The Rapture/Resurrection of the Church is near.

[CrowCross]

Then why tell everyone the rapture is near?

Because it is. I have presented you with several reasons. Would you like me to give you a specific date?????

That's not a rhetorical question. If one is available, I would like a genuine, sincere answer to that question.

And I will simply ask you what, exactly, you mean by "sooner." Nothing is accomplished by changing the "near" to "sooner than you think."

When discussing when the rapture/resurrection will happen one has to talk in somewhat loose terms....as explained there is a "window" of opportunity. Will God use this line-up of current human events ...or...if His people repents....

2 Chron17;14 if my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

Maybe God will put it off a little bit longer. Do you think the Christians are repenting?

Let's start simple. Basic. Relevant to this op's assertion the rapture/resurrection of the Church is near...

• What does the word "near" mean to you?
• What does the word "soon" mean to you?

Next month? Tomorrow? January 1st? 2030 is near.

What does near or soon mean to you?

The dictionary states the definition of "near" is "a short time away in the future, a short time ahead, within a brief period of time," and the definition of "soon" is "promptly, in or after a short time, without undue lapse of time." Are these the definitions you are using in the title of this op? Are these the definitions the reader is supposed to use when reading the title of this op? Is the title of this op intended to be understood to say the rapture/resurrection of the Church is a short time away; it will occur within a brief period of time without undue lapse of time?

If not, then please provide definitions for the terms used so that everyone may understand what is being asserted with disparity.

I think the meaning has been presented and is obvious. You seem to want me to set a specific date...and call that "near".
All I have done is present evidence that lines up with today's times...in other words what we see today is just as the bible predicted.
The window is open....and as time moves on, if allowed, the window will close as future current events and technology will move past what the bible describes as the conditions for the tribulation and pre-trib rapture.

 

[Arial]

Much of this reply will get lost due to the simple ad-hoc way in which you replied.

Ad hoc fallacy:
An ad hoc fallacy occurs when someone introduces new information or assumptions into a argument to rescue it from refutation or criticism. How is @Red Baker post ad hoc. Keep in mind that information provided in Scripture is not new information and it is also the foundational information.

 

[CrowCross]

Ad hoc fallacy:
An ad hoc fallacy occurs when someone introduces new information or assumptions into a argument to rescue it from refutation or criticism. How is @Red Baker post ad hoc. Keep in mind that information provided in Scripture is not new information and it is also the foundational information.

Not all, but several of the replies fit that definition.

You typically see that kind of response on a forum when people read a statement...and reply back with very little or no thought as well as no commentary.

When a reply is ..."But not so from the scriptures."...and no reason given, that's pretty much Ad-hoc. Now, if you don't like that term, what would you suggest as a better term?

 

[Josheb]

Because it is.

Yes, I read that it is supposed to happen October 2023 or October 24 and I read you do not know when it is going to happen. Think how the reader reads the posts. I do not know when it will happen, but it is near, it will happen soon, maybe this October or the next.

We know only what we read.

I have presented you with several reasons.

I am not currently interested in the reasons why the assertion is made. I am currently interested solely in the assertion the rapture/resurrection of the Church is near. A lot of time, effort, and cyberspace can be saved if appeals to the "reasons" are not posted again and again ad nauseam.

Would you like me to give you a specific date?????

Definitely. If you believe you can predict the rapture will occur on a specific date, then I would like to read that specific date

When discussing when the rapture/resurrection will happen one has to talk in somewhat loose terms....as explained there is a "window" of opportunity.

Fine then give me the "window" during which the rapture will occur.

Next month? Tomorrow? January 1st? 2030 is near.

So then NOT this October or next? Maybe three from now? Maybe more?

What does near or soon mean to you?

I think the meaning has been presented and is obvious. You seem to want me to set a specific date...and call that "near".

All I want is for you to explain your own post when it comes to the assertion the rapture/resurrection of the Church is near. Nothing more.

All I have done is....

...make a claim and then vacillate.


My question about this op has not changed since I first posted it. My question is singular, and I hope the answer is succinct and does not take a lot of effort to answer. Would you please just tell me what it is you actually believe, and believe with every fiber of your being so substantively that you think it important for every Christian here to know and understand specifically pertaining to the assertion the rapture/resurrection of the Church is near?

