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Are you born again ? Then here you are...

That is not what that verse says. Even many, perhaps most, Reformed commentators read that as faithfulness not faith.
The verse says faith is a fruit of the Spirit Gal 5:22

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
The greek word is πίστις:
faith (239x), assurance (1x), believe (with G1537) (1x), belief (1x), them that believe (1x), fidelity (1x).

Its translated Faith 239 times
 
Spiritually dead men can walk, talk, think, read, eat, drink, love, hate, etc., etc. According to you the one thing they can't do is understand anything in God's word. What that really means is that you believe that God is incapable of communicating with a spiritually dead person. That of course is total nonsense.
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The natural man is spiritually dead and cannot raise himself to spiritual life. Only God can raise to life any form of death.
 
Where do you get such stuff? The OT is not the NT concealed. The OT is basically the Law of Moses and the NT is basically the Gospel. They are not at all the same. In fact, Paul goes to great lengths to differentiate the two.
What @Eleanor said is true. The NT interprets the OT and Paul, the other apostles and Jesus all quoted extensively from the OT to bring the two together as a unit, one (old) leading into the new as Jesus fulfilling the old. And to show that what was shadowed and prophesied in the OT is what was happening in Christ and the new covenant.
 
The Gospel wasnt concealed, unless one was lost, but Abraham had the Gospel Preached to him and he believed it Gal 3:8

8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

So Abe, Isaac, and Jacob and all the people of Faith heard and believed the Gospel of Christ
 
1 Cor 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness unto him; neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

The natural man is spiritually dead and cannot raise himself to spiritual life. Only God can raise to life any form of death.
That entire chapter, when properly understood, is Paul's defense of his divine revelation through the Holy Spirit. The "natural man" there is the ordinary person, born again or not, who is not divinely inspired. The "we" in that chapter are the divinely inspired apostles and prophets. Sorry Arial, but you are not one of those apostles or prophets. You, even if born again, are a natural man.
 
The Gospel was not preached in the OT. The Gospel is the mystery that Paul spoke of on several occasions, such as the following:

Rom_16:25 Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery which has been kept secret for long ages past,
It was justification by faith that was given to Abraham, not the Gospel. And by the way, faith comes before justification according to Paul's message concerning Abraham:

Rom 4:3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness."
 
That entire chapter, when properly understood, is Paul's defense of his divine revelation through the Holy Spirit. The "natural man" there is the ordinary person, born again or not, who is not divinely inspired. The "we" in that chapter are the divinely inspired apostles and prophets. Sorry Arial, but you are not one of those apostles or prophets. You, even if born again, are a natural man.
Paul was defending his apostleship in verses 1-12 though that is not all he was doing. He was laying down spiritual truths that were given to him. In verse 13 he says "And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual." Then hes says "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

So the natural man here is the one who is not spiritually alive. Paul states in verse 13 that he is imparting this wisdom from the Spirit to the spiritually alive he is writing to. Those born again.

Eph 2: 1-3 And you were dead in the tespasses and sins in which you onec walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience---among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wath, like the rest of mankind.

This is the natural man.

Verse 4-5 But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which He loved us, when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ---by grace you have been saved---


This is the spiritually alive man, the new creation in Christ.
 
Paul was defending his apostleship in verses 1-12 though that is not all he was doing. He was laying down spiritual truths that were given to him. In verse 13 he says "And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual." Then hes says "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."

So the natural man here is the one who is not spiritually alive. Paul states in verse 13 that he is imparting this wisdom from the Spirit to the spiritually alive he is writing to. Those born again.
Read it again. The "we" in verse 13 are the apostles and prophets, including Paul, who are being taught by the Spirit. You are not one of the "we". It is the apostles and Prophets to whom the Spirit is interpreting spiritual truths. They are the ones who are described there as spiritual.
 
Read it again. The "we" in verse 13 are the apostles and prophets, including Paul, who are being taught by the Spirit. You are not one of the "we". It is the apostles and Prophets to whom the Spirit is interpreting spiritual truths. They are the ones who are described there as spiritual.
And they are imparting them to believers, those who have been brought to life by the Spirit. Believers can understand them because they too have the Holy Spirit. Every believer is reborn of the Spirit. Don't work so hard to maintain your antipathy towards Calvinism, and the imputed sin of Adam, that you have to juggle the scriptures to fit. It is called confirmation bias. Everything that is written must be made to fit what you already believe, rather than actually caring what God is saying.
 
And they are imparting them to believers, those who have been brought to life by the Spirit. Believers can understand them because they too have the Holy Spirit. Every believer is reborn of the Spirit. Don't work so hard to maintain your antipathy towards Calvinism, and the imputed sin of Adam, that you have to juggle the scriptures to fit. It is called confirmation bias. Everything that is written must be made to fit what you already believe, rather than actually caring what God is saying.
1Co 1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints.....

