Is God Dwelling With His People Now or is it Only Future?

[donadams]

Oops sorry i forgot, not the catholic forum!

 

[makesends]

1 John 4:13
Hereby know we that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He hath given us of His Spirit.

1 John 4:13
Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit. (KJV)



Concerning menō (abide/dwell) from the BDAG (3rd Edition):

The phrase μ. ἔν τινι is a favorite of J to denote an inward, enduring personal communion. So of God in his relation to Christ ὁ πατὴρ ἐν ἐμοὶ μένων the Father, who abides in me J 14:10. Of Christians in their relation to Christ J 6:56; 15:4ac, 5–7; 1J 2:6, 24c. Of Christ relating to Christians J 15:4a, 5 (Goodsp., Probs. 112–15). Of Christians relating to God 1J 2:24c, 27f; 3:6, 24a; 4:13. Of God relating to Christians 1J 3:24; 4:12f, 15.

The use of the preposition "of" there, is intriguing to me, in, "...given us of his Spirit." It seems to imply degree, already assumed the quality of the Spirit of which he has given us. Just as the faith by which we are saved is not a question of the amount of it, as much as it is the validity of it. If it is at all of the Spirit of God, it is altogether capable of doing that for which it is given. Thus, "already, but not yet" complete.

 

[donadams]

Who is saved?

 

[Arial]

Lk 1:37 all things are possible with God.

Lk 1:49 He that is mighty (God) has done (((great things))) to me! (Mary)

Matt 5:8 the pure of heart shall see God.

Immaculate Conception!

Mary received all God had destined for the angels and men before the fall, created without original sin and in a state of sanctifying grace!

Eve was taken out of Adam.
The Word is taken out of Mary.

In heaven the Word has a father without a mother.
On earth the Word has a mother without a father.

The creator obeys and honors the His creation in the person of Mary, the mother of the Word incarnate.

Mary is the holy city, the tabernacle of the Lord, the holy of holies!
The dwelling place of the Immortal Creator, the eternal Word made flesh!

Mary is the mystical city of God!

(((Mary is the new covenant, the new holy city, the new Jerusalem “our mother”!)))

This is blood of the new and eternal testament

Sinless Mary clothed the eternal Word with human flesh & blood.

It is the flesh & blood that He took of the virgin that is crucified for our redemption & salvation!

Who is this posted to and concerning what? How does it have any relationship to the OP title or content? I have cautioned you about posting like this countless times. Get with the program.

 

[donadams]

Who is this posted to and concerning what? How does it have any relationship to the OP title or content? I have cautioned you about posting like this countless times. Get with the program.

Makesends sorry

 

[makesends]

Who is saved?

Is this an edited post? Is this the one you said was directed to me? I don't know why you are asking this nor how it relates to what I said.

The elect are to be saved. The redeemed and regenerated and justified are saved. The members of the Body of Christ are saved. Is that what you were looking for?

 

[Arial]

Is this an edited post? Is this the one you said was directed to me? I don't know why you are asking this nor how it relates to what I said.

The elect are to be saved. The redeemed and regenerated and justified are saved. The members of the Body of Christ are saved. Is that what you were looking for?

Post #38

 

[makesends]

Post #38

Lololol. Now I'm really lost. Post #38 of what thread? The last one on here is post #27.

 

[Arial]

Lololol. Now I'm really lost. Post #38 of what thread? The last one on here is post #27.

Sorry. Typo. 18. Possibly 19 and 20 also. #18 is where I asked him who he was posting to.

 

[donadams]

#22 you said we are saved?

Mk 13:13 & matt 24:13 and many others say we must endure to the end to be saved

Jn 15:1-4 must abide

Thks

 

[makesends]

#22 you said we are saved?

Mk 13:13 & matt 24:13 and many others say we must endure to the end to be saved

Well, no, it only says that if they do remain, they will be saved. But fwiw, it is agreed that if they do not, they will not. The real difference is the source or means of the continuing to the end. Is it by human decision or by the work of God?

