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Why did Jesus?

Again, Christ has two natures: divine and human. Christ has the characteristics of the divine and human. THe human nature can grow in wisdom, the divine cannot grow in wisdom. The divine nature cannot learn because He already knows every thing
This is true; and it's why there is a Debate whether Christ is Peccable or Impeccable. Christ's Humanity was Peccable but his Deity was Impeccable; so which do you hold to? It sounds as if you believe he was Peccable, because he Died. I tend to agree. Peccability chiefly means that Jesus could have Fallen like Adam Fell. But because of the Communicatio Idiomatum, at the end of the day; I say Jesus was Impeccable, IE Unable to Fall. The reason is that the Impeccability of his Deity was Communicated to his Humanity...
 
Since Jesus had existed before His incarnation
Getting a little off topic. I would argue this statement is an invalid premise. Jesus has two natures and the human nature did not exist till Mary conceives via the Holy Spirit. If Jesus had a truly human nature it wouldn't have gone from and adult to a fetus to an adult... this would contradict the definition of a human nature. (That being said, God is not limited)
 
This is true; and it's why there is a Debate whether Christ is Peccable or Impeccable. Christ's Humanity was Peccable but his Deity was Impeccable; so which do you hold to? It sounds as if you believe he was Peccable, because he Died.
I would say Christ human nature was impeccable ... off the top of my head I would conjecture that God is not going to create a man with a human nature that is "going to blow God's plan/decree". Also, I assume that the divine nature in Christ has more influence than the human nature.

Christ was not peccable because He died. The opposite, Christ wanted the cup passed from Him so badly that He cried tears of blood (I could be wrong on tears of blood, too lazy to verify) and yet He obeyed the Father which would be strong evidence of impeccability.
Aside: of course the definition of anything create is mutability, but won't go there as not good for my conjecture ;)


Peccability chiefly means that Jesus could have Fallen like Adam Fell. But because of the Communicatio Idiomatum, at the end of the day; I say Jesus was Impeccable, IE Unable to Fall. The reason is that the Impeccability of his Deity was Communicated to his Humanity...
Ah, sounds good to me .... which just means we agree and could be mutually incorrect ... giggle
 
Bedtime ... flyin' home to Texas tomorrow .... dumb rental car tire has a 12 hear slow leak :rolleyes:
 
I would say Christ human nature was impeccable ... off the top of my head I would conjecture that God is not going to create a man with a human nature that is "going to blow God's plan/decree". Also, I assume that the divine nature in Christ has more influence than the human nature.

Christ was not peccable because He died. The opposite, Christ wanted the cup passed from Him so badly that He cried tears of blood (I could be wrong on tears of blood, too lazy to verify) and yet He obeyed the Father which would be strong evidence of impeccability.
Aside: of course the definition of anything create is mutability, but won't go there as not good for my conjecture ;)



Ah, sounds good to me .... which just means we agree and could be mutually incorrect ... giggle
Cool...

I would just point out, we shouldn't assume Christ's Divine Nature would have more influence in his Life. Jesus suppressed the expression of his Deity, in order to live his Life on the level of an Unfallen Adam...

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. - Philippians 2:6-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians2:6-8&version=ESV

Jesus functioned in Life by steering it with his Humanity...
 
Perhaps .... not as if I came up with it myself. Here you go ... read this: https://www.gotquestions.org/hypostatic-union.html

Should be addressed in most Systematic Theology books

I could send you a blurb from my notes if you want.
No offense but I'm not a got questions guy. It also seems they have a lot of people thinking they are reformed, but they are not. Though this may not have much to do with that, I rather read from other sources.
 
I would just point out, we shouldn't assume Christ's Divine Nature would have more influence in his Life.
Are you suggesting the human nature had Free Will, the ability to operate independent of the divine.

Jesus suppressed the expression of his Deity, in order to live his Life on the level of an Unfallen Adam...
True enough, but this does not address who was in charge, the divine will or the human will in regards to this aspect.

Jesus functioned in Life by steering it with his Humanity...
I disagree. This conflicts with Eph. 1:11 and many others. This would put God's creation (the human nature of Christ) as the First Cause and in control of God to some degree.
 
Are you suggesting the human nature had Free Will, the ability to operate independent of the divine.


