Understanding the Prophecy of 70 Weeks

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I'm going with this one.....

 

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And there's this one....

 

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Perhaps this one....

 

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Or perhaps this one...

 

[EarlyActs]

Or perhaps this one...

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There's no prophetic gap at all. It originally makes perfect sense if you know NT history. The problem is how futurists jump antecedents at v27a. They say he is AC. It is not. It is Messiah, the antecedent of the whole end of ch 9. The desolating one is, to be sure, in 27b, ruining the place.

There is no mystery not revealed about a time segment, see Amos 9 or 'in the Seed all the nations of the earth will be blessed.' Even most of Judaism believed the nations were to 'come in' once Messiah came. But there is a mystery about the channel of Israel's blessings to the nations (which are really the Gospel, not the race-nation itself), that it would be the Gospel, not the torah. This is expressly the point of Eph 3:5, 6. The phrase 'in the Gospel' is moved to the beginning of the line for strategic emphasis.

This issue about the torah as the gate or the way to enter (contr. Jn 10 where Jesus is the way and the gate) is why the schism of Acts 10 developed, was resolved by the apostles bulletin in ch 15.

 

[EarlyActs]

Dan 9's lines about Messiah do not have him making a treaty with Israel. He confirms the new covenant. You could, however, say that the evil desolator made some kind of treaty; but he actually imposed a police state, so that breaks down too.

 

[CrowCross]

Dan 9's lines about Messiah do not have him making a treaty with Israel. He confirms the new covenant. You could, however, say that the evil desolator made some kind of treaty; but he actually imposed a police state, so that breaks down too.

The point is....I can find dozens of charts....bunch of views....and only the chart that fits your "model" is the correct chart.

 

[EarlyActs]

The point is....I can find dozens of charts....bunch of views....and only the chart that fits your "model" is the correct chart.

I thought the point of activity here was to get as close as possible to the text involved, which would be the end of Dan 9.

 

[EarlyActs]

We want to know what the thing originally meant. When I go to many posts, on many topics really, the first thing from the others is not what the text said, but what they learned from a theology system elsewhere. What's the use of that?

Most theology is junk, contrived, irrational, doctrinaire. Very low immersion into and submission to the text. Very low ability to find those places where the NT said the most in the most coherent passage (staying on a topic, not scattered lines like 'I came only to the lost sheep of Israel').

 

[EarlyActs]

I'm several posts into a talk with someone about a section of Romans , and I have no indication yet that he has read or absorbed it. But he is sure of what he believes. Spiritual warfare? I think so.

 

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I thought the point of activity here was to get as close as possible to the text involved, which would be the end of Dan 9.

Of course your interpretation is the closest and only interpretation.

You do know you have failed to show what is described in Revelation has already happened.

 

[EarlyActs]

As the first page says, some things have happened, some are happening, and some are to come. I think you missed that.

Ps 2 and 110 tell us all we need to know: That the Son who was mistreated will have his day; the Father will crush all his enemies and give him the world to come, which he gives back. That’s the apostles saying so. Acts17’s final lines by Paul at Athens. Why didn’t Paul spew out a list of 100 horrors right there?

Are you interested in that? That’s all that matters. Or is your security in a list of 100 perfectly-sequenced horrors?

 

[EarlyActs]

Our ground of proof of the Bible should not lie in future events, but in what was explained in the 40 days. Future events is a mistaken source started about 100 years ago when Christian thinkers succumbed to modern science’s frauds.

 

[TMSO]

There's no prophetic gap at all. It originally makes perfect sense if you know NT history. The problem is how futurists jump antecedents at v27a. They say he is AC. It is not. It is Messiah, the antecedent of the whole end of ch 9. The desolating one is, to be sure, in 27b, ruining the place.

There is no mystery not revealed about a time segment, see Amos 9 or 'in the Seed all the nations of the earth will be blessed.' Even most of Judaism believed the nations were to 'come in' once Messiah came. But there is a mystery about the channel of Israel's blessings to the nations (which are really the Gospel, not the race-nation itself), that it would be the Gospel, not the torah. This is expressly the point of Eph 3:5, 6. The phrase 'in the Gospel' is moved to the beginning of the line for strategic emphasis.

This issue about the torah as the gate or the way to enter (contr. Jn 10 where Jesus is the way and the gate) is why the schism of Acts 10 developed, was resolved by the apostles bulletin in ch 15.

So Jesus is a covenant breaker?

