What is : Imputed Righteousness

[Ghada]

"leads"
You need to be precise about what leads means.

It concludes in repentance from the sinning.

Do you understand we cannot put God in debt to us,

I've never even thought of it. Some things just aren't worth thinking nor arguing about.

Rom 11 (song at the end)? Our repentance does not earn justification,

I can see we may be drawing to a close. Once I respond to a specific point, I don't just keep responding to the same point over and over again.

Repentance doesn't earn anything of itself. Only repenting for Jesus' sake opens the door to Him to enter in with the whole NT promised heart, life, and light of the gospel of God.

Many hear, but few open the door.

Christian religion with partial repentance down the road is just looking through the peephole. They see the light outside, while believing to be saved inside the dark by their own faith alone.

but it must be there, like the other things. It should not be expressed any other way, because of the cause and effect already established.

Whatever. Do as you wish. It's your doctrine not mine.

Justification from sin-debt (only in the sense of debt)

Your doctrine of still sinning, but not being condemned while sinning, is not mine.

The only sin debt Jesus pays for is past sinning repented of.

and transformation from doing it.

Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Translation is from doing it, by repenting of it.

Transformation is of the mind by the word and Spirit, to learn and grow in not doing it, through all temptation and tribulation.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

Transformation ministers of less sinning, is not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

They don't minister the righteousness of God, to do so at all times. They minister a righteousness of their own, to only do so more often than before, while doing less of the same unrighteousness from before.

There is no perfection of transformation, Phil 3.

Not in your gospel, I know this already.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God.
It's the clear line and difference between the true light and the continued darkness.

Your gospel is believing to be saved first, with some repentance following when feeling like it.

My gospel is repenting of sinning by commandment first, with a whole new heart and life of Christ, with all things now being of God.

 

[EarlyActs]

We are justified from sinning, not from being condemned while sinning.



Justification is the gift given to them that repent of sinning for Jesus' sake. The result is righteous and holy living.


Not with the unrepented. There is no justification nor impact, but just continued sinning. Maybe less than before, but all the same to God: still going on in sin and unrighteousness.

justified from sinning
Nope, you think it is a solution to the activity of sin rather than the debt of it. It is not.

Take any person in a court case whom the judge declares not guilty. It does not have to do with his actions in the courtroom that hour, but with an incident from the past.

Our minds should be big enough to absorb two realities at once.

From what I read of you, at times you purposely reshape things of others to justify yourself.

That includes the apostles.



Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, saith the Lord GOD. Repent, and turn yourselves from all your transgressions; so iniquity shall not be your ruin.

Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.



You know you will do them, because you haven't repented of them.

I know I won't, so long as I keep the faith of Jesus to overcoming all temptation and tribulation with Him.

Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


Exactly. There is no such as thing as being saved by Christ's cross alone, as there is no being justified by one's faith alone.

Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.



I could demand you quote me accurately, rather than reshaping my words for effect. But...


But they refused to hearken, and pulled away the shoulder, and stopped their ears, that they should not hear.

Then they cried out with a loud voice, and stopped their ears, and ran upon him with one accord,

Thanks. You acknowledge I've been preaching God's words.

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

I'm not judging anyone personally. I'm certainly not someone judging all other Christians by my own faith and life. Some think they are the example for all Christians, because they declare all Christians must be still ongoing sinning as themselves.

Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

Doing righteousness at all times is only a sin and curse to them still doing unrighteousness. It defiles their conscience just to hear of it, much less want to see it.

That's why Cain tried to have a little talk with Abel. But after he'd had enough of trying to put some sense into his head, and accept at least some sinning from time to time, then he just gave up on him...

re repentance
As I have said many times, it is not repentance but the relative infinite righteousness of Christ. Repentance is a result of the news of that grace.

I can no longer take more than 1 question per post, it is too much work to trace it, if you care.

We must learn that cause and effect are two different things; but this is beyond you.

 

[EarlyActs]

It concludes in repentance from the sinning.



I've never even thought of it. Some things just aren't worth thinking nor arguing about.



I can see we may be drawing to a close. Once I respond to a specific point, I don't just keep responding to the same point over and over again.

Repentance doesn't earn anything of itself. Only repenting for Jesus' sake opens the door to Him to enter in with the whole NT promised heart, life, and light of the gospel of God.

Many hear, but few open the door.

Christian religion with partial repentance down the road is just looking through the peephole. They see the light outside, while believing to be saved inside the dark by their own faith alone.




Whatever. Do as you wish. It's your doctrine not mine.


Your doctrine of still sinning, but not being condemned while sinning, is not mine.

The only sin debt Jesus pays for is past sinning repented of.



Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Translation is from doing it, by repenting of it.

Transformation is of the mind by the word and Spirit, to learn and grow in not doing it, through all temptation and tribulation.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.

Transformation ministers of less sinning, is not the gospel of Jesus Christ.

Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

They don't minister the righteousness of God, to do so at all times. They minister a righteousness of their own, to only do so more often than before, while doing less of the same unrighteousness from before.


Not in your gospel, I know this already.

Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. And all things are of God.
It's the clear line and difference between the true light and the continued darkness.

Your gospel is believing to be saved first, with some repentance following when feeling like it.

My gospel is repenting of sinning by commandment first, with a whole new heart and life of Christ, with all things now being of God.

'when you feel like it.'
I do not believe that; you made the mess, you clean it up. Neither of us can be the Holy Spirit to someone else, it has to be when they are moved.

The NT tell us the new way of doing things is that God acts redemptively first and we respond in love. In marriage, in your version, you would tell a wife to obey and submit, even if there were nothing to gain. You are heartless.

 

[EarlyActs]

NEWSFLASH:
I just learned Paul is totally mistaken in Rom 6. He never uses the term 'repentance'!!! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6&version=NET

 

[EarlyActs]

The only sin debt Jesus pays for is past sinning repented of.
that's what I say, but you move this to the present and try to pretend that people can be perfectly righteous, and distort the term 'justification' by saying it is present-tense perfect righteousness, which only Christ can be anyway. You have done this more times than I can count.

 

[Ghada]

"enemies"
We are not enemies on the command to repentance;

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

God's command to repent is to transgressors, not to righteous saints that need no repentance.

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The just are them that do repent by commandment of God, and are now living by the faith of Jesus.

we are enemies on cause and effect.

Any one is an enemy of God on cause of transgression. And still a friend of the world.

God justifies first and that compels us or wins us to many good works,\

Your gospel of being justified by faith first, with some repenting in your own good time, is not mine.

My gospel is repenting of all sinning at once, and now being all God's and doing all things through Christ Jesus.

Which does not include sinning at any time in, with, nor by Him.

If at any time I am found a sinner, as Paul says, we are not justified by Christ, because the sinless Head does not minister sin to members of His own body.

as Gal 5 says, 'about the fruit of the Spirit, you cannot make a law.'

For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Once we repent of sinning against God, we are now made free by the law of Christ from the law of being dead to God by sinning.

Your country club gospel of piecemeal repentance at leisure, is not mine.

You should either explain your condemnation of Peter or leave. What you have said has condemned him as a lesser god believer, as fake faith.

What you reshape it to be is for your justification. Either you quote and show I have done so, or you can leave the false accusation behind.

You are full of condemnation; seems to be your identity.

Now, this says a whole lot. I have condemned no one personally, but only challenge and condemn teachings and gospels against the Bible.

Your protest against condemnation, where no condemnation is made, is proof of your own defiled conscience.

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The problem with putting your trust in your doctrine alone not to condemn you, is that your conscience becomes defiled and offended when your doctrine is soundly rebuked.

My conscience is clean or defiled only by my own words and deeds. I don't trust in my doctrine alone to resurrect me from the dead unto life.

You apparently do. Afterall, by your doctrine alone you separate your soul from your works, and so seek to justify and resurrect yourself apart from your life.

In the end, all such 'doctrinal justification' by faith alone ends in the grave. God the Father will still judge each and every one of us by our works, without respect of persons.

 

[Ghada]

NEWSFLASH:
I just learned Paul is totally mistaken in Rom 6. He never uses the term 'repentance'!!! https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+6&version=NET

And totally mistaken in Eph 2. He never uses the term 'justified'!!!

Since no repentance is needed in Roman 6 to be justified by Christ, then there is no justification by Christ when saved by faith.

The Bible just keeps getting more and more complicated, when unclean hands start playing games with it.

Now we have the gospel of being converted and saved, without repenting and being justified.

The only sin debt Jesus pays for is past sinning repented of.
that's what I say, but you move this to the present and try to pretend that people can be perfectly righteous, and distort the term 'justification' by saying it is present-tense perfect righteousness, which only Christ can be anyway. You have done this more times than I can count.

And I'll do so again for you.

No man now sinning with the devil, is now justified by Christ.

Sounds better every time I hear it.

 

[EarlyActs]

And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:

God's command to repent is to transgressors, not to righteous saints that need no repentance.

I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

The just are them that do repent by commandment of God, and are now living by the faith of Jesus.


Any one is an enemy of God on cause of transgression. And still a friend of the world.




Your gospel of being justified by faith first, with some repenting in your own good time, is not mine.

My gospel is repenting of all sinning at once, and now being all God's and doing all things through Christ Jesus.

Which does not include sinning at any time in, with, nor by Him.

If at any time I am found a sinner, as Paul says, we are not justified by Christ, because the sinless Head does not minister sin to members of His own body.





For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Once we repent of sinning against God, we are now made free by the law of Christ from the law of being dead to God by sinning.

Your country club gospel of piecemeal repentance at leisure, is not mine.




What you reshape it to be is for your justification. Either you quote and show I have done so, or you can leave the false accusation behind.


