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A God who is unable to to get what He desires to get, is nothing but impotent and no God at all.

Nonsense and anti Biblical.
Rom 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

Before they birth.
Rom 9:18 So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
Rom 9:19 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?”
Rom 9:20 But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”
Rom 9:21 Has the potter no right over the clay, to make out of the same lump one vessel for honorable use and another for dishonorable use?
Rom 9:22 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,
Rom 9:23 in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—
Rom 8:29, For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

1Pe 1:2, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


Foreknowledge is God knowing before which horse will win the race.

Election is Him betting on the horse that He knows will win.
 
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Rom 9:13, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. Rom 9:14, What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. Rom 9:15, For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. Rom 9:16, So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy. Rom 9:17, For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Rom 9:18, Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
In v.13, Paul quotes from Malachi 1:2-3, wherein God says that He loved Jacob but hated Esau. In scripture it becomes clear that God love Jacob and hated Esau before they were even born. On what basis? On the basis of His foreknowledge of their behaviour. God is angry with the wicked every day; and it is clear from holy scripture that Esau was wicked. But God exists outside of time; and therefore He is angry with the wicked from the perspective of Him dwelling in eternity. Therefore He is always angry with those whom He knows will never receive Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour; and He always has favour towards those whom he knows will eventually come to Him for salvation.
In v.14, the fact that God has angry emotions against the wicked does not make God unrighteous. It is, in fact, the exact opposite. It is His righteousness that makes Him angry with wicked behaviour.
In v.15, God reserves the right to show compassion to whom He wills; and to show mercy to whom He wills. He has His reasons for redeeming every person who will be redeemed; and we are not to question His choices.
In v.16, We can run, and we can will ourselves to be saved; but our willing and our running is not what is going to save us. God is in fact a God of grace and He gives salvation to many as a free gift. So, if there are those who, in an attempt to earn their salvation, run hard and will hard to enter into the kingdom; and if God says, no, you will not enter into the kingdom, then God is just to exclude them from the kingdom because it is not of him who runs or of him who wills but of God who shows mercy. That being said, I would bring up a specific scripture that tells us that if we come to Him on the basis of His mercy, he will not reject us: Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
In v.17, We know that God hardened Pharaoh's heart in order to bring about a greater purpose of making His power and glory known to the world. God sacrificed Pharaoh in that Pharaoh could not be saved because God had hardened his heart; but it was for a greater purpose; that men may understand that God is sovereign and Omnipotent and in control; and that He is greater than all other gods.
In v.18, God has mercy on whom He wills; and whom He wills He also hardens. This only goes to show that God is God and we are not. God gives every man a choice as concerning whether they will come to faith in Jesus Christ; but ultimately God is in control of our decisions in that love never fails and those whom He loves, He will not fail to bring into the kingdom. He also sees us worshipping Him in eternity from before the foundation of the world, before He created us; and so He has chosen to single out certain souls for salvation who have been foreknown and therefore predestinated unto salvation.

