Why Did God Tell Israel That He is One?

[LeviR]

@TMSO

When God said, “let there be light”, that Light is the gospel concerning His son.
The Son is that Word of prophecy.
The moon represents the law which is put under his feet, and the stars represent the lesser lights, the apostles, and all those who shall become lights to the world through them.

 

[TMSO]

If he is to be called the Word of God, then all that can be applied to the Word can be applied to him. I believe he is given that name. As if God had said “you shall call his name the Word of God”.

John 1:1 says this Word was with God, and the Word was God. Not much wiggle room.

 

[Mr GLee]

John 1:1 says this Word was with God, and the Word was God. Not much wiggle room.

Room to run around ..

God declarers words (let there be ) He is not a word

The Word that was with God, was the Word of God.

The word that was with Satan the word of Satan.

 

[TMSO]

Room to run around ..

God declarers words (let there be ) He is not a word

The Word that was with God, was the Word of God.

The word that was with Satan the word of Satan.

You left out, "and the Word WAS God".

 

[Mr GLee]

You left out, "and the Word WAS God".

I did not leave it out . It make no biblical sense that way .

Words have meaning

Should of been and the word came from God . "Let there be" The law of faith

In the beginning was God And the word was a thought "let there be" of God

No trinity .

 

[Fred]

Words have meaning

Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament: Based on Semantic Domains: it is legitimate to interpret Jn. 1.1 as ‘the Word was God’
(12.1, theos, page 137, J. P. Louw and Eugene Nida).

 

[TMSO]

I did not leave it out . It make no biblical sense that way .

Words have meaning

Should of been and the word came from God . "Let there be" The law of faith

In the beginning was God And the word was a thought "let there be" of God

No trinity .

You would tell God that He was wrong?

 

[Mr GLee]

You would tell God that He was wrong?

No I would not. God is not a Word.

Three things make up the essence of God . He is Spirit, He is Light and He is Love . His word works in us making our load lighter. . No trinity.

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings

Peter is used as one the legion of antichrists' demonstrating the power of Satan the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder, after . . .as if true prophecy. Satan's only voice oral traditons of dying mankind making sola scriptura to no effect.

Peter was forgiven of His blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus .Blasphemy against the invisible Christ the husband no forgiveness . never will be.

When rightly dividing the parables according to the most valuable prescription in 2 Corhtitains 4:18.
We look to the unseen eternal not the temporal historical .

The true mystery of faith source .

Not lying signs as if true prophecy .Satan working over time today God sending strong delusion to those who do seek signs to wonder, wonder ,wonder after. . Limbo

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. (Kings in Israel)

The father giving words to Jesus to rebuke the spirit of lies .Get behind God not seen (walk by faith) not after the temporal dying things seen

Who gave the idea that Peter is the Pope (infalible teaching master as Lord)

Follow the words of God . they work to defend us as it is faithfully written

 

[TMSO]

No I would not. God is not a Word.

Three things make up the essence of God . He is Spirit, He is Light and He is Love . His word works in us making our load lighter. . No trinity.

God is not a Jewish man as King of kings

Peter is used as one the legion of antichrists' demonstrating the power of Satan the king of lying signs to wonder, wonder, wonder, after . . .as if true prophecy. Satan's only voice oral traditons of dying mankind making sola scriptura to no effect.

Peter was forgiven of His blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus .Blasphemy against the invisible Christ the husband no forgiveness . never will be.

When rightly dividing the parables according to the most valuable prescription in 2 Corhtitains 4:18.
We look to the unseen eternal not the temporal historical .

The true mystery of faith source .

Not lying signs as if true prophecy .Satan working over time today God sending strong delusion to those who do seek signs to wonder, wonder ,wonder after. . Limbo

Mathew 16:22-23 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. (Kings in Israel)

The father giving words to Jesus to rebuke the spirit of lies .Get behind God not seen (walk by faith) not after the temporal dying things seen

Who gave the idea that Peter is the Pope (infalible teaching master as Lord)

Follow the words of God . they work to defend us as it is faithfully written

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God." Words God had John write.

 

[LeviR]

You would tell God that He was wrong?

