Are all men redeemed?

[CrowCross]

That's not correct. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Jesus taught the House of Israel their Law from God given through Moses to the children of Israel in the desert at the time of the Tabernacle.

There are non-Jews in the Old Testament who were saved.

Are you the Hebrew House of Israel?
No, you are not. So, Jesus' commandments don't apply to you unless you are the House of Israel (Hebrew.)
The Old Testament is a history of the seed of Abraham and details God's relationship with the seed of Abraham.
Are you the seed of Abraham? No, you are not. So, the "me," "you," and "us" doesn't apply to you.
Stop trying to steal Israel's inheritance. As Gentile you were never under the Law so stop trying to insert your Gentile butt into the Hebrew covenants. It's dishonest and proves you are a liar (Prov. 30:6), when you add to God's words in the bible.

I didn't steal any inheritance...Salvation was a gift given to me.

When will you receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

 

[grace2]

That is spoken to a people already in covenant and saved.
And to an unsaved person obeying His commandments does not save you.

There is no such thing as already saved.

Jesus says to be faithful until the end. and make every effort to get into the kingdom of God.

Come out of triune god worshipping church, friend.

they will lead you astray.

 

[donadams]

The word "world" is in context to whom Christ was given and He was given to the Hebrews/Jews as per covenant and prophecies in the OT. To us in English it can also apply to the planet, so did Christ die for the planet, too?
If there was another Greek word to encompass a'number' there would be a fifth Greek word translated "world" but there are only four Greek words by which they are translated "world." They are "kosmos" which is the Greek word in 3:16 and it means

Strong's: probably from the base of [#2865] (komizo); orderly arrangement, i.e. decoration; by implication the world (in a wide or narrow sense, including its inhabitant, literal or figurative [moral].)

So does it mean everyone because if Christ died for everyone then by virtue of His sacrifice, then everyone is saved - including the rich man in "hell." So, do you want to be the one to tell him he's in the wrong place? Or maybe it means "arrangement" or "decoration." Did Jesus die for the "arrangement" or "decoration"? Arrangement and decoration of what? No, it would have to apply to the inhabitants and again this means Jesus died for everyone ever born on the planet past, present, and future including the antichrist and false prophet. Universalism at its finest. Thank you Jesus.

That's the only way to take this word if you apply it including EVERYONE.
BUT if you take the word "world" in a limited sense in context to whom Jesus is speaking to: Nicodemus, a Jew, then it makes sense especially since Israel is in covenant with God and the world is not. The whole of the Law, Psalms, Prophets, the 37 'books' of the Old Testament is a history or the Hebrews, their covenants, their religion, their culture, and passages of Scripture prophesy a Deliverer being sent to the Hebrew people as Moses was sent to the Hebrew people (children of Israel), and Christ came to fulfill God's Law - not the world's law - and Christ was born under the Law to redeem those under the Law (Gal. 4:4) and the animal sacrifices atoned for one year the sins of the children of Israel, it makes bad hermeneutics and interpretation to change horses in mid-stream and all of a sudden Christ died for everyone born the whole world - including the antichrists, Hitler, Mao, Antiochus Epiphanies, Alexander the Great, Atilla the Hun - regardless that these barbarians never heard of Jesus, then you have a false doctrine in your head that has no precedent in Scripture and Scripture is broken. Something Jesus said can NEVER happen because God is orchestrating human history and will bring all His Word to fulfillment.
So, show me an OT Scripture that declares Gentiles are under the blood of the Mosaic covenant sacrificial system and then show me another to back that up.
Guess what? There are NONE. So, that teaching that Jesus died for everyone in the world including antichrist and the false prophet is heresy because Gentiles do not know Greek nor OT doctrine which states throughout the OT that God has salvation covenant with the Hebrew/Israel. Not the whole wide world.