Rom 9:19, Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Rom 9:20, Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Rom 9:21, Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? Rom 9:22, What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction. Rom 9:23, And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Rom 9:24, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
In v.19, in response to the thought that God sheweth mercy to whom he wills; Paul now deals with the objection in the mind of the sinner; why does God find fault with me if everything is predestinated according to His will? If He predetermined for me to be a sinner and condemned, then how can he blame me for being a sinner? It was His predetermined choice, after all...
What the objector is not seeing is that it has always been the Lord's will that they should come to repentance; and that the Lord predestinated them to salvation or damnation according to foreknowledge of the decisions that they would make. Time and chance happen to everything (Ecclesiastes 9:11) and if God looked forward into history and foreknew who would most easily choose Him; and then put forth the utmost effort to save as many as possible by principally loving those whom He knew would be redeemed unto salvation (for it is written that love never fails), then God is actually doing all He can to make sure as many people as possible will enter in to the kingdom. Psalms 49:7-9 is tantamount to this.
In v.20, The answer is simple: you are the one who is formed by God; and if God created you with a specific purpose in mind, who are you to answer back to God? Now here is the thing: when the potter chooses his clay, it can be said that each lump of clay cries out for a specific thing to be done to it from within itself. The potter merely forms out of the clay the thing that the clay was intended to be by its general makeup and demeanor. A lump of clay may cry out to be something wonderful; but in the process of working the clay, the clay becomes marred in the potter's hand; because the clay didn't really know what it wanted. It wanted the glory of being a wonderful piece but did not want to face the suffering of being molded and shaped into it. So the potter has to make it into a less wonderful piece because it is marred in the potter's hand; it responded to the working of the clay in such a manner that the original intended purpose cannot now be achieved.
In v.21, The potter has power over each lump of clay to make it unto honour or dishonour. If a piece of clay wants to be made unto honour, it must endure the process of being molded and shaped in the hands of the potter. The potter ultimately decides whether a lump of clay is worthy to be made into an honourable vessel; based on how it responds to the potter's touch.
In v.22, The potter may be enduring the different intricacies of how the clay is on the inside of itself before he decides to make it into a dishonourable vessel. God is always wanting to make an honourable vessel out of every lump of clay; but certain lumps may not respond properly to the potter's touch and so the final decision for that lump of clay is that it becomes a dishonourable vessel. Consider what is written in Hebrews 3:12-13:
Heb 3:12, Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Heb 3:13, But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
In v.23, it appears that God prepared the lumps of clay that are predestined unto glory before He began to mold them and shape them; so that they not only cry out to be made into honourable vessels; but they are created in such a way that they will respond in a proper manner to the potter's touch.
Other vessels, He simply did not prepare for glory; and He is fully aware beforehand that they will very likely not respond properly to the potter's hand; while there is always hope that an unprepared vessel might be able to be made into something honourable. But unprepared vessels generally do not want to be an honourable vessel; it is their inclination to want to form themselves into what they want to be apart from the potter's touch. So they rebel against the molding and shaping of the potter.
In v.24, Paul is hopeful that the ones he is writing to are among those who will be molded and shaped into honourable vessels.
In all of this, I believe that it is expedient for us to ask the Lord on a regular basis to make us into an honourable vessel; and also to not buck it when He is forming us into something that perhaps we don't want to be.
If we ask to be made into an honourable vessel and are also moldable in the potter's hands, we can rest assured that we will be made into an honourable vessel. For it is written,
Mat 7:7, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
Mat 7:8, For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
If we attempt to will our own salvation into being, we will surely fail to produce salvation in ourselves (John 1:13, Romans 9:16); but if we cast ourselves upon the mercy of the Lord, we can be certain that He will be faithful to hear us; for it is also written,
Jhn 6:37, All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
 
Rom 9:25, As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved. Rom 9:26, And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God. Rom 9:27, Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: Rom 9:28, For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. Rom 9:29, And as Esaias said before, Except the Lord of Sabaoth had left us a seed, we had been as Sodoma, and been made like unto Gomorrha.
In v.25, God is a God of love and He seeks out to save that which was lost. Here He is referring to the Gentiles in saying that they were not His people and are now being called His people; but in the original quotation (in Hosea 1:10) God is saying to Israel that they are not His people but that they will again be called His people.
In v.26, those who were told that they were not His people, in the very same place where they were told this, they shall be called children of God.
1Jo 3:1, Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1Jo 3:2, Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jo 3:3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
In v.27, A remnant of Israel will be saved in the times of the Gentiles; but when the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled, all of Israel shall be saved (Romans 11:26); and they will be saved by nothing other than faith in Jesus Christ. As it is written,
Act 4:10, Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11, This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
In v.28, the Lord is going to cut the work short in righteousness. The history of the world is not going to be a long one. The return of Jesus Christ to rapture His church is always imminent.
In v.29, This is speaking of the remnant of Israel that will come to Christ during the times of the Gentiles; there is a remnant that is left as a seed. If the Lord had not done this, Israel would have been made like Sodom and Gommorha.
It was relatively short today, and I apologize. The next teaching is one of my favorites; it has to do with the righteousness of faith and how salvation is not attained through the righteousness of the law but through faith.
 
I had no personal responsibility!

I was content in my sin. I felt no responsibility at all.
Whether you felt responsibility or not, you were responsible, and are still responsible, for any decision you might make concerning receiving or rejecting Christ.
 
Well, I am here to tell you that it may be His will that you are of the non-elect.

Because if some are of the elect and others are of the non-elect, you may be one of them.
Well, you could if you wanted to, it's your prerogative.

Christ gives me a promise that I will be raised on the last day.
I will stick with Him thanks.
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.

I have both an assurance and conviction:
Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd. I know my own and my own know me,
Joh 10:15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
Joh 10:16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me.
Joh 10:28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand.
Joh 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

You may be uncertain about your eternal security, I am not!
Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus.
Rom 8:38 For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers,
Rom 8:39 nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord.
 
That was a free will decision that you made.
Nope.
I had died to self.
Joh 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.

You may think that you were born again by the will of man (your own)
I do not. I agree with the scripture above. Please don't try and push your stuff onto me!
 
'All" means "all" (without exception).
☝️Absolute nonsense.
Context matters.
Matthew 3:4-5
4 Now John wore a garment of camel’s hair and a leather belt around his waist, and his food was locusts and wild honey. 5 Then Jerusalem and all Judea and all the region about the Jordan were going out to him.

Clearly, the word “all” here does not refer to “every single individual in Judea.” Rather, it means, “people from all over Judea and all over the region about the Jordan.