Co 3:1 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people....
 
1Co 1:2 To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints.....

Co 3:1 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people....
Chopping passages up like that won't cut it. What you did was not only lose all context but made a contradiction in the two that you gave.
1 Cor 3:1-4 But I, brothers, could not address you as spiritual people, but as people of the flesh, as infants in Christ. I fed you with mill, not solid food, for our were not ready for it. And even now you are not yet ready, for you are still of the flesh. For while there is jealousy and strife among you, are you not of the flesh and behaving only in a human way? For when one says, "I follow Paul," and another, "I follow Apollo." are you not being merely human?

The entire book is Paul correcting a number of things in that church that did not align with Christian behavior. He is dealing with their immaturity. He is not saying they were not believers or that they did not have the Holy Spirit, or that they could not understand spiritual things. He was saying they were acting like the rest of the world instead of children of God.
 
Chopping passages up like that won't cut it.
Okay.


1 Corinthians 2:14-16 (NASB) reads, “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.”

What shall we say about 1 Corinthians 2:14-16? These verses are almost always cited as teaching illumination, and as affirming the need for it based on the total depravity of the unsaved. The key point is the contrast between the “natural man,” who “cannot understand” the things of the Spirit, and the “spiritual” man, who CAN understand them. The usual interpretation is that the “natural man” is the totally-depraved, unregenerate person, and the “spiritual” man is the one who has been regenerated and enlightened by the Holy Spirit. Thus this passage is also used to prove the Calvinist doctrine of total depravity and the need for irresistible grace, both of which are key essential doctrines of Calvinism. This is a serious misunderstanding of these verses; it is based on a complete ignoring of the context in which the verses appear. Here Paul is addressing the divisions in the Corinthian church (see 1:10ff.), which were related in part to excessive loyalty to specific individuals, including Paul himself (1:12). In addressing this problem Paul attempts to put his own place in Christ’s kingdom into proper perspective. In so doing he finds it necessary to defend his apostolic authority over against his critics (4:3-5; 9:1ff.), while at the same time humbly admitting that he possessed no great earthly talent or charisma or claim to fame (2:1-5). His apostolic authority rested not on human wisdom and great oratorical ability, but solely on the fact that the message he spoke was received from God. Paul declares that his message is the hidden wisdom of God that has been shrouded in mystery (2:7), a wisdom that cannot be discovered and known by natural means (2:8-9). But Paul and God’s other inspired spokesmen knew this wisdom, because God revealed it to them through the Holy Spirit (2:10a), who alone knows the things (Greek, “ta”) that are in the mind of God (2:10b-11). This is the very same Spirit of God that we have received, says Paul, so that WE (apostles) may know these things (“ta”) that are hidden (2:12). These are the things we have spoken to you, in words taught to us by the Spirit himself (2:13).

(In these first chapters of 1 Corinthians, Paul uses first person [I, we] to refer to inspired apostles and prophets who received revelation and spoke inspired messages from the Holy Spirit. He uses second person [you] to refer to the Corinthians and Christians in general. This is VERY important.)

The next three verses (2:14-16) are a continuation of Paul’s defense of his apostolic authority. He is not a natural man, but a spiritual man, he says. The designation “natural man” has nothing to do with moral qualities; it is not a synonym for sinful, depraved, or unregenerate. (The NIV translation, “the man without the Spirit,” is inexcusably misleading.) This phrase refers rather to one who is limited to merely natural or human abilities and resources, as contrasted with one who is endowed with the Holy Spirit and his supernatural gifts of revelation and inspiration. A natural man does not have access to “the things” (“ta”) of the Spirit of God (2:14a). “The thoughts of God” in 2:11 (NASB, NIV) are literally “the things [“ta”] of God”; these are “the things [“ta”] freely given to us [apostles] by God” (2:12).

A natural man—one without revelation from the Spirit—“cannot understand” these things (2:14b). The word translated “understand” is “ginosko.” But “understand” is not a good translation here; the more usual meaning, “know,” is much better. I.e., the natural man cannot KNOW the kinds of things I am revealing to you. The issue is not whether he can understand them, but whether he is even aware of them. Paul says he cannot know them, i.e., he is not aware of them. Why not? Because only the Holy Spirit KNOWS (“ginosko”) the things (“ta”) of God (2:11). These secret things can be discerned only by the Holy Spirit, and by those to whom the Spirit has revealed them, i.e., the “spiritual” man in 2:15a. Paul is such a “spiritual” man, endowed by the Spirit with revealed knowledge and with the words by which to speak it. Thus you cannot sit in judgment on me, says Paul (2:15b; “appraise” in the NASB). Why not? Because I am speaking words which ultimately come from the mind of Christ himself! Only if you, too, have such access to the mind of Christ can you sit in judgment on me (2:16; see 4:3-5).

