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WW III and the rebuilding of the temple

it's obvious when Jesus returns on the white horse...or symbolically...the bible isn't speaking about the rapture.

The answer...Jesus returns twice.
Wrong~There is only one more coming of Jesus on the last day. Saints will be "caught up" that's all the word rapture means, nothing more. This will take place on the last day, which means there will be no more days after this day! All this takes place at the seventh of God's judgments of Revelation. Even Paul said this in his epistles:

1st Corinthians 15:51,52​

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."

There are no more trumpets after this seventh and final trumpet! The pre-mill have others after this one when the church is caught up to be with Christ, they are so wrong on all of their eschatology teachings.

 
Exactly. The bible tells how Jesus left....they didn't mention a white horse nor did they mention any symbolism.

it's obvious when Jesus returns on the white horse...or symbolically...the bible isn't speaking about the rapture.

The answer...Jesus returns twice.
Jesus as the Son of man flesh and blood does not return.

His body has long returned to the dust .

He will receive a new body on the last day under the Sun just as any of the sons of God . .Christians .

God is not a racist man

Why hope in reincarnation?


2 Corinthians 5:16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.
 
Exactly. The bible tells how Jesus left....they didn't mention a white horse nor did they mention any symbolism.

it's obvious when Jesus returns on the white horse...or symbolically...the bible isn't speaking about the rapture.

The answer...Jesus returns twice.
The book of Acts is narrative literature. The book of Revelation is apocalyptic literature.
 
Wrong~There is only one more coming of Jesus on the last day. Saints will be "caught up" that's all the word rapture means, nothing more.
No, Two more comings.
This will take place on the last day, which means there will be no more days after this day! All this takes place at the seventh of God's judgments of Revelation. Even Paul said this in his epistles:

1st Corinthians 15:51,52​

“Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,at the last trump:for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed."
Over the years I have heard several definitions of what the trumpet is.
Gods trumpet, Angels trumpet in Revelation, a blowing of a trumpet at the end of a festival and so on. Heck, even Donals Trump.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.

15 Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet,
There are no more trumpets after this seventh and final trumpet! The pre-mill have others after this one when the church is caught up to be with Christ, they are so wrong on all of their eschatology teachings.
The rapture/resurrection mentions the trump of God...not angels.
 
The book of Acts is narrative literature. The book of Revelation is apocalyptic literature.
It's interesting that Lukes narrative literature in Acts left out the white horse.
BTW...so did Mark and Luke in their gospel description of the ascension.

You have not answered the question.....why a white horse in the return but not ascension.
OR more in your terms...
Why such symbolism at the return and none mentioned at the ascension?

The two return scenarios have a much better fit.
 
It's interesting that Lukes narrative literature in Acts left out the white horse.
BTW...so did Mark and Luke in their gospel description of the ascension.
That is because the white horse is symbolic and is in apocalyptic literature. The accounts in Acts, Luke, and Mark are not given as apocalyptic literature but as linear narrative literature.
You have not answered the question.....why a white horse in the return but not ascension.
OR more in your terms...
Why such symbolism at the return and none mentioned at the ascension?
I have answered the question at least twice, maybe three times. See the immediately above that you just read. If you do not understand what I am saying, ask me, and I will try and clear it up.
The two return scenarios have a much better fit.
What do you mean?
 
It is definitely a Dispensational view of eschatology that you have been presenting, irregardless of what you do or don't call yourself. It is a Dispensational framework of interpreting the entire Bible that leads to the Dispensational view of interpreting apocalyptic prophecy.
Really now? So that makes you the expert on me? It is not a dispensational framework, it is a premillennial framework as the premillennial framework has always been in favor of Israel. Even Augustine had to admit after reading scripture that the Bible shows that in the end Israel is saved/redeemed. If I recall from a couple decades or so ago, he had said that that does not mean they had to treat Jews well in the mean time.
And I repeat what I said above. It is the view that is being debated, not the name. So calm down.
Dispensationalism INCLUDES an eschatology, but it isn't the eschatology. That is called dispensational premillennialism. I am futurist premillennialist, and believe that while God treats the church made up of Gentiles and Jews distinctly from the nation of Israel until He is done dealing with the Nation of Israel, puts no division between Jews and Gentiles such as in the church. If a Jew becomes a believer they are part of the church. If they are elect, but not yet a believer, they are part of Israel, and as Paul says, our enemies for the sake of the gospel.
And those are the things being debated.

