Are all men redeemed?

[donadams]

And who are you to make such a statement?


I'll stick with God's word.

Then you would obey and believe the apostolic church as Christ commanded, to teach and sanctify all men unto eternal salvation? Matt 28:19 must hear the church Matt 18:17 the pillar of truth 1 Tim 3:15


Redemption :
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part. All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 eph 2:1-8 1 pet 1:21-23
God gives all men sufficient truth and grace for salvation.

Justification:
then if we accept His redemption we are justified, born again by faith and baptism. Mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 8:36 Titus 3:5 1 pet 3:21

Sanctification:
Members of Christ and his church by grace we practice good works (prayer, alms, fasting, virtues charity, suffering other sacraments etc. until death. Phil 1:29

Salvation:
Is for those who are faithful and die in the grace of God united to Christ and in his saints at death enter into eternal salvation! Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people, (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Jn 15:4 abide in Christ Matt 3:16 believes (present tense) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

Glorification:

Suffering required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

 

[donadams]

All redeemed, born again from above have Christ as their confidence to the very end . We are to have no , zero, nothing, nada confidence in dying flesh after the oral traditions of mankind

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

I hope he is your confidence also.

A two sided coin!

On God’s side His promises are absolute and God will always be faithful!

2 Tim 2:13


Our side of the coin has an if!
A big “if”!

Rom 11:22
Col 1:21-23
Col 2-5
Heb 12:22-25
Heb 6:4-9
Heb 3:4-6
Jn 2:24-25
2 Tim 2:11-13
Rom 8:17
Matt 28:20
Acts 1:2
Jn 15:4
Mk 13:13
Matt 24:14

We still have free will and can choose (volition) to reject Christ and the faith and renounce our baptism

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Thks

 

[donadams]

How does Limbo figure into all of that above ?

He mightily has redeemed us from all iniquities and purified unto himself His born again children.

If so why purgatory?Partial redemption an unknown amount? ?

Purge purgatory to satisfy divine justice for temporal punishment due to sins committed after baptism

 

[donadams]

All redeemed, born again from above have Christ as their confidence to the very end . We are to have no , zero, nothing, nada confidence in dying flesh after the oral traditions of mankind

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

I hope he is your confidence also.

133. Grace can be increased by good works.
134. The grace by which we are justified may be lost, and is lost by every grievous [mortal,
serious] sin.
135. By his good works the justified man really acquires a claim to supernatural reward from
God.
136. A just man merits for himself through each good work an increase of sanctifying grace,
eternal life (if he dies in a state of grace) and an increase of heavenly glory.

 

[Arial]

Purge purgatory to satisfy divine justice for temporal punishment due to sins committed after baptism

This is not the Catholic board.

 

[Carbon]

Then

Jesus Christ is not the redeemer of the human race in your understanding?

Thks

What part of what I replied don’t you understand?

 

[donadams]

This is not the Catholic board.

He asked?
And it is my thread

 

[donadams]

What part of what I replied don’t you understand?

Is Christ the redeemer of mankind no not?

 

[Josheb]

Sorry should be Lk 2:10 & 11
Vs 11 savior redeemer
All people
Jn 1:29 a redeemer takes away sin
Whole world
Jn 3:16 the whole world

Much better.

All men are redeemed by Christ and have the possibility of justification, sanctification, and salvation

Not so much better. Jesus taking away the sins of the world is not identical to Jesus taking away the sins of the world. Jesus' taking away the sins of the world is not identical to him purchasing a person. Neither can his taking away the sins fo the world be read to mean no more sin ever occurs after his crucifixion. The angel is in the detail.

Redemption :
The redemption was accomplished by Christ with no participation on our part.

Sounds exactly like what Calvin taught.

All mankind is redeemed.
Lk 2:11 Jn 1:29 rm 5:8 eph 2:1-8 1 pet 1:21-23
God gives all men sufficient truth and grace for salvation.

Once again, none of those texts state actually anything about Jesus redeeming all men. The entire chapter of Ephesians 2 never once mentions redemption and the 1 Peter 1 chapter mentions redemption only once and it's specifically about the saints.

Justification:
then if we...........................

All of which is off-topic. This op isn't about justification or sanctification or anything other than the one question: "Are all men redeemed?" It looks very much like you don't know the answer to your own question OR how scripture answers the question without having to read things into God's word it does not actually state. Let's try this one more time. Answer the question asked in the op, and do so as best you can with scripture that actually mentions redemption?


What does scripture state?


Can you provide a single statement in scripture that explicitly states an answer to the one question asked in this op? Not verses you interpret to say something they don't actually state. Not verses doctrinally inferred to say something they do not actually state. Something scripture actually, specifically, explicitly states n answer to the one question asked. Can you quote such a statement from the Bible?


What does scripture state?

 

[donadams]

Much better.

Not so much better. Jesus taking away the sins of the world is not identical to Jesus taking away the sins of the world. Jesus' taking away the sins of the world is not identical to him purchasing a person. Neither can his taking away the sins fo the world be read to mean no more sin ever occurs after his crucifixion. The angel is in the detail.

Sounds exactly like what Calvin taught.

Once again, none of those texts state actually anything about Jesus redeeming all men. The entire chapter of Ephesians 2 never once mentions redemption and the 1 Peter 1 chapter mentions redemption only once and it's specifically about the saints.

All of which is off-topic. This op isn't about justification or sanctification or anything other than the one question: "Are all men redeemed?" It looks very much like you don't know the answer to your own question OR how scripture answers the question without having to read things into God's word it does not actually state. Let's try this one more time. Answer the question asked in the op, and do so as best you can with scripture that actually mentions redemption?