These verses (2:14-16) thus follow directly upon the flow of thought in 2:1-13. The content of verses 10-13 interprets the content of verses 14-16. There is nothing here about total depravity, and nothing about the necessity for the Spirit’s regeneration of sinners through irresistible grace, and nothing about His illumination of Christians. Paul applies it all to himself in the concluding words of 2:16: “But we have the mind of Christ” (“WE” meaning himself and other inspired apostles and prophets).

Most of this can be found in “Power from on High: What the Bible Says About the Holy Spirit,” by Jock Cottrell.
 
The usual interpretation is that the “natural man” is the totally-depraved, unregenerate person, and the “spiritual” man is the one who has been regenerated and enlightened by the Holy Spirit. Thus this passage is also used to prove the Calvinist doctrine of total depravity and the need for irresistible grace, both of which are key essential doctrines of Calvinism.
The person that wrote what you posted is obvious coming from your same point of view or the one you have adopted. So anti Calvinist. The problem right here is the statement that it is used by Calvinist, and interpreted by them for the sole purpose of proving total depravity and the need for irresistible grace. That is not true. The Reformers did not come into the scriptures to this scripture to arrive at those doctrines. Rather this scripture is interpreted in accordance with what the scriptures in other places tells us about the utter fall of man in Adam, including His will and his actions, and what they tell us about mankind being at enmity with God. And it is that doctrine along with the doctrine of God---who He reveals Himself to be in all of scripture, and the ways in which He interacts and relates to humanity, the doctrine of Christ and His atoning work on the cross----that leads to election and grace that effectual in raising the spiritually dead to spiritual life.

Take Reformed theology completely out of the picture and 1 Cor and those passages quoted are still saying the same thing. You must find that by knowing and remembering all that is said in scripture about the believer being a new creation in Christ; of being buried with Him and raised to life in Him; of being transformed into His image; of being indwelt and sealed by the Holy Spirit; of the spiritually dead being made spiritually alive in Him.

Besides all logic blows right out the window when one says all those things applied only to the apostles, and that the saints are the natural man who can't understand spiritual things. If they can't understand spiritual things, why is Paul, Jesus, or anyone else teaching them the things the Holy Spirit revealed to them? So to get around that, it is said
A natural man—one without revelation from the Spirit—“cannot understand” these things (2:14b). The word translated “understand” is “ginosko.” But “understand” is not a good translation here; the more usual meaning, “know,” is much better. I.e., the natural man cannot KNOW the kinds of things I am revealing to you.
The weakest weapon of all and the one most used to promote things that aren't true so you won't have to believe what is true. Just say it is not a good translation, and here is the better translation. (Better only because it gives the illusion of putting logic back where there is none.)
There is nothing here about total depravity, and nothing about the necessity for the Spirit’s regeneration of sinners through irresistible grace, and nothing about His illumination of Christians. Paul applies it all to himself in the concluding words of 2:16: “But we have the mind of Christ” (“WE” meaning himself and other inspired apostles and prophets).
All he is doing here is announcing his motives in reworking the scriptures. Utter depravity and the Spirit's regeneration and effectual grace are dealt with aptly in other places. Do you or the author use these scriptures to deny utter depravity etc.? That is yet another misuse of the book.
 
Okay.

1 Corinthians 2:14-16 (NASB) reads, “But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For who has known the mind of the Lord, that he will instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.”
What shall we say about 1 Corinthians 2:14-16? These verses are almost always cited as teaching illumination, and as affirming the need for it based on the total depravity of the unsaved. The key point is the contrast between the “natural man,” who “cannot understand” the things of the Spirit, and the “spiritual” man, who CAN understand them. The usual interpretation is that the “natural man” is the totally-depraved, unregenerate person, and the “spiritual” man is the one who has been regenerated and enlightened by the Holy Spirit. Thus this passage is also used to prove the Calvinist doctrine of total depravity and the need for irresistible grace, both of which are key essential doctrines of Calvinism.
This is a serious misunderstanding of these verses;
Then you are unacquainted with Paul's use of
flesh,
natural body,
sinful nature,
spiritual,
spiritual body,
spiritual death,
old man,
new man
which covers a lot of Corinthians.
it is based on a complete ignoring of the context in which the verses appear. Here Paul is addressing the divisions in the Corinthian church (see 1:10ff.), which were related in part to excessive loyalty to specific individuals, including Paul himself (1:12). In addressing this problem Paul attempts to put his own place in Christ’s kingdom into proper perspective. In so doing he finds it necessary to defend his apostolic authority over against his critics (4:3-5; 9:1ff.), while at the same time humbly admitting that he possessed no great earthly talent or charisma or claim to fame (2:1-5). His apostolic authority rested not on human wisdom and great oratorical ability, but solely on the fact that the message he spoke was received from God. Paul declares that his message is the hidden wisdom of God that has been shrouded in mystery (2:7), a wisdom that cannot be discovered and known by natural means (2:8-9). But Paul and God’s other inspired spokesmen knew this wisdom, because God revealed it to them through the Holy Spirit (2:10a), who alone knows the things (Greek, “ta”) that are in the mind of God (2:10b-11). This is the very same Spirit of God that we have received, says Paul, so that WE (apostles) may know these things (“ta”) that are hidden (2:12). These are the things we have spoken to you, in words taught to us by the Spirit himself (2:13).

