A priest of Christ is a worshiper of Christ

[donadams]

Queen Esther & Queen Mary!


Old Testament type or example provided by God for our instruction!

Queen Esther

Queen Esther fair: est 2:7
Mary all fair: gen3:15 Song of Solomon 4:12 Lk 1:28 rev 12:1

And the king loved Esther above all the women, and she obtained grace and favour in his sight more than all the virgins; est 2:17
Song of S. 4:2 love of God for Mary!
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.
Lk 1:28 also Lk 1:30 1:42 1:45 1:48
Mary obtained grace and favor: Lk 1:28
Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Esther merits the graces of the king for the people. Est
Mary merits the graces we need but don’t deserve. Lk 1:30
Mother is the mother of our savior and our salvation! Lk 2:30 matt 1:21

They prayed to Esther to intercede for them before the king. As Mary intercedes for Christians before God.

Queen Esther found favor with the king: est 2:17
Mary found favor with God: Lk 1:30

Queen Esther saves her people interceding with the king: est 8:17
Mary provides the savior of the world!
Lk 2:10-11

Queen Esther receives half the kingdom!
Mary receives half the kingdom, Christ retains the kingdom of justice as just judge and Mary is the queen of grace & mercy! Hence the throne of grace is Mary’s throne! Heb 4:16
Depicted in genesis as the greater light that rules the day (those living in God’s will) and the lesser light that governs the night (those living in sin) Mary the mother of mercy and refuge of sinners!
Notice the sun is the source of all good and moon only reflects this goodness!
She directs all to Her divine son! Jn 2:5


Mary is created by God thru the immaculate conception worthy to receive grace, and the miraculous conception of the Holy Spirit, and the savior and our salvation!

 

[Fred]

I did not say they were
Prayer is directed to God thru Mary and the angels and saints

Bible proof, please.

The queen interceded for the people

The queen presents the petitions of the people to the king

See Esther
See Solomon

Christians can take their prayers right to God without having to go through people.

 

[Fred]

They prayed to Esther to intercede for them before the king. As Mary intercedes for Christians before God.

The comparison falls apart and your idol is destroyed in that in order for someone to communicate with Esther they would have to either VERBALLY made it known or in WRITING.
They couldn't just think it and she would know all their requests.

You've been told this by example more than once, but you still continue on in this absurdity.

That idol has got a severe grip on your heart.

Kill it, in the Name of Jesus!

 

[donadams]

Bible proof, please.




Christians can take their prayers right to God without having to go through people.

1 kings 2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

Never said you cant

But Jesus has to grant the prayers of Mary!

Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!

Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!

Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!

and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments

you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”

“My hour has not come”

The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2

and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11

There is another point that Jesus is making when he says: what does it have to do with you and me? My hour hath not yet come. Indicating that when it does come Mary will have a prominent role to play. See Lk 2:35

 

[donadams]

To kill the mother of our salvation is to kill our salvation!

 

[Fred]

1 kings 2:19 Bathsheba therefore went unto king Solomon, to speak unto him for Adonijah. And the king rose up to meet her, and bowed himself unto her, and sat down on his throne, and caused a seat to be set for the king's mother; and she sat on his right hand.

No prayers properly rendered unto her.

 

[Arial]

To kill the mother of our salvation is to kill our salvation!

Our salvation doesn't have a mother. It is of God and by God and for God, and through God the Son. We have a Savior, not a mother of our salvation.

 

[donadams]

No prayers properly rendered unto her.

Did she intercede for the people with the king?

 

[donadams]

Did Esther intercede for the people with the king?

And saved her people?

 

[donadams]

Our salvation doesn't have a mother. It is of God and by God and for God, and through God the Son. We have a Savior, not a mother of our salvation.

Really? Are you sure?

Is our salvation a doctrine only?
“Faith alone”?

Or also a sacrifice?
Yo be offered? Jn 1:29

Or is our salvation also a person?
Lk 2:30

If our salvation is a person He must have a mother???

Mary is the means God used to bring our salvation!

She is blessed! Lk 1:28
She found favor / grace Lk 1:30
She consented to our salvation Lk 1:38

Yes indeed: the mother of our salvation!

Thanks

 

[Fred]

Did she intercede for the people with the king?

Not if they just thought it within their hearts.

 

[Fred]

Mary is the means God used to bring our salvation!

She is blessed! Lk 1:28
She found favor / grace Lk 1:30
She consented to our salvation Lk 1:38

Yes indeed: the mother of our salvation!

