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🤔 Free “Will” Or Free will… can you tell the difference in a theological discussion? 🤷🏻‍♂️

But Vain Philosophy results in only depending on part of the Bible; a Philosophical Partialism...
Col. 2:8 (KJV) Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Philosophy and empty deceit could depend upon proof-texting, but not always.
 
Reduce the Euthyphro Dilemma to the Dilemma we have today over Objective and Subjective Morality; which came first, Morality or Man? Remove God from the equation...

Well? Which came first?
I suppose man. Morality, like sin cannot exist without a host.

Pretty deep for me. I'll try to keep up.
 
Sure thing...

In Reality, Morality came first; because God came first...
Hmmm ... .did sin come first because God came first ????

Hmmm... on second thought ... I see your point.
 
Hmmm ... .did sin come first because God came first ????

Hmmm... on second thought ... I see your point.
Vain Philosophy ~ by ReverendRV * December 10

Colossians 2:8 KJV
; Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

Vanity in the Bible means empty and useless; self serving. ~ In a discussion with a Secularist I compared the Transcendent Laws of Logic to the Tree of the Knowledge of God and Evil. He said that if I could get the Laws of Logic to show the difference between Good and Evil, then I would solve the age old Debate; isn't it nice when people tell you what it takes to win them? ~ A ‘Married Bachelor’ is a popular example for the Law of Contradiction. The example shows that the Philosophical Laws of Logic Conflate with the Moral Law of God; what would a husband’s wife say if he brought a girlfriend home? Certainly a Married Bachelor can’t exist; or can he? When a husband lives his life as if he's a ‘Swinging Single’ because of his Subjective Morality (which Relativists affirm), instead of Objective Morality (which they deny); then I've proven the Transcendent Laws of Logic provide them the Knowledge of Good and Evil. But the strange thing is, some Relativists affirm that the Laws of Logic are Objective but not Transcendent; go figure...

Do you live your life as a Married Bachelor? Most are familiar with the television show ‘The Bachelor’. What if on the last episode, the Bachelorette found out the Bachelor is Married; but ‘to him’ he is still a Bachelor? ~ What would you call the Bachelor for Lying? Have you ever told a Lie?? What would you call someone who Stole from you? Have you Stolen even one thing? Have you ever committed Adultery? Jesus said that if you’ve Lusted after someone, then you’ve committed Adultery in your Heart. Would our Married Bachelor have committed Adultery just by being on the show? Then you are an Adulterer too! We can see how Vain their Philosophy is when they believe in Objectivity and in Subjectivity, that’s a violation of the Law of Contradiction; Vanity of Vanities! ~ If God judged you by his standard, would you be innocent or guilty? Would you go to Heaven or to Hell? Does this bother you even in the least??

For God so loved the world he gave his only unique Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting Life! Jesus Christ was conceived of the Holy Spirit and this granted him a Sinless advantage in life. He remained Sinless and qualified to be the spotless sacrifice for the Sins of the world. He shed his blood, died on a Cross to satisfy the Wrath of God against all who now believe; and to purify us so we are acceptable to God. We’re Saved by Grace through Faith in the Resurrected Jesus Christ, not by any Work we could ever do to earn our Justification. Repent of your Sins, Confess Jesus Christ as your Lord God; and join a Church that always preaches the Bible; a Church that also looks for Lost Souls. ~ The Laws of Logic are accepted as Transcendent by Philosophers and by Christians. Both sides will agree we didn’t invent the Laws, but discovered them. How can they exist without a Transcendent Intellect then?

Jeremiah 15:16 KJV; Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.
 
Vain Philosophy ~ by ReverendRV * December 10
Gee, you authored that? That's deep stuff. You're going to have to throw me a life jacket if you talk that deeply. :giggle:
 
Not entirely true. While man's will is in bondage to his sin nature, nonetheless the will is free to act in accordance with that nature. After all, God's will, too, is in "bondage" -- to his holy nature, which is why he cannot sin. Yet, would we say of God that his will isn't free because he cannot sin? Likewise, we cannot say that man's will isn't free simply because he cannot not sin.
You are engaging here, in what is known as anthropomorphism. God is not like us. You can't assess his will as separate from himself.
 