Completely irrelevant.

Where does SCRIPTURE ever say the church will be rebuilt or need to be rebuilt?
The temple, not the church. And there are certain prophecies that exist that speak of an earthly temple complete with measurements that is completely out of line with the first and second temples, in which Jewish ceremonies such as blood sacrifices will be practiced. (Ezekiel 40-48). There is going to be a third temple. It is going to happen. Whether it is before Jesus second coming, or after, there will be a third temple. I had believed that it would be after Jesus second coming, until I had read some ECF from the 2nd century I beleive, who cleared things up in regards to the temple and its place in the end times. (These are the people who could have talked face to face with the apostles, or knew people who did speak face to face to the apostles. Polycarp and Ignatius (both premillennialists) were both disciples of the apostle John. Papias and Irenaeus, also premillenniliasts, were students of Polycarp. If you want to read a very moving story of faith and love, read about Polycarp's martyrdom. It's an eye opener, and heart wrenching in a good way.
National/ethnic Israel? Or the true descendants of Abraham---all those in Christ?
Israel is made up of both the physical descendants of Abraham, and the physical/spiritual descendants of Abraham through Isaac. Didn't even Paul speak of the remnant existing within Israel. They are non-believers, however, at the heart of who they are they have not rejected God. They are like Paul who also did not reject God, though he had originally rejected Jesus, and even attacked Jesus and His children openly.
Define Great Tribulation. And support the definition biblically.
Really?
The font? It was a rhetorical question meant to end what was happening.
I had told myself that I could see your character through your response to this, and... let's say I'm disappointed, but not. Apparently I read you right the first time so many months ago. I'm the poor man in the rich person's church, and you have reserved that seat for a rich guy, and are sending me on my way. (Perhaps you will remember that.)
Oh my gosh. See above.
Here is what you said in response to a post I made all because after you posted something about consulting signs and stars and whatnot to see when Jesus will return I suggested you also check with the teas leaves.
I'm not watching or consulting stars. Unless you are calling the Magi and following Jesus star incredulous and on the level of checking tea leaves. That's the only time I mentioned stars. I said the Jews missed Jesus coming because they spiritualized away the prophecies and did not take them at face value, that is, how given. I mean, the Magi came to Herod, and they may have been there with them, and basically told Herod a King had been born in Israel. The Jewish religious leaders had no problem telling Herod where the King would be born because they knew the prophecies. It was probably a very well known prophecy. Yet, even with the Magi there, they completely missed Jesus.
It is always true that he MAY becoming at any moment. But according to Jesus looking for signs is not what we are told to do. According to Jesus he said be ready. He would come as a thief in the night, when you least expect it.
So no 10 bridesmaids? What Jesus told the disciples is that they should not be looking for Jesus to return the kingdom to Israel at that time, for that is the Father's business and He is the One who established those seasons and epochs (to include Jesus returning the kingdom to Israel). They are to be spreading the gospel and being Christ's ambassadors.
So what do you say Jesus meant by "be ready"?
Pack your bags and be ready to go? Or, occupy ourselves with His gospel. You do know Jesus gave us signs so we would be looking right? The only signs He didn't give were for the final judgment, and the consummation of the age. All He could say is that it would be like in the days of Noah and then, bam. Judgment time.
 
That is because the white horse is symbolic and is in apocalyptic literature. The accounts in Acts, Luke, and Mark are not given as apocalyptic literature but as linear narrative literature.
Believe me....if Jesus was taken up to heaven on a white horse...or in symbolic splendor....they would have said something about it.

Remember...

11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

The biblical description of the ascension in Acts, Luke or Mark is NOTHING like Jesus' glorious return.

The Rider on the White Horse

11Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood,c and His name is The Word of God.

14The armies of heaven, dressed in fine linen, white and pure, follow Him on white horses. 15And from His mouth proceeds a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations, and He will rule them with an iron scepter.d He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty.16And He has a name written on His robe and on His thigh:

KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
 
Really now? So that makes you the expert on me?
Talking about me again.