What does scripture state?


Can you provide a single statement in scripture that explicitly states an answer to the one question asked in this op? Not verses you interpret to say something they don't actually state. Not verses doctrinally inferred to say something they do not actually state. Something scripture actually, specifically, explicitly states n answer to the one question asked. Can you quote such a statement from the Bible?


What does scripture state?

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

 

[Josheb]

A two sided coin!

On God’s side His promises are absolute and God will always be faithful!

2 Tim 2:13


Our side of the coin has an if!
A big “if”!

Rom 11:22
Col 1:21-23
Col 2-5
Heb 12:22-25
Heb 6:4-9
Heb 3:4-6
Jn 2:24-25
2 Tim 2:11-13
Rom 8:17
Matt 28:20
Acts 1:2
Jn 15:4
Mk 13:13
Matt 24:14

We still have free will and can choose (volition) to reject Christ and the faith and renounce our baptism

That's nice but it does not answer the question asked. If nothing can snatch a person from Christ's hand (which is what you said), and God's promises are absolute and God is always faithful (which is also what you said), then nothing a person in Christ's grasp does AND nothing a person does not do can snatch a person form Christ's hand. If nothing can snatch a person from Christ's hand, then free will cannot snatch a person from Christ's hand. Nothing can do that. The word "nothing" means nothing.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Thks

Can you find a record of a saint, someone in Christ's hand, denying Christ and losing his/her salvation anywhere in the New Testament?

 

[Josheb]

Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Where is the word "redeemed" in that sentence?

To whom was that sentence written?
About whom was that sentence written? (who is the "we" in that sentence?)
About whom was that sentence not written?

 

[Carbon]

Is Christ the redeemer of mankind no not?

I answered it with scripture.
I know Catholics don’t understand scripture, but come on now

 

[Mr GLee]

Purge purgatory to satisfy divine justice for temporal punishment due to sins committed after baptism

So then not quite redeemed? Was Mary redeemed or again not quite. ?

Where do you find the idea of temporal punishment if someone sins after baptism? Did Peter sin after baptism? Are there patron saints in purgatory?

Believers receive the end of their new born -again faith the gift of Christ's labor of love from the beginning, No suffering after dead.

1st Peter1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

 

[donadams]

That's nice but it does not answer the question asked. If nothing can snatch a person from Christ's hand (which is what you said), and God's promises are absolute and God is always faithful (which is also what you said), then nothing a person in Christ's grasp does AND nothing a person does not do can snatch a person form Christ's hand. If nothing can snatch a person from Christ's hand, then free will cannot snatch a person from Christ's hand. Nothing can do that. The word "nothing" means nothing.

Can you find a record of a saint, someone in Christ's hand, denying Christ and losing his/her salvation anywhere in the New Testament?

Julian the apostate!

Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Heb 10:35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompence of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

39 But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.

Thks

 

[donadams]

Where is the word "redeemed" in that sentence?

To whom was that sentence written?
About whom was that sentence written? (who is the "we" in that sentence?)
About whom was that sentence not written?

Jn 3:16 whomsoever all!

The redemption gained the possibility of the access!

 

[donadams]

I answered it with scripture.
I know Catholics don’t understand scripture, but come on now

We don’t? We wrote it by the light of the spirit!

 

[donadams]

I answered it with scripture.
I know Catholics don’t understand scripture, but come on now

“Christ founded a church to teach and sanctify all men unto
Eternal salvation”: Matt 28:28 Lk 1:4 acts 1:8, 2:42, 8:31 Jn 16:13, 20:21-23 Matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:16
1 Jn 1:4

Scripture Verses that contradict the “Bible is our ONLY AUTHORITY”!

Matt 5:14
Matt 6:33
Matt 13:11
Matt 18:17
Matt 28:19
Lk 1:4
Lk 10:16
Jn 8:32
Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21
Acts 1:8
Acts 2:42
Acts 8:26
Acts 8:31
Acts 15:25-28
Acts 18:25
Rom 10:15
1 cor 4:11
1 cor 11:23
1 thes 2:23
2 thes 2:15
Col 2:7
Eph 1:9
Eph 4:5
Heb 13:7
Heb 13:17
1 Tim 3:15
1 Jn 1:3-5
1 Jn 4:6
2 Jn 1:12
Jude 1:3

How can it be said scripture is “sole authority” or the only source of truth or the rule of faith when scripture says we must hear the church Matt 18:17 the apostles are the light of the world Matt 5:14 we must hold the doctrine of the apostles acts 2:42 the church is the pillar and ground of truth 1 Tim 3:15

The church and the apostles with power and authority were founded before the New Testament, and and exercised authority before the New Testament and taught before the new testament and wrote the New Testament and cannonized the Bible!

The apostolic church does not require scripture to know the truth! Jn 8:32 the apostolic church was taught by God in person for three years!

 

[donadams]

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42 1 Tim 3:15

Apostolic succession: apostles must remain till Christ returns Matt 28:19-20

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission!

Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!

They have authority to send others as well until Christ returns in glory!

apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!

Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of jurisdictional authority! Open and shut And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments for the forgiveness of sin.


The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32 Jn 15:5 eph 5:24

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

 

[makesends]

Is Christ the redeemer of mankind no not?

The question is absurd. If any man is redeemed, it is by Christ.

Why frame the question to force a false yes or no?