Luke 2:1
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered.

Obviously, the word “all” here does not refer to “every single individual in the world.” Rather, it means, “everyone in the Roman empire.”

You have put blinders over your eyes in order to make the word of God say what you want it to say. Things that tickle your ears.
 
Rom 8:29, For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

1Pe 1:2, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.


Foreknowledge is God knowing before which horse will win the race.

Election is Him betting on the horse that He knows will win.
Again, you ignore context and pick only that which tickles your ears.

Verse 29 does NOT refer to God knowing who will pick him. You read that into the verse!
Predestined to conform, and not election.

Get your facts straight.
1Pe 1:1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who are elect exiles of the Dispersion in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1Pe 1:2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, in the sanctification of the Spirit, for obedience to Jesus Christ and for sprinkling with his blood: May grace and peace be multiplied to you.

Is the foreknowledge Peter speaks of that of someone choosing God! No it is not.
It is clear that you are misusing scripture and reading your false premises into it.
 
You're being lazy and not looking up the scripture that I gave you.

Now I have to quote it <sigh>...

Eph 3:6, That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Clearly, in this verse, the Gentiles are beneficiaries of the New Covenant.
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Eph. 3:5–6.

I don't know how you study but this is not anywhere close to being a covenant. But I will show the Scripture by which you THINK is covenant but it is not for it lacks any of the language of being a covenant and Paul is describing PROMISES that were given to the House of Israel and one thing needs to be answered is: What is he talking about? What promises?
(OK, two things. Maybe three.)

Your Scripture upon which you believe is a covenant (take note the word 'covenant' is nowhere mentioned and Paul is speaking of "promises.") The question is: What promises is he referring?

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Eph 3:5–6.

Now, here are a couple of passages in which God is making an actual covenant:

8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,
9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;
Gen. 9:8–9.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen. 17:7.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer. 31:31.

These examples above ARE Covenants.

Your passage in Ephesians falls short of being a covenant for first, Paul is writing to Jewish Christians about promises and it is void of any covenant language; second, Paul is talking about promises and doesn't state what promises; and in a closer examination of your responses, you refuse to even consider the covenant God makes with the House of Israel in in Jeremiah 31 in which NO GENTILES are mentioned. You prefer to call Paul's discussion of promises - but he doesn't identify which promises - as being a covenant but it isn't.

Before you or anyone seek to establish any Second Testament reality it is extremely important to first establish First Testament precedent. In other words, the whole of the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures falls into three parts: the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets.
These are the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures.

The writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, Jude, are writings that for the most part discuss the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures to Hebrew/Jewish readers.
We can readily see that the book of Hebrews was addressed to a Jewish audience, as is the letter of James "to the twelve tribes scattered", for there is extensive discussion about Jewish history, the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants, the OT prophets and their prophecies, the Judaic religion and practices as well as their culture, the Promises of God and other mainly Jewish issues that are at a level of knowledge that Gentiles living at the time of their writing would just not have the level of knowledge to understand them. In other words, Paul, a Jewish Christian and former Pharisee from the tribe of Benjamin writes to Jewish Christians in churches founded in Gentile lands by Jewish Christians about issues concerning the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets to readers who are deeply versed in these particular subjects apart from Gentiles who were still in the first century carried away by their dumb idols.

While the Temple still stood the "ism" of Judaism remained and the events and phenomenon occurring first in Jerusalem at the time of the Feasts of Harvests (Acts 2) were things and events that were viewed through the prism of the First Covenant Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures. Being a New Covenant that God was now establishing with the House of Israel including the advent of the Promised Holy Spirit they were completely within their rights to understand everything that was happening to them as a Covenant Nation with YHWH as Hebrew/Jewish events and histories concerning Israel.

Gentiles were NOT part of the equation. Everything was Israel. And one thing Israel as a nation had to understand in this "New Thing" God was doing was to ascertain exactly what effect Israel's Messiah would have and was having upon this people and their Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants.

The fact of the matter is with regard to Redemptive history is that God made Covenant with Abraham and the children of Israel.
God has made no covenant with Gentiles.
THIS IS the truth of the matter.
 
Agreed, so why does the light not come on for EVERYONE?

Or are you saying it does?
I don't know that it doesn't, however Romans 9 seems to indicate God's selectivity. Calvinists, and Arminians have made WHOLE DOCTRINES about it - but that's only "Theology" after all.
I have spoken to many and I have shared the gospel to many. In my experience, the light (conviction) comes to only some.
That you know of, anyway. "The light" came to me many times over the span of 10 years or so, and in 1963, I surrendered, repented, and was Born again. Could be the "Seeds" you planted, germinated later, beyond your knowledge.
It is not because the Power of God fails.
But you have no idea of the "Constraints" God is using. Neither does anybody else.
You seem to think that God's drawing Paul failed in it's efficacy?
Obviously not, but it took a while to accomplish its purpose. It took 20 years for me.
 
