Are all men redeemed?

[Mr GLee]

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Apostolic succession: apostles must remain till Christ returns Matt 28:19-20

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission!

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!

They have authority to send others as well until Christ returns in glory!

apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!

Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of jurisdictional authority! Open and shut And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments for the forgiveness of sin.


The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

Apostles "sent messenger". How beautiful are the feet that bring the gospel message

You could say I am my wife's favorite apostle .Sending me a mission to the supermarket with a written letter describing exactly what she desires, not adding or subtracting. Finishing the mission by wife gives me a golden star on the calendar

I dont think its that difficult. How does the the living abiding word of God define the word "apostle?" You keep avoiding it it sems for some reason or other ?

Do the apostles turn into what some call "patron saints" and the living non-venerable must seek after the dead, called necromancy?

 

[Mr GLee]

The question is absurd. If any man is redeemed, it is by Christ.

Why frame the question to force a false yes or no?

I would offer . How are they redeemed" In purgatory?

 

[Josheb]

Julian the apostate!

@donadams the poster of irrelevancy!

Jn 3:16 whomsoever all!

Yes, that is a conditional statement predicated on belief and belief, or faith, is a gift from God, it is not of ourselves lest anyone boast (Eph. 2:8-9).

The redemption gained the possibility of the access!

Perhaps, but you have yet to prove that. The evidence, so far, is that you post verses that do not actually state anything about redemption and you reason through them fancifully. You were asked very specific questions, not generic non-specific questions. You've failed to answer them. You did the same thing in the ES op. The pattern leads me to conclude there is a lack of sincerity and no interest in discussing anything op-relevant.

 

[makesends]

I would offer . How are they redeemed" In purgatory?

Not according to Scripture. Just another example of the unscriptural "authority of the church".

 

[donadams]

So then not quite redeemed? Was Mary redeemed or again not quite. ?

Where do you find the idea of temporal punishment if someone sins after baptism? Did Peter sin after baptism? Are there patron saints in purgatory?

Believers receive the end of their new born -again faith the gift of Christ's labor of love from the beginning, No suffering after dead.

1st Peter1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days, in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions;

33 Partly, whilst ye were made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions; and partly, whilst ye became companions of them that were so used.

34 For ye had compassion of me in my bonds, and took joyfully the spoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in heaven a better and an enduring substance.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

 

[donadams]

That's nice but it does not answer the question asked. If nothing can snatch a person from Christ's hand (which is what you said), and God's promises are absolute and God is always faithful (which is also what you said), then nothing a person in Christ's grasp does AND nothing a person does not do can snatch a person form Christ's hand. If nothing can snatch a person from Christ's hand, then free will cannot snatch a person from Christ's hand. Nothing can do that. The word "nothing" means nothing.

Can you find a record of a saint, someone in Christ's hand, denying Christ and losing his/her salvation anywhere in the New Testament?

Not in scripture but there’s Luther Calvin and the so called reformers!

 

[Mr GLee]

26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

What is that supposed to mean.? We know the subject matter. Mankind dies without sola scriptura called the Law of Moses

The received sola scriptura but did not take it into their soul.They had no power to perform the loving commandments, they rather served the oral traditions of a legion of dying fathers

 

[donadams]

The question is absurd. If any man is redeemed, it is by Christ.

Why frame the question to force a false yes or no?

Then all men are redeemed and can choose by faith and baptism to be justified!

 

[donadams]

Apostles "sent messenger". How beautiful are the feet that bring the gospel message

You could say I am my wife's favorite apostle .Sending me a mission to the supermarket with a written letter describing exactly what she desires, not adding or subtracting. Finishing the mission by wife gives me a golden star on the calendar

I dont think its that difficult. How does the the living abiding word of God define the word "apostle?" You keep avoiding it it sems for some reason or other ?

Do the apostles turn into what some call "patron saints" and the living non-venerable must seek after the dead, called necromancy?

No dead saints sorry!

Matthew 22:32
I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

Jn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

Luther is the patron saint of heretics!

 

[donadams]

What is that supposed to mean.? We know the subject matter. Mankind dies without sola scriptura called the Law of Moses

The received sola scriptura but did not take it into their soul.They had no power to perform the loving commandments, they rather served the oral traditions of a legion of dying fathers

You asked

 

[Josheb]

Can you find a record of a saint, someone in Christ's hand, denying Christ and losing his/her salvation anywhere in the New Testament?

Not in scripture but there’s Luther Calvin and the so called reformers!