 

[Arial]

All I have done is present evidence that lines up with today's times...in other words what we see today is just as the bible predicted.

Read history. That has always been the case. Remember the ice age, the dark ages, the slaughter of Christians, the martyrs, the massive earthquakes? And why on earth do you think God depends on technology? All those things existed during Jesus' first adeven, existed within the apostolic era, exist today, will exist tomorrow. Why do you think God needs a window?

The window is open....and as time moves on, if allowed, the window will close as future current events and technology will move past what the bible describes as the conditions for the tribulation and pre-trib rapture.

Unless Crow there is no pre-trib rapture because there is no seven year tribulation age. Before you make the declarations that you have made, it is necessary to prove over and against other interpretations of Revelation, that your view is the correct one. There are books that do that for you that you will not read so you yourself have the comparisons to make. The best I have come across in its thoroughness and easiness to follow is A Case for Amillennialism by Kim Riddlebarger.

Is an unwillingness to do this simply a refusal to come across any information that may change the view from what it is?

 

[CrowCross]

Yes, I read that it is supposed to happen October 2023 or October 24 and I read you do not know when it is going to happen. Think how the reader reads the posts. I do not know when it will happen, but it is near, it will happen soon, maybe this October or the next.

We know only what we read.

I am not currently interested in the reasons why the assertion is made. I am currently interested solely in the assertion the rapture/resurrection of the Church is near. A lot of time, effort, and cyberspace can be saved if appeals to the "reasons" are not posted again and again ad nauseam.

Definitely. If you believe you can predict the rapture will occur on a specific date, then I would like to read that specific date

Fine then give me the "window" during which the rapture will occur.

So then NOT this October or next? Maybe three from now? Maybe more?

All I want is for you to explain your own post when it comes to the assertion the rapture/resurrection of the Church is near. Nothing more.

...make a claim and then vacillate.


My question about this op has not changed since I first posted it. My question is singular, and I hope the answer is succinct and does not take a lot of effort to answer. Would you please just tell me what it is you actually believe, and believe with every fiber of your being so substantively that you think it important for every Christian here to know and understand specifically pertaining to the assertion the rapture/resurrection of the Church is near?

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I have said USING CURRENT EVENTS AND BIBLICAL PROPHECY....THERE SEEMS TO BE A WINDOW OF OPPERTUNITY FOR THE RAPTURE/RESURRECTION TO BE VERY NEAR.

I don't know how it will play out....I don't know how fast technology will advance....I don't know if God will tarry....all I know is that what I have presented in my OP is NOW.....or almost now.

Show me how it isn't now...or near....or MOVE ON.

 

[CrowCross]

Read history. That has always been the case. Remember the ice age, the dark ages, the slaughter of Christians, the martyrs, the massive earthquakes? And why on earth do you think God depends on technology? All those things existed during Jesus' first adeven, existed within the apostolic era, exist today, will exist tomorrow. Why do you think God needs a window?

We're talking world wide...yes there has always been localized events....but as I've said, we're talking world wide.

Unless Crow there is no pre-trib rapture because there is no seven year tribulation age. Before you make the declarations that you have made, it is necessary to prove over and against other interpretations of Revelation, that your view is the correct one. There are books that do that for you that you will not read so you yourself have the comparisons to make. The best I have come across in its thoroughness and easiness to follow is A Case for Amillennialism by Kim Riddlebarger.

Is an unwillingness to do this simply a refusal to come across any information that may change the view from what it is?

I will say the same thing to you as I have said to Josheb.....show me where what has been presented in the OP doesn't align with biblical prophecy.

Are you saying we....the world...hasn't developed technology that can be administered to everyone in the world to track and keep them from buying and selling? Are you honestly going to tell me this doesn't exist?

This is just one spoke of the wheel. One third of the bible is prophecy...I suggest you listen to it. The Jews missed the prophecy concerning Jesus...and many christians are missing the prophecy concerning the end times.

 

[Arial]

We're talking world wide...yes there has always been localized events....but as I've said, we're talking world wide.

