Will the Jews build a Third Temple?

[Josheb]

You will find out sooner or after the Millennium starts.

Modern futurists have been telling people that for nearly 200 years. It is one of the many false predictions they make that never come true. I used to use it myself when I was dispensationally premillennial. "You'll see" is not an argument for or against anything.

Not going to respond to any more of your posts.

God. That's probably best since what I have received so far has been either logically lame, an abuse of scripture, or both.


Will the Jews build another temple of stone? Maybe, but there is nothing in the entire Bible explicitly stating another temple of stone will be built. If one is built then it's a work of flesh, not something God will do to fulfill prophecy. Its only eschatological significance will be to show those Jews are still tied to the old covenant and thereby destined to destruction when eternal life is available to them right now in the Messiah they were promised, Jesus bar Joseph of Nazareth. No temples of stone needed or desired.


Acts 7:44-48
Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen. "And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David. David found favor in God's sight and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob. But it was Solomon who built a house for Him. However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands...


Relying on the OT without seeking out what the NT says about it (which is what happened throughout this thread) is always a mistake. No temple of stone was ever eschatologically relevant. Christ, and us, the believers in Christ, are the only temple God ever intended; the house not built by (sinful, covenant-breaking, Christ-denying) human hands.

 

[Hobie]

The reason no third Temple will be built and the resumption of the sacrificial system, is that it would truly be denying Jesus Christ. Here is why...
'You can’t accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah and, at the same time, promote the building of a third temple in Jerusalem. Reason: They are irreconcilable concepts. The entire ancient sanctuary and its services were a type and prophecy of the life and ministry of Jesus Christ as the only Savior from sin. All that pertained to it were representations of the coming Messiah, who came through and lived among the Jewish people.

Some examples:

• The white linen curtain that surrounded the courtyard represented the imputed righteousness that Christ bestows upon us when one makes the decision to reject the world and accept Him as our Lord and Savior from sin (Romans 3:21–26).
• The animals that the penitent sinners brought and also the morning and evening sacrifices pointed to Him who gave His life for the sins of the world (John 1:29).
• The priest who performed the temple rituals prefigured His intercessory ministry as our Heavenly High Priest (Hebrews 4:14–16).
• The altar of sacrifice in the courtyard foretold of Calvary’s cross, where He gave up His life for the sins of the world (Luke 23:33).
• He identified Himself as the shewbread in the first apartment of the tabernacle (John 6:48–51).
• The incense used to anoint the furniture in the Holy Place permeated the atmosphere and ascended above the veil into the Most Holy Place, prefiguring His pure righteousness with which our prayers and works must be mixed in order for them to be accepted by His Father (Revelation 8:3).
• The Seven Branch Candlestick prophesied of the Light of truth He would bring to a world in darkness (John 8:12).
• The Mercy Seat depicts Him as the One who provides protection from the penalty of death resulting from transgression of His father’s law (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 4:14–16).
• The Law written on tables of stone and placed inside the ark speaks to the very essence of who He is, the Only Perfect Law Keeper (1 Peter 2:21–23).

For anyone to suggest that the building of a Third Temple and the reinstitution of animal sacrifices is a blatant denial of Jesus Christ being the promised Messiah, this is understandable from the perspective of the Jewish Zionists, for they have ever rejected Yeshua as the Messiah. But for the Christian Zionist, this is an abomination and a case of severe cognitive dissonance.'...

 

[Josheb]

The reason no third Temple will be built and the resumption of the sacrificial system, is that it would truly be denying Jesus Christ. Here is why...
'You can’t accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah and, at the same time, promote the building of a third temple in Jerusalem. Reason: They are irreconcilable concepts.....

Can we amend that to say it is unlikely a third temple will ever be built because it would be an offense to God (and all that you specified), BUT if another temple is built it will have no eschatological significance other than as an example of humanity's sin?