I did not ask for "Luther, Calvin, and the so called reformers." I asked for scripture. Post 46 says no record of any saint denying Christ and losing his/her salvation can be found anywhere in the New Testament.

Given the fact you've gone on record stating NOTHING can wrest someone from Christ's grasp AND given the fact scripture never reports any saint ever denying Jesus and losing his or her salvation AND given the fact you have yet to provide a single verse in the Bible explicitly stating all men are redeemed AND have yet to make that case without obfuscating the matter with other matters (justification, sanctification, etc.) AND express views completely consistent with the Reformed answer to the question asked, AND refuse to answer questions directly related to the self-evident lack of ability to exegete scripture....

• Not one scripture explicitly stating all men are redeemed has been posted in answer to the first question asked about this op.
• None of the verses you've posted actually say all men are redeemed and most of them never mention redemption at all.
• None of the verses you've posted actually state what you say they say.
• The simplest, most valid and op-relevant, questions have gone unanswered.
• The critically important fact Christ is sufficient for all to be redeemed but clearly not all are saved has been ignored.
• Multiple digressions have been posted that serve only to obfuscate what should be a conversation readily and easily had.
• Many of your own op-relevant and digressive statements perfectly reconcile with the Reformed answer to the question asked (including those in the next two pints) but there's no acknowledgement of common ground or consensus.
• The New Testament never provides any precedent for any saint ever denying Christ.
• The New Testament never provides any precedent for any saint losing his salvation.

Given the facts in evidence, it is appropriate to ask what the goal of this opening post is because it is nowhere evident a genuine interest in the answer to the question asked exists!

What's the goal of this op?

 

[donadams]

I did not ask for "Luther, Calvin, and the so called reformers." I asked for scripture. Post 46 says no record of any saint denying Christ and losing his/her salvation can be found anywhere in the New Testament.

Given the fact you've gone on record stating NOTHING can wrest someone from Christ's grasp AND given the fact scripture never reports any saint ever denying Jesus and losing his or her salvation AND given the fact you have yet to provide a single verse in the Bible explicitly stating all men are redeemed AND have yet to make that case without obfuscating the matter with other matters (justification, sanctification, etc.) AND express views completely consistent with the Reformed answer to the question asked, AND refuse to answer questions directly related to the self-evident lack of ability to exegete scripture....

• Not one scripture explicitly stating all men are redeemed has been posted in answer to the first question asked about this op.
• None of the verses you've posted actually say all men are redeemed and most of them never mention redemption at all.
• None of the verses you've posted actually state what you say they say.
• The simplest, most valid and op-relevant, questions have gone unanswered.
• The critically important fact Christ is sufficient for all to be redeemed but clearly not all are saved has been ignored.
• Multiple digressions have been posted that serve only to obfuscate what should be a conversation readily and easily had.
• Many of your own op-relevant and digressive statements perfectly reconcile with the Reformed answer to the question asked (including those in the next two pints) but there's no acknowledgement of common ground or consensus.
• The New Testament never provides any precedent for any saint ever denying Christ.
• The New Testament never provides any precedent for any saint losing his salvation.

Given the facts in evidence, it is appropriate to ask what the goal of this opening post is because it is nowhere evident a genuine interest in the answer to the question asked exists!

What's the goal of this op?

What about rev 2:13?

I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Faithful antipas!

 

[donadams]

I did not ask for "Luther, Calvin, and the so called reformers." I asked for scripture. Post 46 says no record of any saint denying Christ and losing his/her salvation can be found anywhere in the New Testament.

Given the fact you've gone on record stating NOTHING can wrest someone from Christ's grasp AND given the fact scripture never reports any saint ever denying Jesus and losing his or her salvation AND given the fact you have yet to provide a single verse in the Bible explicitly stating all men are redeemed AND have yet to make that case without obfuscating the matter with other matters (justification, sanctification, etc.) AND express views completely consistent with the Reformed answer to the question asked, AND refuse to answer questions directly related to the self-evident lack of ability to exegete scripture....

• Not one scripture explicitly stating all men are redeemed has been posted in answer to the first question asked about this op.
• None of the verses you've posted actually say all men are redeemed and most of them never mention redemption at all.
• None of the verses you've posted actually state what you say they say.
• The simplest, most valid and op-relevant, questions have gone unanswered.
• The critically important fact Christ is sufficient for all to be redeemed but clearly not all are saved has been ignored.
• Multiple digressions have been posted that serve only to obfuscate what should be a conversation readily and easily had.
• Many of your own op-relevant and digressive statements perfectly reconcile with the Reformed answer to the question asked (including those in the next two pints) but there's no acknowledgement of common ground or consensus.
• The New Testament never provides any precedent for any saint ever denying Christ.
• The New Testament never provides any precedent for any saint losing his salvation.