The word has the same meaning in John as it does everywhere in Scripture. It refers to something said or spoken.
However, in the case of John’s prologue, he is giving the word a name of God when the Word is made flesh.
IOW, the Son becomes what God was when He spoke the word as it pertains to the gospel.
When God said, let there be light, Jesus is that Light of the world.
So just as God brought light into the darkness by creating the Sun, moon and stars, Jesus brings that same creative power into the world by His presence in it.

 

[TMSO]

The word has the same meaning in John as it does everywhere in Scripture. It refers to something said or spoken.
However, in the case of John’s prologue, he is giving the word a name of God when the Word is made flesh.

In the beginning was the word, going all the way back to the beginning. At that time the Word was with God and the Word was God. This was not when the Word was made flesh, this was the beginning. The Word was God. So... God became flesh.

IOW, the Son becomes what God was when He spoke the word as it pertains to the gospel.
When God said, let there be light, Jesus is that Light of the world.

The light was created. What does John say of this Word and creation? "3 All things came into being through Him" Light was one of those things. "and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being."

So just as God brought light into the darkness by creating the Sun, moon and stars, Jesus brings that same creative power into the world by His presence in it.

That isn't what it says.

 

[Mr GLee]

The word has the same meaning in John as it does everywhere in Scripture. It refers to something said or spoken.
However, in the case of John’s prologue, he is giving the word a name of God when the Word is made flesh.
IOW, the Son becomes what God was when He spoke the word as it pertains to the gospel.
When God said, let there be light, Jesus is that Light of the world.
So just as God brought light into the darkness by creating the Sun, moon and stars, Jesus brings that same creative power into the world by His presence in it.

I would think the words as law are not subject to change "Let there be flesh" and it was created by the word of God "very good"

The unseen brings that seen

The law of faith or power of faithful trust .

An example. My wife who I put my complete trust in sent me her little apostle (sent messenger or errant boy) on a dangerous adventure to the supermarket .With a list not to add to or take away from. Upon finishing the work of faith that came from trusting my wife . I received the apostles reward two peanut butter cookies and a cold glass of milk .

The power of my wife labor of love worked in me to both hear her will and power to perform .

No different than with God. He gives us food that apostles knew not of at first . . meat as the daily bread. Power of the "Let there be" will of the Father

John 4:33-35King James Version Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat?Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.

 

[Viking123]

Amen!
Context is so important.

Yes context-Like at Gen 1:26--Let us make man in our image= twisted by most religions. Verse 27 is clear-HE( not we) created--Prov 8:27-28= HE created--Isaiah 40:26= HE created.= a single being has the power and wisdom to create anything.= HE ( not we)
Making us at Gen 1:26= YHVH(Jehovah=He) and his master worker( Prov 8:30)=Jesus-the one who was beside God during creation. He gives God 100% credit for all creation at Prov 8. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation= created direct, first and last( Col 1:15) all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3) Jesus=Gods master worker. Through means another did the creating=HE( YHVH(Jehovah).
Isaih 44:24-By myself i( not we) created= only a single being = only HE has the power and wisdom to create anything.

 

[Fred]

Yes context-Like at Gen 1:26--Let us make man in our image= twisted by most religions. Verse 27 is clear-HE( not we) created--Prov 8:27-28= HE created--Isaiah 40:26= HE created.= a single being has the power and wisdom to create anything.= HE ( not we)
Making us at Gen 1:26= YHVH(Jehovah=He) and his master worker( Prov 8:30)=Jesus-the one who was beside God during creation. He gives God 100% credit for all creation at Prov 8. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation= created direct, first and last( Col 1:15) all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3) Jesus=Gods master worker. Through means another did the creating=HE( YHVH(Jehovah).
Isaih 44:24-By myself i( not we) created= only a single being = only HE has the power and wisdom to create anything.

Keiw,
Are you a Viking?

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/why-is-there-more-than-1-christian-religion.2150/page-5#post-95388

 

[TMSO]

Yes context-Like at Gen 1:26--Let us make man in our image= twisted by most religions. Verse 27 is clear-HE( not we) created--Prov 8:27-28= HE created--Isaiah 40:26= HE created.= a single being has the power and wisdom to create anything.= HE ( not we)
Making us at Gen 1:26= YHVH(Jehovah=He) and his master worker( Prov 8:30)=Jesus-the one who was beside God during creation. He gives God 100% credit for all creation at Prov 8. Jesus is the firstborn of all creation= created direct, first and last( Col 1:15) all other things created-THROUGH( John 1:3) Jesus=Gods master worker. Through means another did the creating=HE( YHVH(Jehovah).
Isaih 44:24-By myself i( not we) created= only a single being = only HE has the power and wisdom to create anything.