I did not invent it, I learned it----by studying it. And I go by what you say. It has nothing to do with you personally. It is a discussion about a topic.
It is not a dispensational framework, it is a premillennial framework as the premillennial framework has always been in favor of Israel.
Premillennialism is not a framework, it is an interpretation. Dispensational theology is a framework of interpretation. Covenant theology is a framework of interpretation (interpretive tool). The two completely change the way in which OT prophecy is interpreted. The first jumps to conclusion that imo break the story of redemption into two distinct and separate parts, and creates contradictions. Covenant theology keeps the Bible, which is the story of redemption in a historical setting, one straight line from the promise of Gen 3 of the seed to the consummation.

Two excellent books for those who are not so married to a view they hold as to refuse to look at anything else. (It helps to know what one is talking about when they talk about it.) Far as the Curse is Found: The Covenant Story of Redemption by Michael D. Williams. A Case for Amillennialism: Understanding the End Times by Kim Riddlebarger.

I began as a dispensational pre trib rapture, premillennialist. It is pretty much all that is taught and it is taught as a absolute without any examination or even mention of other legitimate views. Curiosity does not kill the cat as they say, when it comes to seeking above all else the truth of the things of God, and a desire to grow in knowledge and understanding. Even if we find we must give up our pet eschatological doctrines. But it will not happen by osmosis. It takes work and study.
 
Talking about me again.

I did not invent it, I learned it----by studying it. And I go by what you say. It has nothing to do with you personally. It is a discussion about a topic.

Premillennialism is not a framework, it is an interpretation. Dispensational theology is a framework of interpretation. Covenant theology is a framework of interpretation (interpretive tool). The two completely change the way in which OT prophecy is interpreted. The first jumps to conclusion that imo break the story of redemption into two distinct and separate parts, and creates contradictions. Covenant theology keeps the Bible, which is the story of redemption in a historical setting, one straight line from the promise of Gen 3 of the seed to the consummation.

Two excellent books for those who are not so married to a view they hold as to refuse to look at anything else. (It helps to know what one is talking about when they talk about it.) Far as the Curse is Found: The Covenant Story of Redemption by Michael D. Williams. A Case for Amillennialism: Understanding the End Times by Kim Riddlebarger.

I began as a dispensational pre trib rapture, premillennialist. It is pretty much all that is taught and it is taught as a absolute without any examination or even mention of other legitimate views. Curiosity does not kill the cat as they say, when it comes to seeking above all else the truth of the things of God, and a desire to grow in knowledge and understanding. Even if we find we must give up our pet eschatological doctrines. But it will not happen by osmosis. It takes work and study.
That is what you aren't understanding about me. I don't see eschatology as "doctrine" perse. It is eschatology. I have a framework of premillennialism, of which there is more then one flavor. Premillennialism predates dispensationalism by millennia. The ECFs were historical premillennialists, and whenever they talked about years in regards to the end time, it was 3 1/2 years, and not 7. The last half of Daniel's 70th week. They considered that to be the Great Tribulation.

I though Jesus did a good job of defining Great Tribulation in Matthew 24. I mean, we have great, which modifies... tribulation. So before you can understand what it is, you have to define tribulation. That is suffering, stress, pressure, etc. Now we take great to the front of that. Great suffering, great stress, great pressure. Then we add Jesus framing of the Great Tribulation by saying that if this period of great suffering, great stress, and great pressure were not shortened, there would be no life left on Earth. Earth population: 0. I'm sure Jesus said enough to explain exactly what He was talking about. Don't dance around it. He said it would be such a great tribulation that there has not been anything like it in the history of the world, while the Old Testament says of this "time of Jacob's trouble" in the history of the nation of Israel, and would not ever again be something like it. So there is only one time, since the history of Israel, that God would wipe out the whole population of Earth, and this is it. So the time was shortened for the sake of the elect. God decided not to kill them with everyone else.

I mean, read what Jesus said about it. Jesus said " 16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains. 17 [h]Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house. 18 [i]Whoever is in the field must not turn back to get his cloak. 19 But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! 20 But pray that your flight will not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be a great tribulation,"

It doesn't read like it is going to be a party, or some easy time. Everyone has to RUN because the Great Tribulation is coming. I mean, it seems to say that if one doesn't run, they are done. And it will be such that if one is pregnant or nursing babies, they may be done. They may not get away and face that which Jesus says they must flee.