Given the facts in evidence, it is appropriate to ask what the goal of this opening post is because it is nowhere evident a genuine interest in the answer to the question asked exists!

What's the goal of this op?

Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Or eternal security?

 

[Josheb]

Let's try some verses that do actually use the word "redeemed."

Galatians 3:10-14 ESV
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us — for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree” — so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

To whom does the "us" in that verse refer?

Galatians 4:1-7
Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything, but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that he might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" Therefore, you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.

Who does that verse say might get redeemed?

Titus 2:11-15
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

Particularly curious passage since it says God's grace has appeared bringing salvation to all men, when clearly not all men are saved (or will be). To whom does the "us" in the bold-faced verse refer?

1 Peter 1:17-21
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. For he was foreknown before the foundation of the world but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

To whom does the "you" in that verse refer?

Are these audience identifiers already-saved saints, or do they refer to all people (including the atheists denying the existence of God, Jesus, sin, and salvation)?

 

[Josheb]

What about rev 2:13?

I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Faithful antipas!

Heb 10:39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Or eternal security?

I am not chasing you around the forum while you leap from verse to verse to verse to verse ad nauseam in a desperate effort to answer what should be easily and readily answered questions. Neither am I going to chase you around the forum as you digress and obfuscate, refusing to stick to the single subjects f your own ops without ever resolving the simplest matters in any of your threads.

Revelation 2:13 does not state those people were redeemed. It does not use the word "redeemed" at all! Yes, that verse is included in a letter written to the Church in Pergamum, but it explicitly states the dwell where Satan's throne is NOT where Christ's throne is. Unless you are now going to argue Satan has a throne in the Church and the resurrection (the throne of Christ is the resurrection, according to Acts 2:30), then everyone's time is being wasted and a profound incompetency handling scripture is demonstrated. The word "redeemed" cannot be found in any of its conjugations anywhere in the entire chapter.

However, if you believe you can make that case then I am all eyes. Post that case.

I do not know what Post 53 was intended to prove but that verse actually states the "we" are those that believe to the saving of the soul! It says nothing in answer to the question, "Are all men redeemed." That verse does not mention "redeemed," at all and neither is the word found anywhere in the entire 10th chapter of Hebrews.

Three pages of posts, most of them yours, @donadams, and few if any of them even use the word "redeemed" in any of its conjugations, and none of them stating all men are redeemed. You cannot possibly be this inept handling scripture and presume to tell others what and how to believe.




Are you going to discuss whether or not all men are redeemed or are you going to discuss eternal security in this thread? I encourage and exhort you to discuss the subject of eternal security in the thread you started on that subject and here in this thread confine your contributions to the discussion of whether or not all men are redeemed.

 

[donadams]

Let's try some verses that do actually use the word "redeemed."

Galatians 3:10-14 ESV
For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.” But the law is not of faith, rather “The one who does them shall live by them.” Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us — for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree” — so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

To whom does the "us" in that verse refer?

Galatians 4:1-7
Now I say, as long as the heir is a child, he does not differ at all from a slave although he is owner of everything, but he is under guardians and managers until the date set by the father. So also we, while we were children, were held in bondage under the elemental things of the world. But when the fullness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law, so that he might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. Because you are sons, God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!" Therefore, you are no longer a slave, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.

Who does that verse say might get redeemed?

Titus 2:11-15
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, instructing us to deny ungodliness and worldly desires and to live sensibly, righteously and godly in the present age, looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus, who gave Himself for us to redeem us from every lawless deed, and to purify for Himself a people for His own possession, zealous for good deeds. These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no one disregard you.

Particularly curious passage since it says God's grace has appeared bringing salvation to all men, when clearly not all men are saved (or will be). To whom does the "us" in the bold-faced verse refer?

1 Peter 1:17-21
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one's work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ. For he was foreknown before the foundation of the world but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God.

To whom does the "you" in that verse refer?

Are these audience identifiers already-saved saints, or do they refer to all people (including the atheists denying the existence of God, Jesus, sin, and salvation)?

I was referring to redemption in general or from the fall of Adam not the law refer rom 5

 

[donadams]

I am not chasing you around the forum while you leap from verse to verse to verse to verse ad nauseam in a desperate effort to answer what should be easily and readily answered questions. Neither am I going to chase you around the forum as you digress and obfuscate, refusing to stick to the single subjects f your own ops without ever resolving the simplest matters in any of your threads.