And they are still localized. The world is a big place. You are reading current events into scriptures that have the scriptures do not say they should be read into. The book I suggested will walk your through the inconsistencies with Scripture that your view presents---and it will do so with Scripture. Isn't that what is important---that we keep all our beliefs consistent with the Scripture? It will walk you through, step by step, Matt 24, verifying what it claims with Scripture. But suit yourself. What is not wise to do is make claims, thereby influencing others, that you have not verified but only interpreted in one particular way.

I will say the same thing to you as I have said to Josheb.....show me where what has been presented in the OP doesn't align with biblical prophecy.

It doesn't matter whether it does or not, but it is your interpretation of biblical prophecy that you say it aligns with. There are other interpretations that do not look at the prophecy and then look at the natural events to interpret the prophecy. There are other interpretations that let the BIble interpret the prophecy.

Are you saying we....the world...hasn't developed technology that can be administered to everyone in the world to track and keep them from buying and selling? Are you honestly going to tell me this doesn't exist?

I am saying it is irrelevant to biblical prophecy. You have decided what those passages concerning the mark of the beast and the buying and selling mean. You have taken the mark to be literal and have forgotten that John is describing visions he is seeing, and that if we go back to Daniel as one example, Daniel is also seeing visions, and these visions are depicting something and are not literal. ANd another thing that is of use interpreting the mark is what Scripture says about the believer being sealed in Christ. It is not a literal mark on us. It is a spiritual fact.

So it is likely that the mark of the beast is also not literal---since this is a vision. What then could it mean that only those with the mark of the beast can buy and sell? Could it be depicting a time when the world system---the beast ( the counterfeit Christ who comes from the counterfeit God, the dragon) persecutes those who are sealed in the true Christ, to the point of not allowing them to engage in commerce. In the theology of Reformed on election, those who God gives to Christ persecuted by those he does not give to Christ.

This is just one spoke of the wheel. One third of the bible is prophecy...I suggest you listen to it. The Jews missed the prophecy concerning Jesus...and many christians are missing the prophecy concerning the end times.

I do listen to it. What makes you think I don't? Is it because I do no interpret it in the same way you do? I suggest you listen to it with ears that consider you may be wrong about a seven year tribulation and a pre-trib rapture that in your view would have Christians escaping this tribulation anyway. And the Jews did not miss the prophecy concerning Jesus---they misinterpreted it and therefore did not recognize him.

 

[Josheb]

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I will revisit this thread in a month. Thank you for having the courage and honesty to specify what "near" is intended to mean (most DPers avoid that question) and thank you for your time.

 

[CrowCross]

And they are still localized. The world is a big place.

Yes the world is a pretty big place....but not to long ago everyone was wearing a useless mask and something like 80% took the initial jab.

You are reading current events into scriptures that have the scriptures do not say they should be read into. The book I suggested will walk your through the inconsistencies with Scripture that your view presents---and it will do so with Scripture. Isn't that what is important---that we keep all our beliefs consistent with the Scripture? It will walk you through, step by step, Matt 24, verifying what it claims with Scripture. But suit yourself. What is not wise to do is make claims, thereby influencing others, that you have not verified but only interpreted in one particular way.

It is my intent to influence people to the truth and accuracy of prophecy....perhaps knowing the time is near many christians will see many people saved and escape the time of tribulation.

Am I reading current news into biblical prophecy? Perhaps, but as you very well know it doesn't take much to connect the dots.

It doesn't matter whether it does or not, but it is your interpretation of biblical prophecy that you say it aligns with. There are other interpretations that do not look at the prophecy and then look at the natural events to interpret the prophecy. There are other interpretations that let the BIble interpret the prophecy.

Such as??????

I am saying it is irrelevant to biblical prophecy. You have decided what those passages concerning the mark of the beast and the buying and selling mean. You have taken the mark to be literal and have forgotten that John is describing visions he is seeing, and that if we go back to Daniel as one example, Daniel is also seeing visions, and these visions are depicting something and are not literal. ANd another thing that is of use interpreting the mark is what Scripture says about the believer being sealed in Christ. It is not a literal mark on us. It is a spiritual fact.

How do you know the mark isn't literal? I have presented an up and coming system that currently is literal and fits the Rev 13 description to a "T".

So it is likely that the mark of the beast is also not literal---since this is a vision. What then could it mean that only those with the mark of the beast can buy and sell?

It means just what it says.

