7 Characteristics of false Teachers

[Viking123]

There are many here correcting you and you are not having it.

One day you will kneel before Him and call Him Lord.

That is a fact.

You would do well to fall on your knees beg for forgiveness of your sin.

Plead with Him to take the heart of stone out of you and put a heart of flesh in.

EVERY scholar on EARTH knows YHWH belongs at every spot in OT( nearly 6800) where GOD or LORD is in the altered translations. And over 200 spots NT. So its impossible for you to correct reality.

 

[Viking123]

Considering that grace is a free gift...how can one work to obtain grace? That would mean it's not a free gift.

There is a whole bible that must be applied to reality, not just 1 teaching. And its still grace because all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

 

[Viking123]

Do certain things to get grace removes all meaning to the word grace and to grace itself.

What are those "certain works"? That is a question that requires an answer and you should know the answer. If you don't how will you work your way into grace. (I deliberately spoke with an oxymoron.)

All sin and fall short of the glory of God, thus grace gets applied to those who live now to do Jesus' Fathers will over self with the best of their abilities.

 

[Viking123]

Have you actually read every translation on earth? Do you think it is necessary to speak in gross hyperbole in order to be heard, or that it will add any kind of weight to what you say?

The teachings of Jesus in every translation on earth are the same-barring Earth, land at Matt 5:5--I share Matt 6:33-Keep on seeking-FIRST- the kingdom and his( YHVH(Jehovah) righteousness and all these things will be added( sustenance, covering, spirituality)
So tell us all how your teachers have instructed you to do this daily so that your heart instructs your mind to do it 24/7-365 as Jesus does? Only those who do can accomplish this-John 4:22-24= the true followers Jesus said.

 

[Viking123]

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It is only "God" or "LORD" in English translations. The reason is because those are the English words for YHWH. But to be clear YHWH is YHWH, not Jehovah.

Jehovah will show the world.

 

[Viking123]

ROTFLMBO!

You mean God translated the original languages into the NWT....... and he did an awful job. He didn't even get the second sentence correct.

Genesis 1:2 Hebrew transliteration
The earth was formless and void and darkness over the face of the deep and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Genesis 1:2 NWT
Now the earth was formless and desolate, and there was darkness upon the surface of the watery deep, and God’s active force was moving about over the surface of the waters.

The NWT has it wrong. Charles Taze Russel (the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses) used the KJV. That means if the KJV is an "altered translation," and an altered translation misrepresents God's word then Russell's religion was based on an altered translation, and we have reason to disregard the entire religion accordingly. If, on the other hand, the KJV is an acceptable translation then there was no reason for the Watchtower Society to attempt another translation and they're doing so is a serious problem. Russell predicted Jesus would return in 1874 and that did not happen..... making Russell a false teacher. Russell sued a Baptist minister who'd denounced Russell, accusing him of fraud, and when the case came to trial Russell acknowledged for the court record had never attended any institution of higher learning (including seminary), was never ordained, was completely ignorant of scripture's original languages. In an earlier, unrelated, court proceeding, Russel testified he was ordained. Russell lost the case against the Baptist defendant and his multiple cases of fraudulent activity inside and outside of the courtroom was documented.

The above makes Russell a false teacher. At a minimum, he qualifies for the first four "characters" cited in this op.

And, for the record, the questions asked were not answered (again). I did not ask anything about God. I asked....

1. Are you aware the New World Translation was translated by the Jehovah's Witness' Watchtower Bible Tract Society?
2. Are you aware the New World Translation contains flaws in its translation?
3. Are you aware, having these errors, the New World Translation qualifies as what you earlier called an "altered translation"?

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Yes they did. The holy spirit is not a living being.

 

[Carbon]

Yes they did. The holy spirit is not a living being.

Why are you spending so much time trying to defend false teachers?

 

[Carbon]

Yes they did. The holy spirit is not a living being.

You are a false teacher.

 

[Carbon]

Go to your account settings: Click on your handle at the top right corner of your browser. That should take you to the Account Settings page in your profile. Scroll down and you will find a place titled "Faith" where you can type "Jehovah's Witness." That will then show up below your avatar wherever you post in this forum. If you scroll down a little further, near the bottom, there is a space titled "About You," where greater details can be posted so that anyone glimpsing at your profile can find more information.

Click "Save" when finished and you're done .

Great idea! But I bet he is afraid to identify himself as a JW. But we shall see.

 

[Viking123]

Go to account details. Scroll till you come to the box marked "Faith". Fill it in and hit "Save."

done, Thanks for info

 

[Viking123]

And that includes you and the erroneous claim you tried to make.

I have studied religion, bible, Jesus, Israelite God worship history, translation history since 1961-I speak facts. The world will be sad to find that out.

 

[Viking123]

Why are you spending so much time trying to defend false teachers?