"such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. 22 Unless those days had been cut short, no [j]life would have been saved; but for the sake of the [k]elect those days will be cut short."

The quality of the tribulation will be such that there will have been nothing like it since the beginning of the world until Jesus spoke, nor ever will be after. No life would be save if the days had not been cut short. So, God has already stated to us His plan that the tribulation will not run its full course, for the sake of the elect.

I don't believe there is any special interpretation that has to be done here. I believe Jesus was clear to His disciples, since scripture says that He was clear when speaking to his disciples. I mean, He gave a parable here and immediately expressed the meaning and why Jesus told them. Just as the parable shows how one can tell summer is near, just as for you, when you see these signs, Jesus second coming is at the door. Jesus did not leave them wondering what He was talking about.
 
Dispensationalism INCLUDES an eschatology, but it isn't the eschatology.
A Dispensational interpretive framework leads to the eschatology.
That is called dispensational premillennialism. I am futurist premillennialist, and believe that while God treats the church made up of Gentiles and Jews distinctly from the nation of Israel until He is done dealing with the Nation of Israel, puts no division between Jews and Gentiles such as in the church.
The millennial view has to do with when the thousand years occur. Then there is futurist, idealist, preterist,partial preteris, historic. That has to do with the way Revelation is interpreted. I would most fit idealist/amillennialism. (But I thought you didn't like labels.) In any case both you and dispensational premillennialists divide the story of redemption and view the millennial as a literal thousand years. a rebuilt temple, as Christ's return and something else to follow that. Both views define the tribulation into a certain number of years and see and read the judgements in Rev as chronological and recurring. That is what I see you saying and that is enough discussion on who is what and whether or not I "get you."
 
I had told myself that I could see your character through your response to this, and... let's say I'm disappointed, but not. Apparently I read you right the first time so many months ago. I'm the poor man in the rich person's church, and you have reserved that seat for a rich guy, and are sending me on my way. (Perhaps you will remember that.)
Like I said earlier. They always get angry and resort to insulting those who disagree with them, instead of dealing with the content.
 
Covenant theology keeps the Bible, which is the story of redemption in a historical setting, one straight line from the promise of Gen 3 of the seed to the consummation.
The bible is more than a story of redemption...or should I say the scope of redemption is bigger than you think.

I would bet there were people who said the disciples were futurist when they explained Isaiah 53 and other prophetic...futuristic...verses.
Nah, Isaiah 53 is about Israel...not Jesus. They still do it till today.

Revelation is futuristic. But, still there are the ney-sayers. It's a time that speaks of the time of Jacobs trouble. "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be." Matt 24:21.

So, they say the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and spreading of the Jews was that trouble....but that wasn't the first time the temple was destroyed and the people scattered. People can't even imagine the trouble Revelation speaks about.
BUT....
Some in the Church want to tell us about the 7 mountain mandate...where christianity has a future control over...
1) Education
2) Religion
3) Family
4) Business
5) Government/Military
6) Arts/Entertainment
7) Media
......When fully accomplished Christ can return....on a white horse.

The problem I have is the book of Revelation doesn't point in that direction.

There are some who can't give up their pet eschatological doctrines....and understand the bible is more than a story of redemption...or should I say the scope of redemption is bigger than you think.

BTW....Hal Lindsey, whose apocalyptic books shaped Christian theology and popularized end times prophecy, passed away at 95 just the other day. (article)
 
The bible is more than a story of redemption...or should I say the scope of redemption is bigger than you think.
I am wondering how you would know what I think and on what you are basing that claim.
I would bet there were people who said the disciples were futurist when they explained Isaiah 53 and other prophetic...futuristic...verses.
Nah, Isaiah 53 is about Israel...not Jesus. They still do it till today.
Relevance?
Revelation is futuristic. But, still there are the ney-sayers. It's a time that speaks of the time of Jacobs trouble. "For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be." Matt 24:21.
Does it say it is speaking of Jacob's trouble or are you surmising that? And do you mean the whole book of Revelation or Matt. 24:21. And how do you know that the destruction that came upon Jerusalem in a.d.70 was not the worst tribulation that Jerusalem will ever see? Are you surmising again because it fits your presuppositions.
So, they say the destruction of the temple in 70 AD and spreading of the Jews was that trouble....but that wasn't the first time the temple was destroyed and the people scattered. People can't even imagine the trouble Revelation speaks about.
Ask the martyrs how they feel about that. Or those wiped out during the inquisition and crusades. Or those who lived during the dark ages or the little ice age? Ask those who died at HItler's hand. Those who have died or barely survived during famines, earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, wars.