Could it be depicting a time when the world system---the beast ( the counterfeit Christ who comes from the counterfeit God, the dragon) persecutes those who are sealed in the true Christ, to the point of not allowing them to engage in commerce. In the theology of Reformed on election, those who God gives to Christ persecuted by those he does not give to Christ.

What method will be employed that will allow that to happen? How will this system know if you are of the elect or not?
The bible speaks of certain illness people will receive from the mark....Rev 16:2

I do listen to it. What makes you think I don't? Is it because I do no interpret it in the same way you do? I suggest you listen to it with ears that consider you may be wrong about a seven year tribulation and a pre-trib rapture that in your view would have Christians escaping this tribulation anyway. And the Jews did not miss the prophecy concerning Jesus---they misinterpreted it and therefore did not recognize him.

Just as you...a christian...misinterpret the prophecy.

If I've misinterpreted the prophecy...I looked at the signs of the current times and see just how well they line up. (see the OP)
Tell me, where am I wrong? Why is it so easy to connect the dots?

Luke 12:54 Then Jesus said to the crowds, “As soon as you see a cloud rising in the west, you say, ‘A shower is coming,’ and that is what happens. 55 And when the south wind blows, you say, ‘It will be hot,’ and it is. 56 You hypocrites! You know how to interpret the appearance of the earth and sky. Why don’t you know how to interpret the present time?

 

[CrowCross]

I will revisit this thread in a month. Thank you for having the courage and honesty to specify what "near" is intended to mean (most DPers avoid that question) and thank you for your time.

We'll see.

I believe christians will enter into, and already have entered into the "birth pangs" of the end times.
I believe the christians are not destined for the wrath of the tribulation...but will suffer in some of the "birth pangs" leading up to the birth of the tribulation.

 

[Arial]

Yes the world is a pretty big place....but not to long ago everyone was wearing a useless mask and something like 80% took the initial jab.

??

It is my intent to influence people to the truth and accuracy of prophecy....perhaps knowing the time is near many christians will see many people saved and escape the time of tribulation.

Before you have established its accuracy? You say it is without looking at all the options. Without even considering there are other options. Pretty much isolating Revelation not only from what it is according to genre, but from many, many passage in Scripture that your interpretation contradict. You reduce it to a handful of scriptures and make all else fit. Then look to the world---and use the world---for verification.

I challenge you to find any reference by Jesus or the apostles to any but this age and the age to come. So if in Revelation we find the same two ages, this age and the age to come (being consistent with Jesus and the apostles), where does a seven year tribulation fit into that? The seven years is given an arbitrary interpretation, taken from "times, time and a half time" (Revelation never mentions a seven year tribulation). So just suppose the tribulation refers to this age in total---the time between his first and second coming. If that is the case, then how will Christians be prepared to endure suffering and tribulation which is part and parcel of this life. And I do believe it will get worse, just before he returns according to the parallel movement of the visions. What comfort will they have if the expect to escape it? How prepared will they be?

As to the statement that knowing the time is near, many Christians will see many people saved to escape the time of tribulation (where does the Bible say Christians will escape tribulation? The churches John was writing to were in the midst of it. Don't forget, the entire book is a LETTER) I assume you meant they will put forth greater effort in preaching the gospel.

Which falls apart as a reason for Revelation because Jesus isn't coming back until the last one that the Father is giving to him comes into the fold.

Am I reading current news into biblical prophecy? Perhaps, but as you very well know it doesn't take much to connect the dots.

Connect what dots? Revelation isn't a puzzle book. It is a picture book. A description of visions John saw. There have been ten year olds that saw that and got the full message of Revelation when it was read to them, never attempting to connect dots, or thinking there were dots to connect.

Such as??????

Amillennialism. Read the book I suggested. It is much to involved and lengthy to address here. We all need to do our own homework.

How do you know the mark isn't literal? I have presented an up and coming system that currently is literal and fits the Rev 13 description to a "T".

Because Revelation is apocalyptic literature and should be read as such. That means it is using signs and symbols and representative numbers to present spiritual truths and events. A system of an up and coming event in our world has nothing to do with the way in which we are to interpret visions in Revelation. The same thing could have been said of banks, and checks, and credit cards, and barter, and probably was. Revelation is not a blueprint for Christians to look at the world so they will know when to pack their departure kit so as to not have to look back.

