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Alpha & Omega?

donadams said:
Sounds like the spiritualism of the gnostics, who is the head of this church?

Thks
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Christ is the head of this church. His people are submitted to him, and under his headship. There is nothing gnostic about it but please explain why you say that?
 
donadams said:
Rev 1:8

I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Who is the Alpha & Omega?

Thks
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I would offer.

Jesus the Christ is not Jesus the Son of man. He worked in him as he does with us . God is not a man as us.

It would seem the father of lies the spirit of the anti-christ, a false prophets false apostles tying to make it all one in the same as if God was a man .

Peter seduced rebuking the unseen Holy Father forbidding Jesus the Son of man from doing the will of the Father .

God is not Jewish man as King of kings when the veil was rent there was no Jewish man as King of kings. Satan could on longer deceive all the nations of the world that God is a Jewish man. . He fell (Revelation 20)

Mathew 16:22: Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
 
makesends said:
You are right. I had forgotten about those few. As far as I know, however, only one or two remain. Did you intend your OP to deal with those?
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Yep especially grace2

I sent this;

Then you must believe Jesus is only a man?

Jer 17:5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

If Jesus is not divine and only a man then you who trust in Him for salvation are cursed!

Goes for all who deny the Christian doctrine of the divinity of Christ!

He replied

Nope, He is not only a man.

He is a lot of things but He is not a God.

that is clear.

I said then what?

God?
Man?
Angel?

What else is there?

Still waiting!

Thanks

P.s. (pray soon) only clear if your wearing “oneness” colored glasses!
 
donadams said:
Yep especially grace2

I sent this;

Then you must believe Jesus is only a man?

Jer 17:5 Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.

If Jesus is not divine and only a man then you who trust in Him for salvation are cursed!

Goes for all who deny the Christian doctrine of the divinity of Christ!

He replied

Nope, He is not only a man.

He is a lot of things but He is not a God.

that is clear.

I said then what?

God?
Man?
Angel?

What else is there?

Still waiting!

Thanks

P.s. (pray soon) only clear if your wearing “oneness” colored glasses!
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I think @grace2 is no longer attending.

I would like to watch you and @Mr GLee going at it!
 
1Thess521 said:
when discussing Biblical concepts :
why not use the the word as it was used in the Bible?

ekklesia
literally the "called-out ones"
called by Christ
out of the world
to Himself
aka believers

Can't wait until you figure out what the word baptize actually means.
and saint
and pray
and justify
and....etc
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Are believers Christians?

Can you be saved without a priest?
 
Arial said:
Christ is the head of this church. His people are submitted to him, and under his headship. There is nothing gnostic about it but please explain why you say that?
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I said it sounds like gnostic all spiritual & invisible nothing tangible

Christ is the head of the church
Christ is king
Christ is mediator of the new covenant

Do you agree?
 
donadams said:
Are you two working in tandem? I asked Arial

So

Jesus Christ is the head of His church!

The king of His kingdom!

And the mediator of His new covenant!

Agreed?
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Don,
You and @1Thess521 do not mean the same thing by church. So the question is unfair. Kind of like asking have you stopped beating your wife? If he agrees, which I am sure he does, now you have him agreeing with something he most likely does not agree with. By church you mean the Catholic church which if he agreed to that would be saying Jesus Christ is the head of the Catholic church, (and only the Catholic church.) Stop being deceptive in that way.
 
Arial said:
Don,
You and @1Thess521 do not mean the same thing by church. So the question is unfair. Kind of like asking have you stopped beating your wife? If he agrees, which I am sure he does, now you have him agreeing with something he most likely does not agree with. By church you mean the Catholic church which if he agreed to that would be saying Jesus Christ is the head of the Catholic church, (and only the Catholic church.) Stop being deceptive in that way.
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right:

the biblical concept of church is
ekklesia
literally the "called-out ones"
called by Christ
out of the world
to Himself
aka believers

and that is what i am responding to
 
donadams said:
I said it sounds like gnostic all spiritual & invisible nothing tangible
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It is very visible and tangible---it just isn't a building or a specific denomination.
donadams said:
Christ is the head of the church
Christ is king
Christ is mediator of the new covenant

Do you agree?
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I don't agree with what you mean by that. And neither do you. In your religion, the Catholic hierarchy stands as the only mediator between man and Christ, (well maybe also Mary and other saints) and the Catholic religion becomes the real head of Chris's church.
 
Arial said:
Don,
You and @1Thess521 do not mean the same thing by church. So the question is unfair. Kind of like asking have you stopped beating your wife? If he agrees, which I am sure he does, now you have him agreeing with something he most likely does not agree with. By church you mean the Catholic church which if he agreed to that would be saying Jesus Christ is the head of the Catholic church, (and only the Catholic church.) Stop being deceptive in that way.
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How can find out what each one believes without asking questions?
 
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