It may also refer to the Babylonian exile. That is when the Jews were scattered.
Some in the Church want to tell us about the 7 mountain mandate...where christianity has a future control over...
1) Education
2) Religion
3) Family
4) Business
5) Government/Military
6) Arts/Entertainment
7) Media
......When fully accomplished Christ can return....on a white horse.
That is postmillennialism and as far as I know they do not say he is returning on a white horse.
Are you able to address amillennialism?
The problem I have is the book of Revelation doesn't point in that direction.
And neither does it point in the direction of a seven year tribulation or a pre-trib rapture, two returns of Christ, or a literal thousand year reign of Jesus prior to the resurrection of the redeemed. Not if Revelation is interpreted as a piece of the whole instead of an isolated puzzle.

There are some who can't give up their pet eschatological doctrines....and understand the bible is more than a story of redemption...or should I say the scope of redemption is bigger than you think.
What is the more? Please don't ignore that question.
BTW....Hal Lindsey, whose apocalyptic books shaped Christian theology and popularized end times prophecy, passed away at 95 just the other day. (article)
What is your point? That does not make it right it just makes it popular. Mass hypnosis.
 
A Dispensational interpretive framework leads to the eschatology.
Then it couldn't be mine, because I don't follow dispensationalism. (Or covenant theology). I agree with some of what dispensationalism says, in that I do feel that God's "economy" was different at different points in time, however, there is one overarching plan of redemption over all of that. That plan has not been changed, altered, balanced, realigned, etc. It is exactly as it was when God determinned it before the foundation of the world. NOTHING has changed of God's plan. This creation, life, our lives, is just an unfolding of what God had already determined. It is more then we could hope to comprehend, because we are still living it. It is still our actions.
The millennial view has to do with when the thousand years occur.
It has to do with when Jesus returns. The premillennial view says Jesus returns before the 1000 years. The postmillennial view says Jesus returns AFTER, and the millennium is the church age. We bring about the Kingdom by conquering the Earth and Satan for God, and then Jesus returns. The amillennial view allegorizes/spiritualizes it all, while the premillennial view keeps it physical. Just as Jesus first coming was physical and not spiritual.
Then there is futurist, idealist, preterist,partial preteris, historic. That has to do with the way Revelation is interpreted.
Not just Revelation, though how one handles Revelation may be the fastest way to identify someone.
I would most fit idealist/amillennialism. (But I thought you didn't like labels.)
In this case I don't, because I have no idea what that is. The last thing I read basically said that only classical amillennialism has a scriptural foundation. However, that is someone else's opinion.
In any case both you and dispensational premillennialists divide the story of redemption
I do? I mean, there is a division with Old and New Statments, with the Law coming prior to the full unveiling of grace, but even then, there is no divide. Those who believed, but died before Jesus, were still saved by grace. It was credited to them before Jesus cashed it in (so to speak). They had the vouchers/tickets, and Jesus punched them. God credited Abraham's faith (isn't that grace in a nutshell) as righteousness. The question no one knew to ask was... whose righteousness was credited to him. Jesus' righteousness, just as Jesus' righteousness is credited to us. There is no difference in redemption between the Old and New testament. How it unfolded between before and after Jesus death may differ, however, in the end there is no difference. Israel was offered salvation in Christ, but rejected (individual Jews acepted). Due to this rejection, the gospel came to the Gentiles and they readily accepted. In the end, since the Gentiles accepted, Israel will get another chance. The elect of Israel will be saved.
and view the millennial as a literal thousand years. a rebuilt temple, as Christ's return and something else to follow that. Both views define the tribulation into a certain number of years and see and read the judgements in Rev as chronological and recurring. That is what I see you saying and that is enough discussion on who is what and whether or not I "get you."
Yes, a literal thousand years, though it doesn't matter if it is 999 years, or 1001 years, it is still going to be the kingdom of David's seed in Jerusalem. It will end (this temporal kingdom) with the final defeat of Satan and death, and final judgment. The rebuilt temple is a toss up. As I said, I had no real stance on it (other then after the Tribulation if at all), until recently as I have done more extensive research, going back to the Early Church Fathers.