Imagine someone reading Revelation the way you do when it was written to and received by those seven churches. "Oh relax. It will be a long, long time, if ever, before any of that can happen. There would have to be technical advances and more knowledge before the world comes up with that stuff!" Same story in every century since. In which case what was the purpose in John writing the letter? Was it really written to those in the age of technology, and not any before that, and certainly not to those who received it?

It means just what it says.

Yes, but that does not mean it says what you say it says. Think about it. What is John relating to his readers? Visions of events. Not literal events. The visions represent something that is literal but its source is and therefore its literality is spiritual. It is a view from heaven. And if it is a vision that is given in symbols, it does not jump back and forth. This word is literal, but these words are not, and you, the reader, gets to puzzle out which is which. Have fun with the giant puzzle. Clue---keep your eye on current events in the world.

What method will be employed that will allow that to happen? How will this system know if you are of the elect or not?
The bible speaks of certain illness people will receive from the mark....Rev 16:2

What method? The world system is the kingdoms of this world. It is rules on the earth by those who are children of the devil. Just as God often used men to accomplish his purposes, so does the devil. It is made up of, on earth, of those who reject Christ.

I will have to finish later.

 

[Arial]

I am not currently interested in the reasons why the assertion is made. I am currently interested solely in the assertion the rapture/resurrection of the Church is near. A lot of time, effort, and cyberspace can be saved if appeals to the "reasons" are not posted again and again ad nauseam.

It has become apparent that by "near" he means closer than it was yesterday ( or last week, last year, last century.) Which is always true.

I will not go farther into the meaning of "near" in the Scripture as:

1. You did not ask what "near" means in Scripture.
2. You did not ask me what "near" means to me as I never said anything about "near."
3. I am not inclined to do so anyway.



Suffice it to say you have received from @CrowCross the best he is able to do, relating "near" as he does to current events.

 

[Ghada]

For example Israel becoming a nation again is one indicator.

People keep talking about this, but no prophecy speaks of Israel becoming a nation 'again', before either of the Lord's comings.

They will be His nation again after He comes and rules the earth.

The Ezekiel nation alignment is a second. Russia aligning with Iran, Turkey and the other nations mentioned in that text. Sometimes it's hard to convert from the old nation names to the current nation names.

That's because they're meaningless.

3.....Technology has been developed that would allow for the mark of the Beast to be employed. It's not quite there but almost there.

What technolgoy. Tattooes have been around a long time.

All techno based fulfillments of prophecy are just tech theory.

4....The Gospel pretty much has been preached to the entire world.

Now, you have a prophecy Jesus actually makes.

5....The NWO, UN as well as the WEF are working on a one world Government.

The world dominion of the beast is ministerally decietful, with wide conversion of local gvt rulers and citizenry.

6....Plans for the new Temple in Israel are well under way.

There is no temple prophesied in Jersualem, other than the one the Lord builds upon the heaps of the city, they make war with the Lamb in the air.

7....A "peace treaty" known as the Abrahamic accord has been drafted.

Sounds great. When there's a ministerial pax-Beast around the world, that begins to persecute the walking saints, then there's something for the whole world to marvel over and worship.

8....The "like the days of Noah" is pretty much here.

Another prophecy of Jesus. However, the unawares suddenness of His return is the context.

10...Peole are traveling to and fro..and knowledge is increasing at a startling rate.

This is true. No better time to dispute and master the truth of Scriptures, with Bible word search at our fingertips.

13...Many false Churches.

True again.

14....Wars and rumors of Wars. Though this seem to have always been happening.

Not with such ferocious bated breath in the modern daily drama news cycle. (Don't watch any of it. Waste of time and insult to intelligence)

15....Earthquakes in diverse places? I don't know if I would count the many "small" earthquakes but would expect to hear of major earthquakes happening every month or perhaps every week.

Could be. Earthquakes are also used to describe the societal world being turned upside down. (Woke is for self-important busybody little wanna be fascists.)

Luke 21:28...And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh. KJV

Notice, it's the Lord's return, and the redemption of the body that we ought always looking for.

Mat 24:45Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/mat/24/48/s_953048

Mat 24:48But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming, And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken, The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mat 25:13Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

 

[CrowCross]

People keep talking about this, but no prophecy speaks of Israel becoming a nation 'again', before either of the Lord's comings.