 

[Josheb]

Some examples:

• The white linen curtain that surrounded the courtyard represented the imputed righteousness that Christ bestows upon us when one makes the decision to reject the world and accept Him as our Lord and Savior from sin (Romans 3:21–26).
• The animals that the penitent sinners brought and also the morning and evening sacrifices pointed to Him who gave His life for the sins of the world (John 1:29).
• The priest who performed the temple rituals prefigured His intercessory ministry as our Heavenly High Priest (Hebrews 4:14–16).
• The altar of sacrifice in the courtyard foretold of Calvary’s cross, where He gave up His life for the sins of the world (Luke 23:33).
• He identified Himself as the shewbread in the first apartment of the tabernacle (John 6:48–51).
• The incense used to anoint the furniture in the Holy Place permeated the atmosphere and ascended above the veil into the Most Holy Place, prefiguring His pure righteousness with which our prayers and works must be mixed in order for them to be accepted by His Father (Revelation 8:3).
• The Seven Branch Candlestick prophesied of the Light of truth He would bring to a world in darkness (John 8:12).
• The Mercy Seat depicts Him as the One who provides protection from the penalty of death resulting from transgression of His father’s law (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 4:14–16).
• The Law written on tables of stone and placed inside the ark speaks to the very essence of who He is, the Only Perfect Law Keeper (1 Peter 2:21–23).

For anyone to suggest that the building of a Third Temple....

Two very important bullet points are missing from that list:

• God does not dwell in houses made by human hands.
• God built the temple not made by human hands.

Just saying

 

[VCO]

Modern futurists have been telling people that for nearly 200 years. It is one of the many false predictions they make that never come true. I used to use it myself when I was dispensationally premillennial. "You'll see" is not an argument for or against anything.

God. That's probably best since what I have received so far has been either logically lame, an abuse of scripture, or both.


Will the Jews build another temple of stone? Maybe, but there is nothing in the entire Bible explicitly stating another temple of stone will be built. If one is built then it's a work of flesh, not something God will do to fulfill prophecy. Its only eschatological significance will be to show those Jews are still tied to the old covenant and thereby destined to destruction when eternal life is available to them right now in the Messiah they were promised, Jesus bar Joseph of Nazareth. No temples of stone needed or desired.


Acts 7:44-48
Our fathers had the tabernacle of testimony in the wilderness, just as He who spoke to Moses directed him to make it according to the pattern which he had seen. "And having received it in their turn, our fathers brought it in with Joshua upon dispossessing the nations whom God drove out before our fathers, until the time of David. David found favor in God's sight and asked that he might find a dwelling place for the God of Jacob. But it was Solomon who built a house for Him. However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands...


Relying on the OT without seeking out what the NT says about it (which is what happened throughout this thread) is always a mistake. No temple of stone was ever eschatologically relevant. Christ, and us, the believers in Christ, are the only temple God ever intended; the house not built by (sinful, covenant-breaking, Christ-denying) human hands.

2Pet 3:8 (ESV)​

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The days in heaven are not like like the days here on earth.
IT IS early morning, DAY 3 in heaven, while here on earth it is 2024.
Or can't you figure that out?

 

[Josheb]

2Pet 3:8 (ESV)​

But do not overlook this one fact, beloved, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

The days in heaven are not like like the days here on earth.
IT IS early morning, DAY 3 in heaven, while here on earth it is 2024.

Right.

Therefore the 1000-year bondage of Satan will really last only one day. Jesus earthly reign will, likewise, last only one day. 2 Peter 3:8 is a verse often abused by modern futurists. They can use it to make anything else in scripture bend to their eschatology. Peter's point was about God, not time.

Or can't you figure that out?

I can figure out an insinuated ad hominem when I read it. When modern futurists cannot defend against valid scriptural criticism they attack the poster. Well done. You've showed yourself a true modern futurist. Haven't proven a third temple will be built.

 

[Hobie]

Can we amend that to say it is unlikely a third temple will ever be built because it would be an offense to God (and all that you specified), BUT if another temple is built it will have no eschatological significance other than as an example of humanity's sin?