Yes everyone but everyone is potentially saved
Redemption is just the first step in the process of salvation

Christ by His redemption makes salvation possible we must be justified by faith and baptism to be in Christ united to grace that sanctify’s

Redemption
Justification
Sanctification
Death
Purification
Glorification

Thks

 

[jeremiah1five]

There are non-Jews in the Old Testament who were saved.

ALL Hebrews (seed of Abraham) were 'kept' and were to be saved once atonement was provided for by Jesus Christ who died on a cross at Calvary. Every Hebrew and seed of Abraham was and is to be saved as part of their redemption covenant with God.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal. 3:23–24.

Every Hebrew soul and seed of Abraham was brought unto Christ as Scripture says. Even rabbi and Pharisee Saul of Tarsus declared this truth in Romans 11:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom. 11:25–27.

There is no "accept Jesus (or in time past, the animal sacrifice) into your heart," neither was there "confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus (or animal sacrifice) and believe in thine heart" in any of the Hebrew covenants for salvation is of the Lord and God does the saving because God is under covenant to save.

I didn't steal any inheritance...Salvation was a gift given to me. with Gentiles and all the promises of blessing and salvation is

If you are truly saved then you have Hebrew blood in your family history, for God made no covenant with Gentiles except God did make covenant with only the seed of Abraham and receive redemption from God. You are his biological seed.

When will you receive Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior?

I didn't "receive" Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. He received me. I did nothing to affect my salvation. God chose me before the foundation (creation) of the world to be holy and blame.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Jn 15:16

 

[jeremiah1five]

There is no such thing as already saved.

The Hebrews from Abraham onward were "kept" until Jesus Christ could affect salvation for the Jews and brought to Christ as Scripture says.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal. 3:23–24.

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Jesus says to be faithful until the end. and make every effort to get into the kingdom of God.

Salvation is not of works. It is by covenant and by being in covenant ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED as Saul said in Romans 11.
The kingdom of God is not a place but a Person: Christ Himself.
And a close look into the Covenants you will see that "faith" is not a prerequisite to salvation.

IF you take the time to look and be honest with the Scripture you will learn this.

Come out of triune god worshipping church, friend.

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: Dt. 6:3–4.

1st LORD = the Son
God = Holy Spirit
2nd LORD = the Father.

But you didn't know this.

they will lead you astray.

Gentile theology will lead everyone astray which it has been doing for 1900 years, and you are infected with their heretical teaching.

 

[donadams]

ALL Hebrews (seed of Abraham) were 'kept' and were to be saved once atonement was provided for by Jesus Christ who died on a cross at Calvary. Every Hebrew and seed of Abraham was and is to be saved as part of their redemption covenant with God.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. 24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Gal. 3:23–24.

Every Hebrew soul and seed of Abraham was brought unto Christ as Scripture says. Even rabbi and Pharisee Saul of Tarsus declared this truth in Romans 11:

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
Rom. 11:25–27.

There is no "accept Jesus (or in time past, the animal sacrifice) into your heart," neither was there "confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus (or animal sacrifice) and believe in thine heart" in any of the Hebrew covenants for salvation is of the Lord and God does the saving because God is under covenant to save.

If you are truly saved then you have Hebrew blood in your family history, for God made no covenant with Gentiles except God did make covenant with only the seed of Abraham and receive redemption from God. You are his biological seed.

I didn't "receive" Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. He received me. I did nothing to affect my salvation. God chose me before the foundation (creation) of the world to be holy and blame.

16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Jn 15:16

Was Judas saved?
What about the Jews who rejected and killed Christ?

2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Jn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Does not say only Jews and Hebrews

Jn 3:16 whosoever

Matt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

 

[grace2]

The Hebrews from Abraham onward were "kept" until Jesus Christ could affect salvation for the Jews and brought to Christ as Scripture says.

What does have anything to do with what Jesus commands?

 

[jeremiah1five]

Was Judas saved?

He was the seed of Abraham and in salvation covenant. Jesus said His body and blood at the Passover meal was "given for you" (meaning the Jews.)