Revelation 2:13 does not state those people were redeemed. It does not use the word "redeemed" at all! Yes, that verse is included in a letter written to the Church in Pergamum, but it explicitly states the dwell where Satan's throne is NOT where Christ's throne is. Unless you are now going to argue Satan has a throne in the Church and the resurrection (the throne of Christ is the resurrection, according to Acts 2:30), then everyone's time is being wasted and a profound incompetency handling scripture is demonstrated. The word "redeemed" cannot be found in any of its conjugations anywhere in the entire chapter.

However, if you believe you can make that case then I am all eyes. Post that case.

I do not know what Post 53 was intended to prove but that verse actually states the "we" are those that believe to the saving of the soul! It says nothing in answer to the question, "Are all men redeemed." That verse does not mention "redeemed," at all and neither is the word found anywhere in the entire 10th chapter of Hebrews.

Three pages of posts, most of them yours, @donadams, and few if any of them even use the word "redeemed" in any of its conjugations, and none of them stating all men are redeemed. You cannot possibly be this inept handling scripture and presume to tell others what and how to believe.




Are you going to discuss whether or not all men are redeemed or are you going to discuss eternal security in this thread? I encourage and exhort you to discuss the subject of eternal security in the thread you started on that subject and here in this thread confine your contributions to the discussion of whether or not all men are redeemed.

Sorry I thought we were on eternal security

Too many forums and subjects and I have other sites too

Thks

But if antipas was faithful someone could be unfaithful too

 

[Josheb]

Let's try a few more verses that actually, explicitly, speak about redemption.

Luke 1:67-79
And his father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied, saying, “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people and has raised up a horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David, as he spoke by the mouth of his holy prophets from of old, that we should be saved from our enemies and from the hand of all who hate us; to show the mercy promised to our fathers and to remember his holy covenant, the oath that he swore to our father Abraham, to grant us that we, being delivered from the hand of our enemies, might serve him without fear, in holiness and righteousness before him all our days. And you, child, will be called the prophet of the Most High; for you will go before the Lord to prepare his ways, to give knowledge of salvation to his people in the forgiveness of their sins, because of the tender mercy of our God, whereby the sunrise shall visit us from on high to give light to those who sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.”

Who does the verse state God redeemed?

Romans 3:21-26
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction; for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus; whom God displayed publicly as a propitiation in His blood through faith. This was to demonstrate His righteousness, because in the forbearance of God He passed over the sins previously committed; for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

To whom does the verse say "the redemption which is in Christ" applies?

Ephesians 1:3-10
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we would be holy and blameless before Him. In love He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will, to the praise of the glory of His grace, which He freely bestowed on us in the Beloved. In him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight he made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His kind intention which He purposed in him with a view to an administration suitable to the fullness of the times, that is, the summing up of all things in Christ, things in the heavens and things on the earth.

About whom does the "we" in that verse refer?

Colossians 1:13-14
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

To whom does the "we" in that verse refer?

 

[Josheb]

I was referring to redemption in general or from the fall of Adam not the law refer rom 5

That's not an answer to my question.

I was referring to redemption in general or from the fall of Adam not the law refer rom 5

Nothing in Post 54 refers specifically to Romans 5. Not a single one of those non-Romans passages is about the Law" defined in Romans 5. The law to which Paul was referring is stated in the passage(s) = the law of sin and death (if you disobey God then you die). It goes all the way back to Eden and Adam's act of disobedience that caused us all the need for redemption.

I was referring to redemption in general or from the fall of Adam not the law refer rom 5

The redemption we are discussing is the redemption from sin (Col. 1:14), yes?

Colossians 1:13-14
For He rescued us from the domain of darkness and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

Yes?

 

[Josheb]

Sorry I thought we were on eternal security

Too many forums and subjects and I have other sites too

Thks

I understand. Happens to the best of us. Points awarded for honesty.

Now back to the subject of whether all are redeemed!

But if antipas was faithful someone could be unfaithful too

Sure. Lots of people are unfaithful. There are three problems with that question.

Faithfulness is not faith.
Faithfulness does not prove redemption.
Unfaithfulness does not prove redemption.

Maybe it's best if you just state your answer to the question asked in this op and then briefly and concisely post a summary elaborating on your answer. At this point (given the sloppiness with which scripture has been handled so far) I won't ask for scripture to support the explanation. Just repeat your answer to the question asked, "Are all men redeemed?" and elaborate succinctly.