She must have had parents that raised her properly.
Yes indeed the grandparents of our salvation!

....?

And they too must have had parents that raised them properly.
Yes indeed the great-grandparents of our salvation!

?

And they too,,,,etc., etc., etc.

 

[Arial]

Really? Are you sure?

Yes. I may not be sure of a lot of things but I am sure of that. For example: Psalm 3:8 Salvation belongs to the Lord; may your blessing be on Your people.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God

Is our salvation a doctrine only?
“Faith alone”?

There is no connection between those two questions. First question---it is a doctrine of Protestant Christianity because it is a reality shown us in the scriptures.
2.Yes. Faith alone. Christ's work on the cross was sufficient unto salvation for all who place their trust in Him. This faith in Him is the only way to God and the only way to be reconciled to God. "I am the way, the truth, and the life."

Or also a sacrifice?
Yo be offered? Jn 1:29

What does yo be offered have to do with John 1:29 and what does it mean?
Christ's sacrifice has everything to do with it. Where are these empty assertions coming from? It is an astonishing thing, and why God was laughing at all who rage against Him in Psalm 2. The King's victory was in the King's death, for then He was raised to life defeating the power of sin and death over those who trust in Him and Him alone.
Is 25:8 He will swallow up death for all time, and the Lord God will wipe tears away from all faces, and He will remove the reproach of HIs people from all the earth; for the Lord has spoken.
Heb 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil
Notice in those passages it says nothing about anything we do added to what He did in order for it to be effectual.

Or is our salvation also a person?
Lk 2:30

Salvation comes by the work of a person, Jesus Christ, which means He is the Savior. Not Him and other things.

If our salvation is a person He must have a mother???

Mary is the means God used to bring our salvation!

Of course He had a mother. He had to be one of us in order to provide propitiation for us. And in fulfillment of Gen 3 when God cursed the devil And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, and you will strike His heel." That does not make His mother the mother of our salvation. It only makes her the mother of our Savior. And to view her and this the way and the way of the RCC, is to read the entire Bible through confirmation bias. It uses nothing but conjecture, speculation, imagination, fleshly desires, to arrive at everything they teach about Christ and in their religion.

She is blessed! Lk 1:28
She found favor / grace Lk 1:30
She consented to our salvation Lk 1:38

Yes indeed: the mother of our salvation!

Again, the scriptures are true but you interpret them according to confirmation bias. The Roman church centuries ago had an agenda and it had nothing to do with what was true and what wasn't true according to the scriptures. They even took the scriptures out of the hands of the people lest they see. They were about building something that had no intention of bowing beneath the word of God as given. That is not to say that many probably actually believed what they were doing was right and good. People being, as they are, very adept at self deception and self justification.

 

[donadams]

She must have had parents that raised her properly.
Yes indeed the grandparents of our salvation!

....?

And they too must have had parents that raised them properly.
Yes indeed the great-grandparents of our salvation!

?

And they too,,,,etc., etc., etc.

Do you deny Lk 2:30 Jesus Christ “IS” our salvation???

 

[donadams]

Yes. I may not be sure of a lot of things but I am sure of that. For example: Psalm 3:8 Salvation belongs to the Lord; may your blessing be on Your people.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God


There is no connection between those two questions. First question---it is a doctrine of Protestant Christianity because it is a reality shown us in the scriptures.
2.Yes. Faith alone. Christ's work on the cross was sufficient unto salvation for all who place their trust in Him. This faith in Him is the only way to God and the only way to be reconciled to God. "I am the way, the truth, and the life."

What does yo be offered have to do with John 1:29 and what does it mean?
Christ's sacrifice has everything to do with it. Where are these empty assertions coming from? It is an astonishing thing, and why God was laughing at all who rage against Him in Psalm 2. The King's victory was in the King's death, for then He was raised to life defeating the power of sin and death over those who trust in Him and Him alone.
Is 25:8 He will swallow up death for all time, and the Lord God will wipe tears away from all faces, and He will remove the reproach of HIs people from all the earth; for the Lord has spoken.
Heb 2:14 Therefore, since the children share in flesh and blood, He Himself likewise also partook of the same, that through death He might render powerless him who had the power of death, that is, the devil
Notice in those passages it says nothing about anything we do added to what He did in order for it to be effectual.

Salvation comes by the work of a person, Jesus Christ, which means He is the Savior. Not Him and other things.