The He... is this, as John says and as Paul says, Jesus or the Father? John says that without Jesus nothing was created that has been created.

Paul basically says the same thing in Colossians 1:
13 [t]For He rescued us from the [u]domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of [v]His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 [w]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For [x]by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He [y]is before all things, and in Him all things [z]hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For [aa]it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the [ab]fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in [ac]heaven.

Verse 15 on is speaking about Jesus.

The we in Genesis 1:26 is the Godhead talking it out. Like royalty speaking in the plural because they speak not simply for themselves but also the state they are over. So if the Queen says, we are not amused, you better not be, since she said you are not, if you fall under her rule. God is one Being, but made of three PERSONS. Different word, different aspect, God is One. The three persons are coexisting and coeternal. It is as easy to understand as a lifelong vegan understands exactly what chicken tastes like. They don't and we don't. We have no shared experience that can explain God's existence.

 

[Viking123]

The He... is this, as John says and as Paul says, Jesus or the Father? John says that without Jesus nothing was created that has been created.

Paul basically says the same thing in Colossians 1:
13 [t]For He rescued us from the [u]domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of [v]His beloved Son, 14 in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins.

15 [w]He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16 For [x]by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17 He [y]is before all things, and in Him all things [z]hold together. 18 He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19 For [aa]it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the [ab]fullness to dwell in Him, 20 and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in [ac]heaven.

Verse 15 on is speaking about Jesus.

The we in Genesis 1:26 is the Godhead talking it out. Like royalty speaking in the plural because they speak not simply for themselves but also the state they are over. So if the Queen says, we are not amused, you better not be, since she said you are not, if you fall under her rule. God is one Being, but made of three PERSONS. Different word, different aspect, God is One. The three persons are coexisting and coeternal. It is as easy to understand as a lifelong vegan understands exactly what chicken tastes like. They don't and we don't. We have no shared experience that can explain God's existence.

Catholicism error= nothing was created that has been created-- John 1:3 is clear-creating was done-THROUGH- Jesus= 100% another did it= The Father. Yes the firstborn of all creation= created direct, first and last, all other things created through him. There is no we in creating-I showed you 100% bible facts-HE= 1 single being created it all.
Isaiah 44:24-- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth who was with me?--See i( not we)-- myself= a single entity not a we.
By myself= the only being in existence with the power and wisdom to create. He did it -through- his master worker.
Prov 8:22-Produced me as the beginning of your way( creating) = the firstborn of all creation. Error bibles has possessed me= makes no sense.
Its fact Jerome used a corrupted latin translation to make the latin Vulgate. There is no i am that i am in the Hebrew written OT either, it came out of the corrupted latin text. Your bibles are deceiving you by satans will.

An image is never the real thing, but its how all could see the Father in Jesus=his image.

 

[Viking123]

Keiw,
Are you a Viking?

https://christcentered.community.forum/threads/why-is-there-more-than-1-christian-religion.2150/page-5#post-95388

A Minnesota Viking fan.

 

[TMSO]

Catholicism error= nothing was created that has been created-- John 1:3 is clear-creating was done-THROUGH- Jesus= 100% another did it= The Father. Yes the firstborn of all creation= created direct, first and last, all other things created through him. There is no we in creating-I showed you 100% bible facts-HE= 1 single being created it all.

You are missing the point. The we was the discussion. Let us create. The three persons discussing. He created, God, which is the Being made up of three, created. That is an action. They talk in plural, the act in the singular as the act as One.

Isaiah 44:24-- This is what Jehovah has said, your repurchaser and the former of you from the belly. I Jehovah am doing everything stretching out the heavens by myself, laying out the Earth who was with me?--See i( not we)-- myself= a single entity not a we.

See. It says that Jesus created everything, and without Him nothing was created. Who was with God, if God is One being? No one. Now three persons make up God, so there is nothing wrong with the verse above and the trinity. It is difficult/impossible to truly wrap your mind around, because God isn't like us. His existence is unlike any other we have experienced, so we have no shared experience to comprehend it.