True enough, but this does not address who was in charge, the divine will or the human will in regards to this aspect.


I disagree. This conflicts with Eph. 1:11 and many others. This would put God's creation (the human nature of Christ) as the First Cause and in control of God to some degree.
We have time brother. Be safe...
 
No offense but I'm not a got questions guy. It also seems they have a lot of people thinking they are reformed, but they are not. Though this may not have much to do with that, I rather read from other sources.
I hear you ... I'd say GOTQUESTION leans heavily towards reformed. It nice that they give other views. It is also great resource to find answers to question quickly and said answers usually give evidentiary verses. That being said, you've got a point.
 
who has become a priest, not on the basis of a legal requirement concerning bodily descent, but by the power of an indestructible life. - Hebrews 7:16 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews7:16&version=ESV

Jesus became a Priest in the Order of Melchizadek, before he died. This means Jesus had an Indestructible Life, before he died...
Like I said. Jesus aged, grew in wisdom, didn't know the hour, and died because he will it so. Nothing short of "his willing it" could have caused it.

That's what I think is the answer. He willed it.
 
Cool...

I would just point out, we shouldn't assume Christ's Divine Nature would have more influence in his Life. Jesus suppressed the expression of his Deity, in order to live his Life on the level of an Unfallen Adam...

who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. - Philippians 2:6-8 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Philippians2:6-8&version=ESV

Jesus functioned in Life by steering it with his Humanity...
Back to the OP...

Since Jesus suppressed the expression of his Deity, shouldn't Jesus have grown?
 
Like I said. Jesus aged, grew in wisdom, didn't know the hour, and died because he will it so. Nothing short of "his willing it" could have caused it.

That's what I think is the answer. He willed it.
Thanks Brother...

Jesus could have Willed it...
 
Thanks Brother...

Jesus could have Willed it...
That makes the most sense to me.

If as scripture teaches, Jesus is God, He was there at creation and in eternity past. Him coming to earth, in every way like us, born of a virgin, aged into adulthood, went to the synagogue, and learned and increased in wisdom. Wow!

For any of this, he had to will it.

From the monergism site: Whole Christ, God and man, was not made a new person of the two natures, as of parts compounding a new thing; but remained still the same person. Now where the ancient Fathers termed Christ a compound person, we must understand them not properly, but by proportion. For as the parts are united in the whole, so these two natures do concur together in one person, which is the Son of God.
 
We all know that we die because of sin, we get sick because of sin, and we age because of sin.

Question?

Jesus was holy, pure and sinless.
So, why did he age?
"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Phil 2:5-8

In one sense, you can say he aged because he became part of our 4 dimensional world - 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time.
If you are referring to the body deteriorating, we should remember that he was in his 30s when he died, so not really old and frail.

However, I think the answer to your question is that when he took on human form he also took on our frailities - which I think perhaps is a different way of saying what you said - "He willed it", (or possibly it was the Father's will which He was obedient to). He became subject to hunger (Matt 4:2, Matt 21:8), He cried (Luke 19:41) and of course He was subject to death.

Afterall, it wouldn't have achieved much if he stayed a baby, would it?

And I think He did this also so He can be our High Priest:
Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4:14-15
 
"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross." Phil 2:5-8

In one sense, you can say he aged because he became part of our 4 dimensional world - 3 dimensions of space and 1 of time.
If you are referring to the body deteriorating, we should remember that he was in his 30s when he died, so not really old and frail.

However, I think the answer to your question is that when he took on human form he also took on our frailities - which I think perhaps is a different way of saying what you said - "He willed it", (or possibly it was the Father's will which He was obedient to). He became subject to hunger (Matt 4:2, Matt 21:8), He cried (Luke 19:41) and of course He was subject to death.

Afterall, it wouldn't have achieved much if he stayed a baby, would it?

And I think He did this also so He can be our High Priest:
Since then we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus, the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin. Hebrews 4:14-15
Amen
 
We all know that we die because of sin, we get sick because of sin, and we age because of sin.

Question?

Jesus was holy, pure and sinless.
So, why did he age?
Adam's curse; and Jesus was a son of Adam. We die because of ADAM's sin. Not just our own.
 
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