What about the Jews who rejected and killed Christ?

"A great company" of them (priests) were later obedient to the faith. (Acts:6:7)

2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Then I suppose being in the palm of the Father and Son is like a man eating a Butterfinger! Ooops!

Jn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Does not say only Jews and Hebrews

4 But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Gal. 4:4–5.

I rest my case.

Jn 3:16 whosoever

Matt 23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Well, when He arrived in Jerusalem, they were spreading palm trees and crying out "Blessed is He that comes in the Name of the Lord."
I'm sure they did it twice.

 

[jeremiah1five]

What does have anything to do with what Jesus commands?

You asked if anyone in the OT was saved.
They were "kept" unto the day of salvation.

 

[donadams]

You asked if anyone in the OT was saved.
They were "kept" unto the day of salvation.

Jn 6:
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
(Your fathers Jews)

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
(Any man includes all)

 

[grace2]

You asked if anyone in the OT was saved.
They were "kept" unto the day of salvation.

I did not ask.

Please don't put your word into my mouth.

 

[jeremiah1five]

Jn 6:
49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.
(Your fathers Jews)

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
(Any man includes all)

Yes, when Jesus said this, it was the first century AD, and He was referring to about 1400 years earlier BC.
Now what?

 

[jeremiah1five]

I did not ask.

Please don't put your word into my mouth.

Then it was my mistake. I got you confused with someone else, so don't be so defensive.
Or guilty.
Go, and sin no more.

 

[donadams]

Yes, when Jesus said this, it was the first century AD, and He was referring to about 1400 years earlier BC.
Now what?

Any man
All included not just the judaizers who killed Christ

 

[grace2]

Then it was my mistake. I got you confused with someone else, so don't be so defensive.
Or guilty.
Go, and sin no more.

How did I sin??????

Just because you gave a false testimony about me I am the one who sinned??????????????????

that's what happens when you worship a false god, a triune god.

You cannot discern what is right or wrong.

 

[jeremiah1five]

How did I sin??????

Just because you gave a false testimony about me I am the one who sinned??????????????????

that's what happens when you worship a false god, a triune god.

You cannot discern what is right or wrong.

Because of asking you accused.
With attitude. The word for that in the NT is "demon" and "devil" and "evil spirit."
When you're responding back and forth have you ever attributed your response to the wrong post?
For a person named "grace" I received no grace from you, and Jesus and John said, "no man can give you anything unless they first possess it.
Go, and sin no more with your heart against me with that demon attitude.
SINNER!!

 

[ReverendRV]

Are all men redeemed by Jesus Christ?

Thanks

No, because there's only one Name given under Heaven for by which Man must be Saved...

 

[donadams]

No, because there's only one Name given under Heaven for by which Man must be Saved...

Redemption, Justification, Sanctification, and Salvation!

Redemption: 100 percent the work of God, thru the life, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ! All mankind are redeemed in Christ! Eph 2
Galatians 2:16 3:13
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law...
Christ alone accomplished the redemption of mankind apart from any works on our part!

(Redemption is not Salvation)
Rom 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.


Justification: our acceptance of redemption thru faith and baptism! Become a disciple and member of Christ and His Church! Jn 3:5 acts 2:38 Mk 16:16 He who believes and is baptized shall be saved. 1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


Sanctification: the life of grace applied to our souls in the sacraments, prayer, virtue and good works, the just living by faith, and faith working thru love! Phil 1:29 called to suffer with Christ.
All done in Christ thru His grace! Jn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Purification: no unclean thing enter the heavenly realms of glory!

Salvation: a christian in the state if grace at the moment of death we enter into the salvation of the Lord! Mt 24:44-47 faithful servant! Jn 15:1-5 abide in me. Mt 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Heb 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:
Heb 4:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rom 13:11 ...for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

Glorification:

Suffering with Christ is required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Justification and salvation are not the same rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.