Who is going to go before God in it when Christ is now coming, no need for it...

 

[Mr GLee]

Two very important bullet points are missing from that list:

• God does not dwell in houses made by human hands.
• God built the temple not made by human hands.

Just saying

Amen

Believers from the beginning (Abel the apostle) are reckoned as the living moving temple of God not made with human hands. Hands are used to represents Gods will sent out , Christ's gospel.

Believers as a kingdom of priest peach, Emanuel does all the teaching, comforting guiding and bringing to our memory the previous things his Holy Spirit has taught

When he moved out his people out of Egypt towards the propmised land. A living moving temple tabernacle was made and used preach the gospel to all the surrounding pagan nations for forty years When the manna which is used to represent our daily bread stopped. . . . . having entered the promise land it put an end to the use of ceremonial law .A sign or shadow to the unbelieving world. . . preaching the gospel

The faithless Jews that trusted in their own dying flesh, in there worldly jealousy. They demanded a fleshly King, dying mankind . They refused to worship God as the invisible head from reigning over dying mankind. . The first century reformation came restoring time period (sola scriptural) Judges. No earthly, fleshly, dying representative .

 

[Josheb]

Who is going to go before God in it when Christ is now coming, no need for it...

There will be no "it" made of stone.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

I reiterate: God does not dwell in houses built by human hands and He Himself built the temple He wanted built, but it is not made of hewn brick. Another temple of stone may be built but if it is built then it will not be built in obedience to God and it will not have any eschatological significance other than as an example of humanity's sin.

 

[VCO]

I did an ONGOING Study, of the TEMPLE and were it was. For years before, deciding where it was. I studied the Bible, Josephus, and a number of articles on TEMPLE location, and Roman Legions. MOST said it was on the TEMPLE MOUNT, but it did not square with the the are articles I was reading. And then I found definitive proof were it was.

Josephus: The Jewish War, Book V, Chapter 4.
[While on the Walkway made notes.] . . . having its bending above the fountain Siloam; where it also bends again towards the east at Solomon’s pool [Pool of Siloam], and reaches as far as a certain place which they called Ophlas [what the Jews called the OPHEL back then], where it was joined to the eastern cloister of the temple.

“Now as we go up to this Tower of Antonia, we gain the city since we shall then
be upon the top of the hill.” - Josephus.

 

[Josheb]

I did an ONGOING Study.............

Was the future existence of another temple assumed prior to that study?

 

[Mr GLee]

Two very important bullet points are missing from that list:

• God does not dwell in houses made by human hands.
• God built the temple not made by human hands.

Just saying

Amen . My question .

Why would someone even desire to enclose a Eternal Spirit in the temporal dead things seen ?. What's behind the idea? Is he a genie in a bottle?

It would seem another of the wiles of the evil one, the Legion. Satan turning a parable as a vison used to represent sola scriptura as in all things writen in the law (Moses) and the prophets (Elias" as witness to the working of the law.

Moses and Elias. . . Law and prophets the two witnesses used that way throughout the newly restored testament

Matthew 17:3-5King James Version And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, (butted in) behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.. . . . . . ( He brings my word ")

Abomination of desolation trapping an eternal Spirit holding him against his will .

Mathew 23: 38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

The mark of Cain (666) what he says (it is desolate) did become desolate.

The Faithful power "let it be desolate" and it was "very desolate" .

A remnant called the wailing wall remains and is used as a idol image Then a person always has the holy soil
selling for a pack of ten holy soil . Eleven dollar's plus tax. . free Amazon delivery if purchased with holy water LOL

 

[Josheb]

Amen . My question .

Why would someone even desire to enclose a Eternal Spirit in the temporal dead things seen ?. What's behind the idea? Is he a genie in a bottle?

The short answer is found in 1 Corinthians 2:14. The things of the Spirit are foolishness to the natural man, and he does not understand them.

