What if God, willing to. . . .

[Carbon]

That thinking is the disaster that comes from the false doctrine of Original Sin. The only reason anyone stands condemned is because he, not Adam, has sinned. And the disaster of the heretical doctrine of Total Depravity is even worse.

Wow!
Friend, you are denying very important Christian truths.

 

[Alive]

What is interesting when looking at Psalm 14 is realizing how Paul quoted it in Romans and the context. A great example of how the NT by the Holy Spirit interprets the OT.

 

[Carbon]

What is interesting when looking at Psalm 14 is realizing how Paul quoted it in Romans and the context. A great example of how the NT by the Holy Spirit interprets the OT.

Indeed

 

[JIM]

“The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they have committed detestable acts; There is no one who does good.

The LORD has looked down from heaven upon the sons of mankind To see if there are any who understand, Who seek God.

They have all turned aside, together they are corrupt; There is no one who does good, not even one.

Do all the workers of injustice not know, Who devour my people as they eat bread, And do not call upon the LORD?

There they are in great dread, For God is with a righteous generation.

You would put to shame the plan of the poor, But the LORD is his refuge.

Oh, that the salvation of Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the fortunes of His people, Jacob will rejoice, Israel will be glad.”

(Psalm 14:1-7 NAS20)

I am not sure what you have intended with that particular post.

However, The "they" in verse 1 that are corrupt, committed detestable acts, and does not do good are the fools who have said "there is no God".

Paul makes reference to that passage in the Psalms in Romans 3: It is a part of his dissertation on the hopelessness of salvation through the law. In the very next section after quoting that passage in Psalm 14, Paul lays out his message of the righteousness of God through faith (Rom 3:22), stating that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23). It is the failure of each and every individual himself.

 

[JIM]

Wow!
Friend, you are denying very important Christian truths.

No, my friend, I am denying the false teaching of Calvinism.

 

[Carbon]

It has nothing to do with me "allowing" anything. It is has only to do what He says.

The. Why don’t you listen to what He says.

 

[Carbon]

No, my friend, I am denying the false teaching of Calvinism.

Oh no, another Calvinism hater.

 

[JIM]

The. Why don’t you listen to what He says.

Why don't you?

 

[Carbon]

Why don't you?

I do. And I’m sharing it with you.

 

[JIM]

I do. And I’m sharing it with you.

Nah, you are listening to Calvin who listened to Augustine of Hippo who imported his Manichaean faith into his teachings on Christianity.

 

[Alive]

I am not sure what you have intended with that particular post.

However, The "they" in verse 1 that are corrupt, committed detestable acts, and does not do good are the fools who have said "there is no God".

Paul makes reference to that passage in the Psalms in Romans 3: It is a part of his dissertation on the hopelessness of salvation through the law. In the very next section after quoting that passage in Psalm 14, Paul lays out his message of the righteousness of God through faith (Rom 3:22), stating that "all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God" (Rom 3:23). It is the failure of each and every individual himself.

The take away is that sinners sin because they are sinners. Adam died when he sinned and took on the nature of the enemy from that time on being a member of the kingdom of darkness. All men came from Adam’s loins as he reproduced.
The law of ‘kinds’ At work. This is why it’s required to be “born from above”.
Old Adam must die and be Raised in New Life and that Life is Christ. The Second Adam and New Man.
Adam has to die as does his progeny. This is the Gospel.

 

[Carbon]

Nah, you are listening to Calvin who listened to Augustine of Hippo who imported his Manichaean faith into his teachings on Christianity.

Haha.
Oh boy. I see John lives rent free in your head

 

[Carbon]

Nah, you are listening to Calvin who listened to Augustine of Hippo who imported his Manichaean faith into his teachings on Christianity.

Hope you’re not going to turn this into a bad Calvin experience because if so, you already lost.

