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To me, two things become rather obvious.Short Answer: YES
More Musings: Is God all powerful if we can do something independent of him? Can God determine all things and be free to so if we operate independently, can God learn from us via observing what we do independent of him, is God's freedom to choose limited by His need to respond to our self-determinations
Long Answer:
Self-determinism, as proposed by freewill, means one makes choices independent of God and any other influence. But this is logically impossible; it is a circular answer. If there is not a determining cause for the thought process, making a choice would be impossible. To be self-determined, one must be eternal and therefore uncaused. The determinative cause cannot be self-determined, without influence of past experience, state of mind or knowledge. Freewill contradicts this; it says you can reach up into the eternal realm and grab self-determination (uninfluenced); but this is not possible.
When one who supports the idea of Freewill or self-determinism is asked “why you did something he has no answer”. He will resort to a non-answer like “because I wanted to”. When asked why he wanted to he responses “because I choice to want to”; when asked why he choice to want to, he responses “because I wanted to choice to want to” … and on and on the circular reason goes.
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That's my guess
1. What does "independent" really mean to these folks?
2. Those insisting on self-determinism don't think it through, but only (usually) insist on what is dear to them, that their decisions are only real if God did not also decide.
Both of these notions, as they hold to them, are polar opposites of what simple logic demands, if God is God.