They will be His nation again after He comes and rules the earth.

Isreal became a nation...in a day...back in 1948. It happened.

What technolgoy. Tattooes have been around a long time.

All techno based fulfillments of prophecy are just tech theory.

You need to look around. The mark will be more than ink.

As I have presented in the thread....the technology is here in some instances....not quite here, but, almost.

Another prophecy of Jesus. However, the unawares suddenness of His return is the context.

There's more context to it than that.

 

[Mr GLee]

Isreal became a nation...in a day...back in 1948. It happened.

The year I was born yes. LOl

No signs were given .We have prohecy till the end of time.

A pagan generation seeks after a sign before they will exercise faith. .( beleive) . They made Jesus into a circus seal. . Do some magic create a miracle then when we sees it with our own eyes we will believe for micro second.

The Pagan foundation ."Out of sight out of mind" . No spiritual vision from the living word of God . God calls them fools

Mark of the beast not sign .an Eternity of difference . Mark used 8 times in Revelation. . sign 2 times.

Satan would make it all one in the same "his MO" .. .taking away the spiritual.. gospel understanding . As the god of this world the focus on the dying flesh temporal things seen . Again no spiritual value

The mark of Christ's living word . . . what he says comes to pass. "let there be" and "there it is", (law of faith)

1948 That's true but which Israel ?

Not all that name that name Israel are born again Israel. Some remained unconverted under Jacob. Just like the new name he propmised in Isaiah 62 to rename his Bride, Christian .. . bride of all the nations. Not all who name the name Christian are Christians (inward Jews ).

Satan the racist would make a fleshly outward Jew Israel all one in the same as a spiritual Israel in order to destroy the spiritual unseen great values of the gospel

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

We pray for both Israel's .

 

[Ghada]

Isreal became a nation...in a day...back in 1948. It happened.

True. I'm talking about the risen Lord's national Israel, that He will establish in the land promised to Abraham.

Rom 9:3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

1Co 10:18Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

Israel after the flesh at this time, ceased to be God's Israel when they have Jesus Christ cruficified.

Not everyone knows the Scriptural difference, because people gloss over what God says and prophecies about such things in the NT.

You need to look around.

I don't. It will be proudly and publicly displayed in right hands or foreheads, just as the Bible says. No need to go looking in secret corners, at cashier's stands, or for microchips.

The mark will be more than ink.

Who told you that? Certainly not Scripture.

In any case, 666 is not even the mark of the beast, nor His name. 666 is one of the three options to have on the forehead or the right hand.

666 is the number of his name.

Rev 13:17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

While I enjoy intellectual games as much as the next person, however I find it much more intelligent to understand the words of the Lord. Which frist requires simple, yet disciplined reading.

A good rule for rightly dividing the word of truth, is to first rightly divide between what is written, and what is not written. That way, we don't fall into the snare of thinking we know something that's not written, and then even trying to prophecy it as though it were.

2Pe 1:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

 

[CrowCross]

True. I'm talking about the risen Lord's national Israel, that He will establish in the land promised to Abraham.

I don't disagree. Jesus will return and step foot on the Mt. of Olives...and it will split.

Meanwhile Israel did become a nation in 1948. (as foretold)

Rom 9:3For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh:

1Co 10:18Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

Israel after the flesh at this time, ceased to be God's Israel when they have Jesus Christ cruficified.

Not everyone knows the Scriptural difference, because people gloss over what God says and prophecies about such things in the NT.




I don't. It will be proudly and publicly displayed in right hands or foreheads, just as the Bible says. No need to go looking in secret corners, at cashier's stands, or for microchips.

The mark prevents or allows buying and selling....world wide....for this to happen a proudly displayed inkblot on ones forehead can't prevent this from happening.
The mark has to do with financial transactions...there has to be a means to shut one down kinda like how Canada shut off the truckers finances.

Who told you that? Certainly not Scripture.

Who told you it would be a tattoo? Not the bible.

In any case, 666 is not even the mark of the beast, nor His name. 666 is one of the three options to have on the forehead or the right hand.

666 is the number of his name.

OK???? So what?

Rev 13:17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

While I enjoy intellectual games as much as the next person, however I find it much more intelligent to understand the words of the Lord. Which frist requires simple, yet disciplined reading.