Of course He had a mother. He had to be one of us in order to provide propitiation for us. And in fulfillment of Gen 3 when God cursed the devil And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; He will crush your head, and you will strike His heel." That does not make His mother the mother of our salvation. It only makes her the mother of our Savior. And to view her and this the way and the way of the RCC, is to read the entire Bible through confirmation bias. It uses nothing but conjecture, speculation, imagination, fleshly desires, to arrive at everything they teach about Christ and in their religion.

Again, the scriptures are true but you interpret them according to confirmation bias. The Roman church centuries ago had an agenda and it had nothing to do with what was true and what wasn't true according to the scriptures. They even took the scriptures out of the hands of the people lest they see. They were about building something that had no intention of bowing beneath the word of God as given. That is not to say that many probably actually believed what they were doing was right and good. People being, as they are, very adept at self deception and self justification.

Then why can’t I “SEE”
I’ve been studying scripture for decades?

Is Jesus Christ in His person our salvation like Simeon says in Lk 2:30?

Did Mary find our salvation? Lk 1:30

Did Mary consent to our salvation?
Lk 1:38

can one be saved without a priest?

Thanks

 

[donadams]

Mary & Eve!

Eve was of the First creation: carnal
Mary of the New creation: spiritual

Eve the cos of Sin and curse disobeyed God! Gen 3:12
Mary cos of salvation, Lk 1:30 & consented to our salvation Lk 1:38 obeyed God & found our salvation Lk 1:30

Eve mourned: Gen 3:16
Mary rejoiced: Lk 1:46

Eve gave birth to all sinners: mother of all the living. Gen 3:20
Mary gave birth to the savior of all men: mother of all living in Christ. Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Mary the mother of God! Lk 1:43

Eve brought punishment: gen 3:16
Mary salvation: Lk 1:30 & 38 Lk 2:30

Eve source of sin: gen 3:16
Mary source of grace: Lk 1:30 & 38

Eve brought death: gen 3:19
Mary life: Jn 1:16-17 & Jn 10:10

Eve only wounds & suffering: gen 3:19
Mary healing:

Eve infidelity: gen 3:6
Mary faithfulness: Lk 1:45

Eve offended the Lord: gen 3:6-7
Mary’s soul (being) doth magnify the Lord: Lk 1:46

Eve cursed: gen 3:17-19
Mary blessed: Lk 1:28

Hail Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women!
Lk 1:28

 

[Fred]

Then why can’t I “SEE”
I’ve been studying scripture for decades?

2 Timothy 3:7

 

[Fred]

Eve brought death: gen 3:19

Adam did (Romans 5:12)

 

[donadams]

Do you deny Lk 2:30 Jesus Christ “IS” our salvation???

Yes or no
Sad means nothing

 

[Arial]

Then why can’t I “SEE”
I’ve been studying scripture for decades?

Because of your confirmation bias way of reading the scriptures, that you also studied and immersed yourself in for decades.

Is Jesus Christ in His person our salvation like Simeon says in Lk 2:30?

You keep repeating that scripture, which is in the middle of a sentence, devoid of all context surrounding it and logic, and a great deal of the rest of the Bible teaching on Jesus, as though it forms the solid basis for an entire doctrine. Let's at least start in verse 27. And he came in the Spirit into the temple, and when the parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for HIm according to the custom of the law, he too Him up in his arms and blessed God and said, "Lord, no you are letting your servant depart in peace, according to our word; for my eyes have seen your salvation that you have prepared in the presence of all the peoples, a light for revelation to the Gentiles, and for glory to your people Israel."
Jesus in His person is the Savior that brings the promised salvation to Jew and Gentile. To conclude that His person is salvation (for then He would not have to do the work of salvation, His being here would be enough)and therefore Mary is the mother of our salvation or the mother of salvation (the person) is defies all laws of grammar, reason, cognition, logic and common sense.

Did Mary find our salvation? Lk 1:30

Did Mary consent to our salvation?
Lk 1:38

You are really stretching the meaning of those passages to make them fit what? Doing what you are doing has a name, which I used previously. It is called confirmation bias. You make everything you read fit what you already believe.

can one be saved without a priest?

One is saved by a Priest and there is only one mediator between God and man and that is Jesus Christ. 1 Tim 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus---
Heb 6:19-20 We have this as a sure and steadfast anchor of the soul, a hope that enters into the inner place, having become a high priest forever after the order of Melchizedek
Hebrews 7:23-25 The former priests were many in number, because they were prevented by death from continuing in office, but He holds HIs priesthood permanently, because He continues forever. Consequently, He is able to save to the uttermost those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.

Only Jesus.