Now, this says a whole lot. I have condemned no one personally, but only challenge and condemn teachings and gospels against the Bible.

Your protest against condemnation, where no condemnation is made, is proof of your own defiled conscience.

He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

The problem with putting your trust in your doctrine alone not to condemn you, is that your conscience becomes defiled and offended when your doctrine is soundly rebuked.

My conscience is clean or defiled only by my own words and deeds. I don't trust in my doctrine alone to resurrect me from the dead unto life.

You apparently do. Afterall, by your doctrine alone you separate your soul from your works, and so seek to justify and resurrect yourself apart from your life.

In the end, all such 'doctrinal justification' by faith alone ends in the grave. God the Father will still judge each and every one of us by our works, without respect of persons.

I'm blocking you because you refuse to answer one post at a time and love to create a jumble.

Also you incidentally have never read Rom 7. You would have to condemn every person who is implicated by Rom 7 (all believers). Enjoy your ghetto.

 

[Ghada]

The only sin debt Jesus pays for is past sinning repented of.
that's what I say, but you move this to the present and try to pretend that people can be perfectly righteous, and distort the term 'justification' by saying it is present-tense perfect righteousness, which only Christ can be anyway. You have done this more times than I can count.

Blessed are they that keep judgment, and he that is doing righteousness at all times.

Just doing right with God at all times is enough for God. If that is what you mean by 'perfect' righteousness, then it's blessed of God.

And since you reject it, and instead choose an imperfect righteousness mixed with continued unrighteousness, then it's yours alone, not God's.

And so, we now see how you preach a gospel of your own righteousness.

 

[Ghada]

I'm blocking you

I blocked you long ago. None of your stuff gets passed my guard.

Also you incidentally have never read Rom 7. You would have to condemn every person who is implicated by Rom 7 (all believers).

All believers of your double hearted gospel, not ours.

Enjoy your ghetto.

Thanks, I will.

 

[jeremiah1five]

1.) "made righteous", as "the righteousness OF GOD..... "in Christ".


Who is that?

That is ALL the born again. ......"Jesus said... you must be born again".


2.) So, what is "righteousness"?

Its God's nature, and its Christ's nature who is God. Its beyond being sinless.... its Pure Holiness and Truth, itself.


So, here is how to understand what it means to become .. .""a New Creation in Christ"". = having the "gift of righteousness".

Its very simple to understand, but believing it is going to offend your flesh, and yet, until you do, you'll have no power over your lust.

Its this reader...

When you went to Jesus, believing, God did something that is ETERNAL.
He performed :

A.) The Divine Exchange.

This means, that Jesus became ALL your sin....and you became "the righteousness of God in Christ", born again.
This means that your sin went to Jesus who was slain for it...."God hath made JESUS to be sin for us".... and Christ's Righteous became you as : "A new Creation IN Christ"..... "made righteous"... "One with God'"

See that?
Now, here is how you understand what that means...
It means that because of your new birth in the Spirit, God has BIRTHED you Spiritually as being exactly like Christ's Righteousness.
In other words... You are now re-recreated spiritually, as if you lived the Holy Life that Jesus offered to God, that is sinless, righteous, and pure.
This is the 'imputed" "GIFT of Righteousness" that is "The GIFT of Salvation"
That is every born again CHRISTian, = has become this....by Spiritual Birth, through the Blood Atonement (New Covenant) Redemption.

= "AS JESUS IS...... so are the born again....in THIS World"

= "made Righteous".

= "Being NOW.....made free from sin"..

In our spiritual birth we retain the same body, are the same soul. The only thing "re-created" is a human spirit (Eph. 4:24; 2 Cor. 5:17.).
In our change in the twinkling of His eye our bodies are changed (corruption into incorruption), and our soul becomes His image. This is our conformity to Christ who is the image of God the Father.

 

[Mr GLee]

In our spiritual birth we retain the same body, are the same soul. The only thing "re-created" is a human spirit (Eph. 4:24; 2 Cor. 5:17.).
In our change in the twinkling of His eye our bodies are changed (corruption into incorruption), and our soul becomes His image. This is our conformity to Christ who is the image of God the Father.

Hi do you even read the Bible? Or do you follow the teaching of a Rabbi dying mankind .?

Eternal God is not a dying Jewish man

1 John 3:1Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

As born again sons of God which we are.( it is crystal clear) does not appear what we will be as the bride or wife of Christ also called the mother of us all . No procreating in the new order, no aging leading toward death

Galatians 4:26-27 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate (dying mankind) hath many more children than she which hath an husband.(Christ almighty God )

We do know it will not be dying as these bodies of death and there will be no commandment to be fruitful and multiply Therefore neither male nor female Jew nor Gentile(dying mankind)

Galatians 3:27-29King James Version2 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ (husband) have put on Christ.There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one (bride) in Christ Jesus.2 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed,(one Christ ) and heirs according to the promise.

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[Ghada]

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