Why did Jesus?

[Carbon]

Agreed, with two natures.

As one person.

 

[fastfredy0]

I disagree. Christ is 100% divine.

OK, address my proofs that Christ is 100% divine nature. Explain how the divine could die, get weary, not be all knowing, change, grow in wisdom ...(I can give proof text if needed, though it's obvious Christ die while the divine nature cannot do so ... we humans can do lots of things the divine cannot do)

 

[Carbon]

Maybe... I gave my guesses. Aging is good in some ways....that's how Christ's human nature grew in wisdom and knowledge.

Well that was my next question.

How did Jesus grow in wisdom and knowledge? He is God after all.

 

[Carbon]

Right, Adam wouldn't have died; but he would have grown. God designed Man to grow...

I have a saying; "If you ain't growing, something's wrong"...

If Adam never Fell, and Shem never grew out of Infancy in a Perfect world; something would have been wrong...

So what's your idea Brother?

All this was after the fall.

 

[fastfredy0]

Right, Adam wouldn't have died; but he would have grown. God designed Man to grow...

Well, you are assuming God's plan for a sinless and a sinful Adam is the same in this regard. Maybe if Adam didn't sin he never would have had kids for all we know or grown old. Granted, what God does in a non-existent Plan B is a HUGE LEAP.

 

[Carbon]

OK, address my proofs that Christ is 100% divine nature. Explain how the divine could die, get weary, not be all knowing, change, grow in wisdom ...(I can give proof text if needed, though it's obvious Christ die while the divine nature cannot do so ... we humans can do lots of things the divine cannot do)

I think the answer is hidden, hidden in the sense we humans have a mind set that we can figure things out if we set off to do so. And in doing so, we pass right by the simple answer.

I believe it in because “He willed it.”

 

[Carbon]

Well, you are assuming God's plan for a sinless and a sinful Adam is the same in this regard. Maybe if Adam didn't sin he never would have had kids for all we know or grown old. Granted, what God does in a non-existent Plan B is a HUGE LEAP.

Well there surely isn’t nor was a plan B. We agree I’m sure.

 

[fastfredy0]

If Jesus naturally aged then wouldn't that contradict immutability?

To answer these questions they came up with the hypostatic union which has support as God calls Christ both the SON OF GOD and son of man.
It is obvious that in some respect Christ is mutable; after all He died.
Aside: Muslims like to point out the verse where Christ didn't know the timing of His 2nd coming and therefore could not be God because He was no all knowing....the hypostatic union addresses questions like this.

 

[Deleted member 5]

We all know that we die because of sin, we get sick because of sin, and we age because of sin.

Question?

Jesus was holy, pure and sinless.
So, why did he age?

Hebrews 2:17.

 

[ReverendRV]

Oh oh, why? For being dumb? *giggle*

It's not a big deal; until you learn why it's a big deal...

On Clubhouse, they discussed this. Sure, the Chalcedonian Creed says Christ's two Natures are Unmixed; but it also says the two Natures are Inseparable. The Church has a Doctrine called the Communicatio Idiomatum; this means the Properties of God are Communicated to Jesus. Therefore Christ's flesh is incorruptible, since God is Incorruptible. God's Omniscience, Omnipotence and Omnipresence are Communicated to Jesus the Son of Mary too. God shares his Omni Attributes with Jesus the Man; God shares his Incommunicable Attributes with Jesus the Carpenter...

It's like this; once you know, it's like you have to believe it...

 

[Carbon]

To answer these questions they came up with the hypostatic union which has support as God calls Christ both the SON OF GOD and son of man.
It is obvious that in some respect Christ is mutable; after all He died.

No, not at all. The covenant of redemption, the Trinity was in agreement. All went as planed. God is immutable.

Aside: Muslims like to point out the verse where Christ didn't know the timing of His 2nd coming and therefore could not be God because He was no all knowing....the hypostatic union addresses questions like this.

Jesus willed not to know.

 

[fastfredy0]

How did Jesus grow in wisdom and knowledge? He is God after all.

Again, Christ has two natures: divine and human. Christ has the characteristics of the divine and human. THe human nature can grow in wisdom, the divine cannot grow in wisdom. The divine nature cannot learn because He already knows every thing.

Aside: Glad I took typing in high school to try to keep up.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Everyone should take notice how removed we are becoming from using Scripture in our responses. Rarely are Scriptures used, and we are the Sola Scripturists, yes sirree!

It is, to me at least, a bit troubling.

 

[Carbon]

Hebrews 2:17.

Think about that answer.

It slimes with what I gave as an answer

 

[Deleted member 5]

Think about that answer.

It slimes with what I gave as an answer

Slimes?

 

[Carbon]

Again, Christ has two natures: divine and human. Christ has the characteristics of the divine and human. THe human nature can grow in wisdom, the divine cannot grow in wisdom. The divine nature cannot learn because He already knows every thing.

Me thinks you’re carrying that to far. Yes, it is thought provoking

Aside: Glad I took typing in high school to try to keep up.

 

[fastfredy0]

I think the answer is hidden, hidden in the sense we humans have a mind set that we can figure things out

Well, the MYSTERY response is there for any contradiction which your ideas are producing.
Again, the divine cannot die and Christ died. This is a contradiction, but a contradiction with an explanation: hypostatic union

 

[fastfredy0]

Me thinks you’re carrying that to far. Yes, it is thought provoking

Perhaps .... not as if I came up with it myself. Here you go ... read this: https://www.gotquestions.org/hypostatic-union.html

Should be addressed in most Systematic Theology books

I could send you a blurb from my notes if you want.

 

[fastfredy0]

Oh oh, why? For being dumb? *giggle*

Gee, not sure I like it when @ReverendRV gives me a LIKE when I suggest I'm dumb. If I was smarter I wouldn't have said it.

 

[Deleted member 5]

Again, Christ has two natures: divine and human. Christ has the characteristics of the divine and human. THe human nature can grow in wisdom, the divine cannot grow in wisdom. The divine nature cannot learn because He already knows every thing.

I agree with this. Got any Scripture to go with that?

Aside: Glad I took typing in high school to try to keep up.

Your many typos show you didn't do so well.