I accuse him of being the YouTubes guy, but he SAYS he isn't 😉

If you are referring to the Consistent Calvinist in the CCShort clips that is not me. His name is Collin. I started using his long videos and cutting them down into bite size clips for twitter, with his permission of course. Hence the speed of some of them. Then people on twitter asked me to start posting them on YouTube so I asked Collin if he was ok with it and he was very supportive of the idea so I started copying them over to YouTube then I started formatting the newer ones for YouTube.

In the beginning of this one you can hear Collin give me a shout out for putting in the effort (about 35 seconds in).

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I am free in the sense that I can call you what I like,LOL....as an example.

As for my will....that’s a different story....my will must line up with the will of God, for my life...and he knows exactly how to do that through the Holy Spirit.....just my simple thinking..lol.
 
I am free in the sense that I can call you what I like,LOL....as an example.

As for my will....that’s a different story....my will must line up with the will of God, for my life...and he knows exactly how to do that through the Holy Spirit.....just my simple thinking..lol.

How did you know that your will to "call [us] what [you] like, LOL" was not ultimately determined by the will of God?
 
How did you know that your will to "call [us] what [you] like, LOL" was not ultimately determined by the will of God?
Good question....what do you think...do you believe our will was ultimately determined by the will of God?

Makes sense to me, now you mention it..I would never have looked at it that way...👍
 
"Will" playing Chess with God, is like saying "Morality" is playing Chess with God; it's the Euthyphro Dilemma, but with different Players. Which came first; God or Morality? That's the Euthyphro Dilemma. Which came first; Will or God?

That's the Flowers Dilemma...

God always comes first in Logical Order. A Christian like Professor Flowers shouldn't have a Dilemma THIS similar to THAT Atheistic Objection...
Key to most non-C positions on morality is the assumption of autonomous morality or an autonomous moral system. This is a critical thing to note, for they often take one side of the dilemma. This is a necessary assumption, for they use this autonomous standard to critique Calvinism.

Personally, I hold that the dilemma falsely assumes a hollow god (not capitalized on purpose, due to a straw man deity). The dilemma was originally birthed in Greek polytheism, so it makes sense with a bunch of capricious gods running around creating havoc. However, everything changes when the God over all comes into the picture. Morality/goodness is not above or autonomous from God, nor is morality/goodness something that God just arbitrarily imposes. Rather, morality/goodness is intrinsic to God's nature. God Himself is the highest standard.
 
Good question....what do you think...do you believe our will was ultimately determined by the will of God?
Short Answer: YES

More Musings: Is God all powerful if we can do something independent of him? Can God determine all things and be free to so if we operate independently, can God learn from us via observing what we do independent of him, is God's freedom to choose limited by His need to respond to our self-determinations

Long Answer:
Self-determinism, as proposed by freewill, means one makes choices independent of God and any other influence. But this is logically impossible; it is a circular answer. If there is not a determining cause for the thought process, making a choice would be impossible. To be self-determined, one must be eternal and therefore uncaused. The determinative cause cannot be self-determined, without influence of past experience, state of mind or knowledge. Freewill contradicts this; it says you can reach up into the eternal realm and grab self-determination (uninfluenced); but this is not possible.
When one who supports the idea of Freewill or self-determinism is asked “why you did something he has no answer”. He will resort to a non-answer like “because I wanted to”. When asked why he wanted to he responses “because I choice to want to”; when asked why he choice to want to, he responses “because I wanted to choice to want to” … and on and on the circular reason goes.
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If you are referring to the Consistent Calvinist in the CCShort clips that is not me. His name is Collin. I started using his long videos and cutting them down into bite size clips for twitter, with his permission of course. Hence the speed of some of them. Then people on twitter asked me to start posting them on YouTube so I asked Collin if he was ok with it and he was very supportive of the idea so I started copying them over to YouTube then I started formatting the newer ones for YouTube.

In the beginning of this one you can hear Collin give me a shout out for putting in the effort (about 35 seconds in).

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How have you been? Missing you.
 
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