Jn 15:1-4 must abide

Thks

This is one of my favorite passages supporting the fact of the necessity of the changed nature of the saved, as opposed to the power of the original nature of anybody to have salvific faith, repentant and obedience, in and of one's self.

 

[donadams]

Well, no, it only says that if they do remain, they will be saved. But fwiw, it is agreed that if they do not, they will not. The real difference is the source or means of the continuing to the end. Is it by human decision or by the work of God?

This is one of my favorite passages supporting the fact of the necessity of the changed nature of the saved, as opposed to the power of the original nature of anybody to have salvific faith, repentant and obedience, in and of one's self.

Faith must be put into action by charity to achieve “obedience of faith” Noah believed God and His plan of saving Noah’s family from the flood, but by faith alone they would have all drowned, Noah had to put his faith into action and build the ark!

Amen?

 

[makesends]

Faith must be put into action by charity to achieve “obedience of faith” Noah believed God and His plan of saving Noah’s family from the flood, but by faith alone they would have all drowned, Noah had to put his faith into action and build the ark!

Amen?

Sounds like you are saying that our obedience and works save us, because they are of faith.

 

[Fred]

Faith must be put into action by charity to achieve “obedience of faith” Noah believed God and His plan of saving Noah’s family from the flood, but by faith alone they would have all drowned, Noah had to put his faith into action and build the ark!

Amen?

The obedience of faith takes place at conversion.

Acts 6:7
And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly;
and a great number of the priests became obedient to the faith.

 

[Mr GLee]

God is the “source and first cause,” of all good, this does not exclude another immediate cause that is chosen and authorized by God to accomplish His will & purpose!

Examples:

Noah:
Moses:
Joshua:

(Primary cause)

God is the source, first, & remote cause of the salvation of the family of Noah from the flood!

(Secondary cause)

Noah is the “immediate” cause of the salvation of the family of Noah from the flood!

Noah believed God:
Noah consented to God will & plan of salvation:
Noah puts his faith into action by obedience to God & building the ark:


(Primary cause)

God is the source, first, & remote cause of the salvation of the children of Israel from Egypt!

(Secondary cause)

Moses is the immediate cause of the salvation of the of the children of Israel from Egypt!

Moses puts his faith into action by obedience to God, going back to Egypt and delivering the children of Israel from bondage.


(Primary cause)

God is the source, first, & remote cause of the children of Israel entering the promised land!

(Secondary cause)

Joshua is the immediate cause of the children of Israel entering the promised land!

Joshua puts his faith into action by obedience to God, and leading the children of Israel into the promised land.


These are “type and figures of our salvation!”



Mary & The great affair of “our salvation!”


(Primary cause)

God is the source, first, & remote cause of “our salvation!”

(Secondary cause)

Mary is the immediate cause of “our salvation!”

Mary found grace with God. Lk 1:30

Mary believed God. Lk 1:45

Mary put her faith into action by obedience to God by consenting to “our salvation.”

Mary consented to “our salvation.” Lk 1:38

And By the conception of the Holy Spirit!

Mary is the fruitful virgin who conceived by the power of the most high. Matt 1:

And by bearing in Her sacred womb “our salvation.”

And by giving birth to “our salvation.”

Mary gave birth to “our salvation.”


You would never say: “Noah had zero to do with the salvation of his family from the flood!” Or that “Moses had zero to do with the salvation of children of Israel from bondage in Egypt,” or that Joshua has zero to do with the children of Israel entering the promised land.”

Battle of the queen mothers? How many?

Remember the abomination of desolation. Kings in Isreal the pagan foundation out of sight out of mind. God call fools.

All male priesthood no female prophets two high walls prohibiting the Hebrew women from the men's only club another high wall the gentiles.

A gospel explosion one like never before or ever again. God proving he is not a racist, the father of lies alone is. He hates all flesh a murderer from the beginning

It would appear they gave in to their nagging wife demanded his and hers gods called patron saints today .