By myself= the only being in existence with the power and wisdom to create. He did it -through- his master worker.
Prov 8:22-Produced me as the beginning of your way( creating) = the firstborn of all creation. Error bibles has possessed me= makes no sense.
Its fact Jerome used a corrupted latin translation to make the latin Vulgate. There is no i am that i am in the Hebrew written OT either, it came out of the corrupted latin text. Your bibles are deceiving you by satans will.

Um, this is from the greek. You don't have to go to the vulgate. You do realize that I am that I am is the translation of God's name, right? You also realize that the reason He gave His name as "I Am that I Am" is because no one had a standard by which to understand/comprehend God, so He name/defined Himsef by naming Himself. He is what He is. Nice way of saying, there is no shared understanding in your experiences in which you could hope to begin to comprehend who/what God is. All we have is what is in the Bible.

An image is never the real thing, but its how all could see the Father in Jesus=his image.

So, consider humanity. You have a father and a son. Is the son less then the father? Only in title. It doesn't matter what title you place on the child, that child is still HUMAN. So if God has a Son, which in the case of God means in the likeness of, that makes Jesus a god. Or perhaps John was right by saying Jesus was both with and was God. So while Jesus is God, just like the Father and the Holy Spirit, He also has a distinct existence from the Father and the Holy Spirit. However, if you talk about the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit, you are talking about God. Again, it is more then our feeble minds can hope to comprehend. There is nothing in the whole of existing creation that is like God. We have nothing by which to even try to understand, so we come up with the trinity, three persons making up One being, with the three being coexisting and coeternal. It's the best we can do to try to comprehend an existence that is beyond our ability to comprehend.

If Jesus isn't God, we are dead in our sins. A man cannot hope to die for his own sin, let alone the sins of all creation. This sacrifice was special in that it broke into eternity, saving Abraham and all the Old Testament Saints, even though they were long dead. The cross is not a point in time, it is a point that covers all eternity.

 

[Viking123]

You are missing the point. The we was the discussion. Let us create. The three persons discussing. He created, God, which is the Being made up of three, created. That is an action. They talk in plural, the act in the singular as the act as One.

See. It says that Jesus created everything, and without Him nothing was created. Who was with God, if God is One being? No one. Now three persons make up God, so there is nothing wrong with the verse above and the trinity. It is difficult/impossible to truly wrap your mind around, because God isn't like us. His existence is unlike any other we have experienced, so we have no shared experience to comprehend it.

Um, this is from the greek. You don't have to go to the vulgate. You do realize that I am that I am is the translation of God's name, right? You also realize that the reason He gave His name as "I Am that I Am" is because no one had a standard by which to understand/comprehend God, so He name/defined Himsef by naming Himself. He is what He is. Nice way of saying, there is no shared understanding in your experiences in which you could hope to begin to comprehend who/what God is. All we have is what is in the Bible.

So, consider humanity. You have a father and a son. Is the son less then the father? Only in title. It doesn't matter what title you place on the child, that child is still HUMAN. So if God has a Son, which in the case of God means in the likeness of, that makes Jesus a god. Or perhaps John was right by saying Jesus was both with and was God. So while Jesus is God, just like the Father and the Holy Spirit, He also has a distinct existence from the Father and the Holy Spirit. However, if you talk about the Father, or the Son, or the Holy Spirit, you are talking about God. Again, it is more then our feeble minds can hope to comprehend. There is nothing in the whole of existing creation that is like God. We have nothing by which to even try to understand, so we come up with the trinity, three persons making up One being, with the three being coexisting and coeternal. It's the best we can do to try to comprehend an existence that is beyond our ability to comprehend.

If Jesus isn't God, we are dead in our sins. A man cannot hope to die for his own sin, let alone the sins of all creation. This sacrifice was special in that it broke into eternity, saving Abraham and all the Old Testament Saints, even though they were long dead. The cross is not a point in time, it is a point that covers all eternity.

Your bibles are altered and filled with errors by Catholicism translating.
No son is his Father. They are both individuals. Jesus is Gods image, an image is never the real thing.
The codex sinacticus is the oldest Greek, except for a few minor fragments. Catholicism translated the Codex sinacticus. Writings say Constantine stole it and removed some passages. He most likely altered some as well to fit false council teachings.
Jerome prior to the Codex translated the Latin Vulgate from a corrupted previous Latin translation. What was the Codex translated from--most likely the Vulgate.

 

[Fred]

No son is his Father.

That isn't Trinitarianism.