It's alright I'll pass. I don't have a need to know everything that you are trying to communicate to me.

I'll just stay in ignorance on this one.
Fair enough. So, then, you don't mind if I don't look up what you are too lazy (your word, as I remember) to lay out for me.
 
Fair enough. So, then, you don't mind if I don't look up what you are too lazy (your word, as I remember) to lay out for me.
If I don't lay it out for you, it is not important to me that you look it up.

Of course, I have an mo...that I both conceal (Proverbs 12:23) and disperse (Proverbs 15:7) knowledge; by sometimes just giving the reference to a scripture and not quoting it outright.

It's up to you whether you want to be privy to that knowledge.

It might be shame for you if you choose not to be (Proverbs 18:13).
 
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Eph. 3:5–6.

I don't know how you study but this is not anywhere close to being a covenant. But I will show the Scripture by which you THINK is covenant but it is not for it lacks any of the language of being a covenant and Paul is describing PROMISES that were given to the House of Israel and one thing needs to be answered is: What is he talking about? What promises?
(OK, two things. Maybe three.)

Your Scripture upon which you believe is a covenant (take note the word 'covenant' is nowhere mentioned and Paul is speaking of "promises.") The question is: What promises is he referring?

That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:
Eph 3:5–6.

Now, here are a couple of passages in which God is making an actual covenant:

8 And God spake unto Noah, and to his sons with him, saying,
9 And I, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you;
Gen. 9:8–9.

7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Gen. 17:7.

31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, That I will make a new covenant With the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer. 31:31.

These examples above ARE Covenants.

Your passage in Ephesians falls short of being a covenant for first, Paul is writing to Jewish Christians about promises and it is void of any covenant language; second, Paul is talking about promises and doesn't state what promises; and in a closer examination of your responses, you refuse to even consider the covenant God makes with the House of Israel in in Jeremiah 31 in which NO GENTILES are mentioned. You prefer to call Paul's discussion of promises - but he doesn't identify which promises - as being a covenant but it isn't.

Before you or anyone seek to establish any Second Testament reality it is extremely important to first establish First Testament precedent. In other words, the whole of the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures falls into three parts: the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets.
These are the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures.

The writings of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, Peter, James, Jude, are writings that for the most part discuss the Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures to Hebrew/Jewish readers.
We can readily see that the book of Hebrews was addressed to a Jewish audience, as is the letter of James "to the twelve tribes scattered", for there is extensive discussion about Jewish history, the Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants, the OT prophets and their prophecies, the Judaic religion and practices as well as their culture, the Promises of God and other mainly Jewish issues that are at a level of knowledge that Gentiles living at the time of their writing would just not have the level of knowledge to understand them. In other words, Paul, a Jewish Christian and former Pharisee from the tribe of Benjamin writes to Jewish Christians in churches founded in Gentile lands by Jewish Christians about issues concerning the Law, the Psalms, and the Prophets to readers who are deeply versed in these particular subjects apart from Gentiles who were still in the first century carried away by their dumb idols.

While the Temple still stood the "ism" of Judaism remained and the events and phenomenon occurring first in Jerusalem at the time of the Feasts of Harvests (Acts 2) were things and events that were viewed through the prism of the First Covenant Hebrew/Jewish Scriptures. Being a New Covenant that God was now establishing with the House of Israel including the advent of the Promised Holy Spirit they were completely within their rights to understand everything that was happening to them as a Covenant Nation with YHWH as Hebrew/Jewish events and histories concerning Israel.

Gentiles were NOT part of the equation. Everything was Israel. And one thing Israel as a nation had to understand in this "New Thing" God was doing was to ascertain exactly what effect Israel's Messiah would have and was having upon this people and their Abrahamic and Mosaic Covenants.

The fact of the matter is with regard to Redemptive history is that God made Covenant with Abraham and the children of Israel.
God has made no covenant with Gentiles.
THIS IS the truth of the matter.
So, those who are fellowheirs, and in the same body as the Jews are not partakers of the Jewish covenant?
 
Ephesians 5:14
“This sleepiness in the Christian is exceedingly dangerous, too, because he can do a great deal while he is asleep that will make him look as if he were quite awake.” (C. Spurgeon)

“The man who is asleep does not care what becomes of his neighbors; how can he while he is asleep? And oh! Some of you Christians do not care whether souls are saved or damned… It is enough for them if they are comfortable. If they can attend a respectable place of worship and go with others to heaven, they are indifferent about everything else.” (C. Spurgeon)
 
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