It would seem the Roman Catholic legion of faither photocopied copied the unbelieving Jewish fathers.

Jerimiah 44:15-17Then all the men which knew that their wives had burned incense unto other gods, and all the women that stood by, a great multitude, even all the people that dwelt in the land of Egypt, in Pathros, answered Jeremiah, saying,As for the word (sola scriptura) that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the Lord, we will not hearken unto thee.But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.

The living loving commandment . . Call no dying mam on earth Holy Father, Holy See.

Call woman on earth Holy mother queen of heaven the only human that received the full ness of grace the complete cost of salvation the rest world its off the limbo and purgatory the wondering gospel

How can we tell the right queen?



Study how the bibles use the word mother not jezebel

 

[donadams]

Sounds like you are saying that our obedience and works save us, because they are of faith.

And cos they are done in Christ soaked in grace see matt 25 thks

No control freak here only an understanding of the truth!

Thks

 

[donadams]

The obedience of faith takes place at conversion.

Acts 6:7
And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly;
and a great number of the priests became obedient to the faith.

That means they submitted to the faith and accepted the faith, but without works is dead!

faith hope and charity produce obedience!

Three are eternal faith hope and charity 1 cor 13:13

Abide in Christ / bear fruit Jn 15:4

Good works in grace bears abundant fruit!

my grace is sufficient: 2 cor 12:9
Seek the kingdom: Matt 6:33
Abide in Christ / bear fruit Jn 15:4
Perpetual state of faith: Jn 3:16
Watch & Pray: Matt 26:41
Ask and receive: 7:8
Pray: Matt 6:6
Fasting: Matt 6:17
Alms: Matt 6:3
Practice of the virtues of Jesus
Christ: Matt 11:29
Narrow gate road lead to life Matt 7:14
Beatitudes: Matt 5:3-16
Christian suffering / Deny thyself, take up Thy cross: Matt 10:38 & 16:24 rom 8:18 2 thes 1:5
2 Tim 2:12 Phil 1:29
Frequenting the sacraments (promises) of grace: Heb 8:8
2 Timothy 1:1
Endure to the end: Mk 13:13 Matt 24:13

All united in Christ and Soaked in His blood, grace, the merits Christ won for us by His life, death, and resurrection!

 

[Arial]

That means they submitted to the faith and accepted the faith, but without works is dead!

Faith isn't something we submit to. It is something we have, something according to the definition of pistis Greek word translated "faith" in Eph 2:8, God gives us by grace, because it is through faith that we are united with Christ. Pistis by definition does not come from inside us, but is given from the outside---God.

Faith isn't something we accept. It is something we believe.

If we genuinely have that faith, it will produce works (and works are more than charitable acts. It is a changing of the person gradually, over the entire remaining lifetime as one learns what pleases God). It is called sanctification---being conformed more and more to the image of the one who owns is---Christ.

Romans 8:29-30 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image if his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

 

[donadams]

Faith isn't something we submit to. It is something we have, something according to the definition of pistis Greek word translated "faith" in Eph 2:8, God gives us by grace, because it is through faith that we are united with Christ. Pistis by definition does not come from inside us, but is given from the outside---God.

Faith isn't something we accept. It is something we believe.

If we genuinely have that faith, it will produce works (and works are more than charitable acts. It is a changing of the person gradually, over the entire remaining lifetime as one learns what pleases God). It is called sanctification---being conformed more and more to the image of the one who owns is---Christ.

Romans 8:29-30 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image if his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

I meant the faith as a body of doctrine or the Christian faith!

Thks

 

[makesends]

I meant the faith as a body of doctrine or the Christian faith!

Thks

Yes, and rather obviously you think THAT 'faith' --itself a work of man-- and the work of submitting to it, and the other works the are required through that submitting, all are causal in one's salvation. Directly opposing Ephesians 2:8-10