disappoint you, but I do not read a few verses here and there and select what I believe trumps things. I study scripture, keeping it in "context," friend. I put away those childish practices years ago. So, things are not as they seem to you.

It will probably do you good (if you care) to get to know some of us before making such an insulting remark.

Read Romans chapter six then come back and tell me what we are buried with him in and please tell me what you think the gospel is if not the death burial and resurrection and tell me what verse 17 is talking about

 

[Carbon]

Read Romans chapter six then come back and tell me what we are buried with him in and please tell me what you think the gospel is if not the death burial and resurrection and tell me what verse 17 is talking about

Welcome again @BillyBob65, hope you enjoy.

 

[BillyBob65]

Welcome again @BillyBob65, hope you enjoy.

Thank you yes I enjoy seeing the truth of God's word