I know 100% in Every translation on Earth the teachings of Jesus back the JW teachers.

 

[Carbon]

done, Thanks for info

I'm impressed. Really

 

[CrowCross]

There is a whole bible that must be applied to reality, not just 1 teaching. And its still grace because all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

Let me say it gain....Considering that grace is a free gift...how can one work to obtain grace? That would mean it's not a free gift.

 

[makesends]

Where does one put what religion they are. I see all your banners not one has your religion on it.

Mine says, "Monergist". That isn't my religion, but it is my most identifying belief.

On another site, my banner says, "Monergist; and by reputation, Reformed Calvinist"

Gives people somewhat of an idea where I'm coming from when I post.

 

[makesends]

Jesus assures all only those living now to do his Fathers will get to enter his kingdom= get grace, be saved. So yes 100% a mortal MUST do certain things to get grace. And i shared the bottom line of that straight from Jesus teachings.

Sorry. That isn't grace.

 

[TrevorL]

Greetings again Viking123,

We know 100% Jehovah IS his name.

I am not sure who is the "We" of your statement as the article on "Jehovah" from the JW Book: "Aid to Understanding" seems to indicate where and how the incorrect representation of YHWH occurred. Also the current article on "Jehovah" on the JW website has the following statement:

""The time did come, however, when in reading the Hebrew Scriptures in the original language, the Jewish reader substituted either ʼAdho·naiʹ (Sovereign Lord) or ʼElo·himʹ (God) rather than pronounce the divine name represented by the Tetragrammaton. This is seen from the fact that when vowel pointing came into use in the second half of the first millennium C.E., the Jewish copyists inserted the vowel points for either ʼAdho·naiʹ or ʼElo·himʹ into the Tetragrammaton, evidently to warn the reader to say those words in place of pronouncing the divine name."

Although this does not spell out the same conclusion as the earlier JW article that I quoted, it DOES NOT reflect your 100% conviction. In a way it only leaves the door open to a proper understanding that "Jehovah" is an erroneous rendition, based upon reading the wrong vowel points. I suggest that the current article is meant to cloud the issue or even muddy the waters.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Josheb]

The holy spirit is not a living being.

LOL! Did you get that from Russellites and the NWT?


I want you to focus. This thread is about the characteristics of false teachers. Nothing more. This is not a debate on the heresies of the Jehovah's Witness cult.

The fact of scripture is that the Hebrew word, ruah, used in Genesis 1:2 means "wind," "breath," or "spirit," and it is used throughout the Tanakh to mean the spirit of God; never the "force" of God. Replacing the word "spirit" with force in every mention of the word ruah radically changes the meaning of scripture. The translators of the NWT did not translate ruah uniformly, consistently. This is demonstrably provable by examining other examples of ruah in the NWT.


Job 33:4 NWT
God’s own spirit made me, and the Almighty’s own breath brought me to life.

Ezekiel 11:24 NWT
A spirit then lifted me up—through a vision by the spirit of God — and brought me to the exiled people in Chaldea. Then the vision that I had seen left me.


There are more than a dozen inconsistencies like those two in the OT.

Furthermore, the word "holy," literally means "separate," or "separated." That is the denotative meaning of the word. Connotatively speaking, the word carries with it the definition or meaning of something separated specifically for sacred purpose. Vessels in the tabernacle that are designated as "holy" are, therefore, vessels that are separated for sacred purpose. A "holy" nation is, likewise, a nation that has been separated for sacred purpose. The Holy Spirit is the Separate and Sacred Spirit of God. As to the "living being" aspect of the Holy Spirit, scripture tells us the Spirit has thoughts of its own, emotions of its own, a will of its own, and actions of its own. It has a mind, and it knows the mind of others. I will happily go through the scriptures that prove these things. Logically, you are going to run into huge conflicts when asked how something that is not living can bestow life, and how something that is not a being can bestow being. All the many verses that state the Spirit gives life will necessarily mean life comes from non-life . No logical ground on your part will be gained by appealing to God as the source, the agent of the non-living Spirit as a being.

The NWT is the altered translation that is to be avoided.


Lastly, I'm going to try to help you, if you'll receive it. Many here have turned the discussion on you and made it about you. You brought it upon yourself, but the forum's rules do speak to the occasion. Russell was a false teacher, and he was recognized as such from the beginning of his departure from the Church, and...... when you post JW positions into the thread you then become a false teacher. This op is about the characteristics of false teachers. It was not necessary for you to introduce your positions the way you have and now you have become an object lesson proving the op correct (repeatedly! ). I am, therefore, going to encourage you to take a moment and re-collect your thoughts, reconsider your approach, and take a different tack with your posts because making yourself the object of this discussion is going to lead to failure. Your defensiveness will also only increase. You'll spend the entire thread on the defensive with multiple sources presenting multiple critiques for you to field. I am, therefore, going to also ask my non-JW peers, to make a conscious effort not to keep the posts about the posts (and not the poster) and attend to the topic of the op: the characteristics of false teachers. I do not need to mention any poster to prove the NWT a flawed translation and..... thereby prove the mention of "altered translations" a (self-indicting) red herring that meets the standard of the fourth characteristic of false teachers cited in this op. And since JWism is built on the teachings of a man who qualifies for every single one of the characteristics listed in the op, it's probably best not to make the thread about JWism if you expect to prove the veracity of the JW pov. Don't be a false teacher here. Do not rely on the false teacher, Charles Taze Russell here, either.