The longer answer has to do with the ways Judaism developed incorrectly theologically. For example, God never asked for a temple. He commanded the tabernacle, but the idea to build a temple was David's. He wanted a place to house the ark and he wanted a place that would honor God better than all the pagan temples. God told Daivd he could not build the temple because he was a man with blood on his hands (a sinner - like Cain ). God told David one of his descendants would built God's house. God also told David three men would build the temple. The three men would be 1) a descendant of Davids, the son of God (he will be a son to me), and a man of peace. David immediately went out and tried to make that happen in his flesh. He named his son Solomon (which means "peace") even though God told David to name the boy Jedidiah (so David's first act in building the temple was to disobey God) and David then began stockpiling materials for the future temple. Notice that when Solomon goes to see David on David's death bed, David changes what God told him. What God said and what David said God said were two different things (David lied to his son).

Solomon tried to do good. The Bible notes no tools were used to shape the stones, but the Bible also tells us stones used in an altar to God are not to be shaped at all. That means every single stone in the temple was an act of disobedience and an abomination to God. It also means every stone represents a sinful act of flesh, a fleshly attempt at achieving divine objectives. The Bible is filled with accounts of men (and women) trying to accomplish God's tasks in their own might.

In the end, centuries later, we discover David, apparently had some glimpse into the truth because when Peter is preaching under the influence of the Hoy Spirit he discloses the promise God made about David's descendant having and everlasting throne was not about a chair on earth. It was about the resurrection!

And, of course, in Judaism during David's and Solomon's days it was believed Sheol was the end and there was no resurrection. As Judaism developed it's theologies concerning the kingdom, the priesthood, the monarchy, and everything else turned increasingly divergent from what God wanted. He never wanted a temple of stones shaped by (sinful) men, and He does not live in house made by human hands.

Hebrews 11:8-10
By faith Abraham, when he was called, obeyed by going out to a place which he was to receive for an inheritance; and he went out, not knowing where he was going. By faith he lived as an alien in the land of promise, as in a foreign land, dwelling in tents with Isaac and Jacob, fellow heirs of the same promise; for he was looking for the city which has foundations, whose architect and builder is God.

There is no temple of stone in the city whose architect and builder is God.

The problem started long before David was born. Sinful humanity has always thought it can help. God neither needs nor wants anything from sinful man; even his righteous acts are filthy rags. The obedience God wants is that He willed, not the obedience willed by the flesh. Natural man does not understand that.

 

[Hobie]

There will be no "it" made of stone.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.

I reiterate: God does not dwell in houses built by human hands and He Himself built the temple He wanted built, but it is not made of hewn brick. Another temple of stone may be built but if it is built then it will not be built in obedience to God and it will not have any eschatological significance other than as an example of humanity's sin.

God already has a Temple which is the original one in heaven on which Moses was given the plans which the earthly one was built as the Bible tells us...

 

[Josheb]

God already has a Temple which is the original one in heaven on which Moses was given the plans which the earthly one was built as the Bible tells us...

Moses was given the plans for a temple in heaven? Was that temple a temple other than Jesus?

Walk me through those scriptures.

 

[VCO]

God already has a Temple which is the original one in heaven on which Moses was given the plans which the earthly one was built as the Bible tells us...

God does have plans that include the Third Temple, and the Fourth Temple in there illustrious beauty, EPECIALTY the Fourth Temple.

Please read Ezekiel chapters 40 to 48. And then read https://byfaith.org/2023/07/17/ezekiels-temple-the-fourth-temple-in-jerusalem-israel/

Isaiah 46:10-11​

New International Version​

10 I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say, ‘My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.’
11 From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that I will bring about;
what I have planned, that I will do.

 

[VCO]

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[VCO]

Look at how precise HIS plans are:

It never touched that I can tell, the TEMPLE.

These pictures had to be around 1875, and the Trees were replaneted around 1865. The earthquake was 1863. Look Closer, all the trees are replanted at the same time, except the One Tree in the picture above.