No one seems to get me, especially if they keep saying 2p2p...
 
Like I said earlier. They always get angry and resort to insulting those who disagree with them, instead of dealing with the content.
I am still waiting for you to deal with the content from my earlier comment. I mean, it is not like I expected you to respond, because to respond to it puts one on mystery ice. Is it thick or thin?

To keep this as close to truthful as possible, you said to define the Great Tribulation using scripture I believe, in a previous comment. (Perhaps to someone else.) Since this touches a little on my previous comment, here is a fleshed out response.

Great tribulation. We know what tribulation is. We know what Great does to a word. It doesn't make it good. I mean, if you talk about the fire of *whatever*, then it's basically, oh, OK. A fire. If someone talks to you about the GREAT fire of *whatever*, now you want to know how bad it was. It wasn't simply a fire, it was a great fire, the damage must have been extensive. The great tribulation. such as (that is, the tribulation is so great) that it has no like, parallel, or comparison in all of history. The pinnacle of tribulations. The distress, the pressure, the stress, will be cranked up not to 10, but to 11. What Jesus tells them they need to do, and woe to those who are pregnant or nursing, I mean, this isn't some walk through the park tribulation. You have no time to do anything but run.

Jesus further defined it by saying that if the time of this tribulation was not shortened, there would be no life left on the planet.

There is one event where all life could be wiped out, and none remains in the book of Revelation. Revelation 19. The armies of the beast and his allies wipe out Israel, and then Jesus comes down with His heavenly armies and wipes out everyone else. No life left on Earth. What do we have, the armies arrayed for the final event... and then Jesus cuts it short with His second coming.
 
Most people don't know just how much work the Jews have put into rebuilding the temple.

Israel did become a nation in 1948.
The nations mentioned in Ezekiel 38 and 39....are currently aligned as per biblical prophecy.
Currently it looks like the Abrahamic Accord may be the future peace treaty (covenant) mentioned in Daniel 9:27.

As for the people of the world destroying itself-ourselves...won't happen.
There will be no nuclear war that wipes out the earth...why? The bible doesn't say it ends that way. But, that doesn't mean a city or two can't be nuked.

The reversing of the magnetic poles...????.....You would have to find something in Revelation that would be described that as happening and the effects from it.
Some say the Good Friday comet of 2029 may be Wormwood....all we can do is speculate.
It's good to see you always turning to scripture for answers.
 
That is true....

Right now Trump is the only guy running around saying I and only I can bring peace. He's even tied into the 'deal of the century' and Abrahamic Accord" that his son-in-law was involved in. Trump made Jerusalem the capitol. Now, I'm not saying he is or he isn't....If Trump is, the piece will fit. If he isn't, try another piece.
Are you trying to interpret scripture by world events?
 
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I am still waiting for you to deal with the content from my earlier comment. I mean, it is not like I expected you to respond, because to respond to it puts one on mystery ice. Is it thick or thin?
In case you hadn't noticed, I usually break up your posts so as not to make one long post or because I have to do other things, or am simply done dealing for awhile. When I come back online, there are new posts to respond to. So I have not yet gone through all of all of your posts. And sometimes they are so far off the subject into a different field it is not prudent to feed that bear. Or in order to give a correct response to isolated assertions of an interpretation requires an exegesis of the entire book of Revelation with instruction on the proper way to read apocalyptic prophecy. And the last is something the serious Bible student should learn on their own and before they start stating their beliefs and interpretations as fact.
 
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Are you trying to interpret scrip[ture by world events?
I would say he is forcing scripture onto current events, and seeing what doesn't pop out from underneath. For instance, I don't believe straight up that this is fulfillment of prophecy, however, when scripture is placed on top, a lot of it falls underneath, enough to raise an eyebrow. (A single eyebrow...)
 
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