Just sayin

 

[Carbon]

The take away is that sinners sin because they are sinners. Adam died when he sinned and took on the nature of the enemy from that time on being a member of the kingdom of darkness. All men came from Adam’s loins as he reproduced.
The law of ‘kinds’ At work. This is why it’s required to be “born from above”.
Old Adam must die and be Raised in New Life and that Life is Christ. The Second Adam and New Man.
Adam has to die as does his progeny. This is the Gospel.

Amen!

 

[Arial]

Rom 9:1 I am speaking the truth in Christ--I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit--
Rom 9:2 that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart.
Rom 9:3 For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh.
Rom 9:4 They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises.
Rom 9:5 To them belong the patriarchs, and from their race, according to the flesh, is the Christ who is God over all, blessed forever. Amen.
Rom 9:6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel,

Clearly, Paul is speaking of the nation Israel here in his lament.

Yes. Because they are the ones who had the partriarchs and through whom Jesus would come. They should have known who Christ is but the didn't. That is what Paul is lamenting. And you left out half a verse

6-7 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be names, This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

It is this which you leave out that give us the context of what Paul is saying. Read it for yourself and set aside the distortion you have created. It is salvation unto eternal life by God's purpose of election and nothing else. 10-12 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad---in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not becasuse of works but because of him who calls---she was told, "The older will serve the younger."

From there Paul drives his point home. anticipating the very rebellion against this that you and others exhibit.

 

[Alive]

Yes. Because they are the ones who had the partriarchs and through whom Jesus would come. They should have known who Christ is but the didn't. That is what Paul is lamenting. And you left out half a verse

6-7 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be names, This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

It is this which you leave out that give us the context of what Paul is saying. Read it for yourself and set aside the distortion you have created. It is salvation unto eternal life by God's purpose of election and nothing else. 10-12 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad---in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not becasuse of works but because of him who calls---she was told, "The older will serve the younger."

From there Paul drives his point home. anticipating the very rebellion against this that you and others exhibit.

Amen and Amen!

 

[JIM]

The take away is that sinners sin because they are sinners. Adam died when he sinned and took on the nature of the enemy from that time on being a member of the kingdom of darkness. All men came from Adam’s loins as he reproduced. The law of ‘kinds’ At work. This is why it’s required to be “born from above”.

That is the case of our bodies; but that is not the case with our spirits (souls). Our spirits come from God (Zech12:1; Eccl 12:7; Ezek 18).
The reason it's required to be "born from above" is because we were dead in our trespasses and sins, not because of anything Adam did. That is the Gospel.

 

[JIM]

Yes. Because they are the ones who had the partriarchs and through whom Jesus would come. They should have known who Christ is but the didn't. That is what Paul is lamenting. And you left out half a verse

6-7 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but "Through Isaac shall your offspring be names, This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

It is this which you leave out that give us the context of what Paul is saying. Read it for yourself and set aside the distortion you have created. It is salvation unto eternal life by God's purpose of election and nothing else. 10-12 And not only so, but also when Rebekah had conceived children by one man, our forefather Isaac, though they were not yet born and had done nothing either good or bad---in order that God's purpose of election might continue, not becasuse of works but because of him who calls---she was told, "The older will serve the younger."

From there Paul drives his point home. anticipating the very rebellion against this that you and others exhibit.

What do you think is the election of purpose in verse 11? The election Paul is speaking of there is the election of the nation Israel. What was the purpose of that election? That purpose was the bringing of Christ to the world. That was why God chose Israel. That is what Paul is talking about. That should be obvious given the first six verses of the chapter that I posted.

 

[JIM]

Hope you’re not going to turn this into a bad Calvin experience because if so, you already lost.

Just sayin

You are the very result of a bad Calvin experience. That experience that he, Calvin, sided with the mistaken Manichaean turned Christian.

 

[Carbon]

You are the very result of a bad Calvin experience. That experience that he, Calvin, sided with the mistaken Manichaean turned Christian.

I see you know little about Calvin also.