We can discuss the characteristics of false teachers without mentioning you (or Russell), but if you choose to take that course then be prepared.



You might consider a simple affirmation of the op's specifics. Are the characteristics cited correct and valid? There is no sense in anyone attempting to apply incorrect measures or discussing supposed metrics that have no validity. Are false teachers men-pleasers? Do false teachers disparage faithful messengers of Christ (ad hominem)? Do false teachers promote their own inventions? Do they neglect, misuse, and/or abuse God's word? Are they sophists? These are fairly simple questions, the answers to which should easily be observed with a readily offered, "Amen!" before furthering the discussion. Establish common ground.

Think about it.

 

[Josheb]

Great idea! But I bet he is afraid to identify himself as a JW. But we shall see.

Post 21 acknowledges the JWism, but it is correct to say the label will skew participation in a Reformed-oriented forum (or any non-JW forum) and therefore beget some inherent apprehension and defensiveness (which, in turn, begs the question, "Why join such a forum?"). There is at least one other JW in this forum, and s/he does not label their faith, either (or include that information in his/her profile About link).

THE EIGHTH CHARACTER
False teachers are not forthcoming. They do not disclose pertinent information and thereby commit lies of omission (Ps. 110:3; Isa. 32:6; 2 Pet. 2:1-3).


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[ElectedbyHim]

Been playing with this windows co-pilot AI app on my PC.

I copy and paste all the verses from 1&2 Timothy, Titus and 2 Peter about false teachers and here were the results.

These passages from 1 & 2 Timothy, Titus, and 2 Peter highlight several recurring themes regarding false teachers and their impact on the early Christian church:

Characteristics of False Teachers:

• Deviation from True Doctrine:
  • They reject sound doctrine (2 Tim 4:3).
  • They introduce destructive heresies (2 Pet 2:1).
  • They teach things they should not teach for dishonest gain (Titus 1:11).
  • They have gone astray from the truth, even denying the resurrection (2 Tim 2:18).
• Moral Corruption:
  • They are lovers of self, money, boastful, arrogant, blasphemers, disobedient, ungrateful, unholy (2 Tim 3:2).
  • They engage in sensuality and lusts of the flesh (2 Pet 2:2, 18).
  • They have eyes full of adultery and unceasing sin (2 Pet 2:14).
  • They are driven by greed (2 Pet 2:14, 15).
  • They are like unreasoning animals, driven by instinct (2 Pet 2:12).
• Deception and Manipulation:
  • They deceive and are deceived (2 Tim 3:13).
  • They upset whole families (Titus 1:11).
  • They take captive weak women (2 Tim 3:6).
  • They use empty talk and deception (Titus 1:10).
  • They entice unstable souls (2 Pet 2:14).
• Opposition to the Truth:
  • They oppose the truth (2 Tim 3:8).
  • They contradict sound doctrine (Titus 1:9).
  • Their word spreads like gangrene (2 Tim 2:17).
• Spiritual Danger:
  • They suffer shipwreck in regard to their faith (1 Tim 1:19).
  • They are handed over to Satan (1 Tim 1:20).
  • They are in the snare of the devil (2 Tim 2:26).
  • They bring swift destruction upon themselves (2 Pet 2:1).

Actions to Take:

• Maintain Faith and a Good Conscience:
  • Keep faith and a good conscience (1 Tim 1:19).
  • Hold fast to the faithful word (Titus 1:9).
• Reprove and Correct:
  • Reprove them severely (Titus 1:13).
  • Correct those in opposition with gentleness, hoping for their repentance (2 Tim 2:25).
• Avoid Them:
  • Keep away from such men (2 Tim 3:5).
  • Silence them (Titus 1:11).
• Hold to sound doctrine:
  • Endure sound doctrine (2 Tim 4:3).

Key Figures:

• Hymenaeus and Alexander (1 Tim 1:20, 2 Tim 2:17).
• Hymenaeus and Philetus (2 Tim 2:17).
• Jannes and Jambres (2 Tim 3:8).
• Balaam (2 Pet 2:15).

These passages serve as warnings and instructions for believers to remain vigilant against false teachings and to uphold the truth of the gospel.


Pretty cool app to have.