Then I suggest you dig a little deeper.
What happens when the banks fail? When CBDC is rolled out?

A good rule for rightly dividing the word of truth, is to first rightly divide between what is written, and what is not written. That way, we don't fall into the snare of thinking we know something that's not written, and then even trying to prophecy it as though it were.

2Pe 1:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Interesting you would quote 2 Peter...and apply your private interpretation.

 

[Ghada]

The mark prevents or allows buying and selling....world wide....for this to happen a proudly displayed inkblot on ones forehead can't prevent this from happening

Really? Never been to a communist country, have you.

happening.
The mark has to do with financial transactions..

It has to do with public markets, businesses, industries, properties, etc...Anything that is bought and sold publicly.

Probably will be an underground market. I mean, that last great beast ain't really God.

.there has to be a means to shut one down kinda like how Canada shut off the truckers finances.

And liberals shut down businesses through ideological law and courts. It's a conscience tyrrany in the form of a beast. That last beast will cut to the chase, command his mark, name, or number of his name on the right hand or forehead, and have done with litigation.

Who told you it would be a tattoo? Not the bible.

Who said it isn't. Men and women have had tats since days of old. Could be branding, which was the standard manner to mark a slave. Could be a laser injected ink or die.

These are speculations, that may or not be true. But it certainly won't be some debit card pasted to the forehead, or some chip that can't be seen.

All that fantasizing stuff is just intellectual fodder for seeking deep dark hidden secrets in prophecy of Scripture, where there isn't any: Boo!

I don't know why people can't just take God at His own words, and believe them or not. I mean, not only is He the Creating Person from the beginning, but He was also a man in the flesh, and now sitting on the throne. He knows how to talk direct and straight to people.

Some people read God's words like He's just some big white fluffy cloud in sky, who drops down little smoke signals to be personally interpreted by their own ingenious imaginations.

2Pe 1:20Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. Job 5:13He taketh the wise in their own craftiness:

OK???? So what?

Just an observation. Everyone is looking for 666, when that's only one of three options.

Then I suggest you dig a little deeper.

Into Scripture? That's the problem with a lot of readers, they try to dig too deep, because they don't like the words on paper.

What happens when the banks fail?

I don't know. If my bank fails, and the cash I have in it is lost. I'll probably eat out less often.

When CBDC is rolled out?

Is this prophecy? Got a near date for it too?

Hey, I'm mostly toying with you. Remember, I don't take most this speculation stuff seriously. But I am making a point about the difference between teaching clear prophecy of Scripture as written, and just making intellectual predictions, that based solely on suppositions to accommodate moder society. And even if they happen, which they probably won't, then it doesn't even mean prophecy of Scripture is being fulfilled.

How many times have been truly believed the end of the age is come, and the Lord is still not come to end it. Probably many Christians were looking in the sky daily, when Rome was sacked.

You got to know, that chicken little needs to take steroid pills, just to keep up with all the end times latest scares.

P.s. Since they had Jesus crucified, national Israel after the flesh has had nothing more to do with the risen God of Israel, than any other uncircumcised nation on earth.

The only prophetic establishment of a national Israel after the flesh, that the Lord will fulfill in Person, will be after His return, war, and kingdom come on earth, as it is in heaven.

Until the Lord Himself steps on the ground, it isn't holy land.

Interesting you would quote 2 Peter...and apply your private interpretation.

What private interpretation? Tatts? That's not an interpretation but a matter of fact possibility.

 

[Mr GLee]

In any case, 666 is not even the mark of the beast, nor His name. 666 is one of the three options to have on the forehead or the right hand.

666 is the number of his name.

The mark of Cain 666 is the number God uses to define natural unredeemed mankind in respect to the mark of his word . . .What he says comes to pass not a sign . No signs were given

Genesis 4:15 And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark (of his word) upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

A evil generation 666 looks to a sign avoiding prophecy sola scriptura.

Marks and signs must be separated .Satan would make it all one and the same. The king of lying sign to wonder after his only voice . Making it all one in the same mark loses its spiritual significance a wile of the devil it remove the unseen spiritual gospel understanding

Like below . If you would only bow down to my lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder after never coming to the end faith .Limbo

Mathew 4:8 -9Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.