(In these first chapters of 1 Corinthians, Paul uses first person [I, we] to refer to inspired apostles and prophets who received revelation and spoke inspired messages from the Holy Spirit. He uses second person [you] to refer to the Corinthians and Christians in general. This is VERY important.)

The next three verses (2:14-16) are a continuation of Paul’s defense of his apostolic authority. He is not a natural man, but a spiritual man, he says. The designation “natural man” has nothing to do with moral qualities; it is not a synonym for sinful, depraved, or unregenerate. (The NIV translation, “the man without the Spirit,” is inexcusably misleading.) This phrase refers rather to one who is limited to merely natural or human abilities and resources, as contrasted with one who is endowed with the Holy Spirit and his supernatural gifts of revelation and inspiration. A natural man does not have access to “the things” (“ta”) of the Spirit of God (2:14a). “The thoughts of God” in 2:11 (NASB, NIV) are literally “the things [“ta”] of God”; these are “the things [“ta”] freely given to us [apostles] by God” (2:12).

A natural man—one without revelation from the Spirit—“cannot understand” these things (2:14b). The word translated “understand” is “ginosko.” But “understand” is not a good translation here; the more usual meaning, “know,” is much better. I.e., the natural man cannot KNOW the kinds of things I am revealing to you. The issue is not whether he can understand them, but whether he is even aware of them. Paul says he cannot know them, i.e., he is not aware of them. Why not? Because only the Holy Spirit KNOWS (“ginosko”) the things (“ta”) of God (2:11). These secret things can be discerned only by the Holy Spirit, and by those to whom the Spirit has revealed them, i.e., the “spiritual” man in 2:15a. Paul is such a “spiritual” man, endowed by the Spirit with revealed knowledge and with the words by which to speak it. Thus you cannot sit in judgment on me, says Paul (2:15b; “appraise” in the NASB). Why not? Because I am speaking words which ultimately come from the mind of Christ himself! Only if you, too, have such access to the mind of Christ can you sit in judgment on me (2:16; see 4:3-5).

These verses (2:14-16) thus follow directly upon the flow of thought in 2:1-13. The content of verses 10-13 interprets the content of verses 14-16. There is nothing here about total depravity, and nothing about the necessity for the Spirit’s regeneration of sinners through irresistible grace, and nothing about His illumination of Christians. Paul applies it all to himself in the concluding words of 2:16: “But we have the mind of Christ” (“WE” meaning himself and other inspired apostles and prophets).

Most of this can be found in “Power from on High: What the Bible Says About the Holy Spirit,” by Jock Cottrell.
 
The person that wrote what you posted is obvious coming from your same point of view or the one you have adopted. So anti Calvinist.
Given the even few days I have been at this forum, did you expect a pro-Calvinist view? I could say that to be biblical is to be anti Calvinist, but I won'.t:)
 
The weakest weapon of all and the one most used to promote things that aren't true so you won't have to believe what is true. Just say it is not a good translation, and here is the better translation. (Better only because it gives the illusion of putting logic back where there is none.)
You should tattoo that on your arm and read it back every time you post anything pro-Calvinist. I always enjoy John Gill's commentary, which I refer to often, because I know when he says anything like, "not that this or that", I know that he is going to give the unbiblical explanation that lines up with his Calvinist view of things.
 
Given the even few days I have been at this forum, did you expect a pro-Calvinist view? I could say that to be biblical is to be anti Calvinist, but I won'.t:)
I'm curious. The only "ist" I subscribe to is "Paulist."

Drop one "Calvinist" view on me that you think is not Scriptural. I would like to examine it in the light of my Paulist understanding.
 
I'm curious. The only "ist" I subscribe to is "Paulist."

Drop one "Calvinist" view on me that you think is not Scriptural. I would like to examine it in the light of my Paulist understanding.
Total depravity.
 
But I forgot the Bible out of context is “catholic” the Bible in context it’s “Protestant”
Although "Protestants", in many cases, do just as much, if not MORE violence to the Biblical texts as Catholics (Roman and otherwise) do.

"Protestant", in reality, means nothing more than: "Ain't Catholic".
 
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