 

[Hobie]

Where has it been twisted or distorted? I agree there is some speculation when trying to guess what the beast system will look like...but the signs show it is well under way.

Here is a simple straightforth understanding on this that anyone can grasp...."
Though heavy-laden with history and theology, the 70-week prophecy itself, just the numbers, is quite simple.

It starts out with, well, 70 weeks. The angel Gabriel says that “seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city” (Dan. 9:24, NKJV).

So, it begins with 70 weeks, 490 days.

Gabriel then says that “from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (verse 25).

So, seven weeks plus 62 weeks comes to 69 weeks, or 483 days. Thus, 69 of the 70 weeks are immediately accounted for. Plus, this gives us the starting point of the 70 weeks.

All that remains is one week, the last, the seventieth.

That week immediately appears in the next verse, when Gabriel says, “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself” (verse 26).

After what 62 weeks? The 62 weeks of the previous verse, which follow the seven weeks. Thus, after the seven weeks and the 62 weeks, that is, after 69 weeks, the Messiah will be “cut off.” And because only one week remains in the prophecy, this verse is referring to the seventieth week, the last seven days.

This final week is depicted again: “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering” (verse 27).

In the midst of the last week, or in three and a half days, the “sacrifice and offerings” will cease.

What does this all mean?

First, the command to “restore and rebuild Jerusalem,” its starting point, was in 457 B.C, one of the firmest dates in biblical antiquity. (Years ago, Desmond Ford wrote a long article dissing 457, giving all the various and sundry reasons why he thought that 457 B.C. couldn’t be right. The date that he chose instead was—458 B.C., a difference of six months.)

So from 457 B.C to the “Messiah the prince,” Jesus, was how long? The text said 69 weeks, 483 days, or about one year and four months. That length, of course, can’t be correct, because it would have the Messiah, Jesus, coming almost half a millennium before He did. But if one applies the day-year principle, the 69 weeks, or 483 days, becomes 483 years, which brings us to A.D. 27, the year that Jesus was baptized. The ministry of Jesus Himself proves the validity of the day-year principle.

All that remains, then, is the last week, or the last seven years. In the midst of the week, or three and half years later, which comes to A.D. 31, “the sacrifice and the oblations” are brought to an end. At the death of Jesus, that is, when the Messiah was “cut off” in A.D. 31, the veil in the temple was torn apart, from top to bottom(Matt. 27:51; Mark 15:38), signifying the end of the purpose of the sacrifice and oblations because what they all pointed to, the death of Jesus, had been fulfilled.

Meanwhile, it said that He, the Messiah, will confirm a covenant “with many for one week” (verse 27), the last week, which ended in 34 A.D. with the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7) and the gospel now going to Gentiles as well as Jews.

So in short, there are 70 “weeks.” Sixty-nine of the 70 bring us to Jesus. The last week remains; in the midst of that week, or three and half “days,” Jesus is crucified,” then the prophecy ends."Cliff's Edge––The 70-Weeks Made Simple | Adventist Review

 

[EarlyActs]

Here is a simple straightforth understanding on this that anyone can grasp...."
Though heavy-laden with history and theology, the 70-week prophecy itself, just the numbers, is quite simple.

It starts out with, well, 70 weeks. The angel Gabriel says that “seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city” (Dan. 9:24, NKJV).

So, it begins with 70 weeks, 490 days.

Gabriel then says that “from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (verse 25).

So, seven weeks plus 62 weeks comes to 69 weeks, or 483 days. Thus, 69 of the 70 weeks are immediately accounted for. Plus, this gives us the starting point of the 70 weeks.

All that remains is one week, the last, the seventieth.

That week immediately appears in the next verse, when Gabriel says, “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself” (verse 26).

After what 62 weeks? The 62 weeks of the previous verse, which follow the seven weeks. Thus, after the seven weeks and the 62 weeks, that is, after 69 weeks, the Messiah will be “cut off.” And because only one week remains in the prophecy, this verse is referring to the seventieth week, the last seven days.

This final week is depicted again: “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering” (verse 27).

In the midst of the last week, or in three and a half days, the “sacrifice and offerings” will cease.

What does this all mean?

First, the command to “restore and rebuild Jerusalem,” its starting point, was in 457 B.C, one of the firmest dates in biblical antiquity. (Years ago, Desmond Ford wrote a long article dissing 457, giving all the various and sundry reasons why he thought that 457 B.C. couldn’t be right. The date that he chose instead was—458 B.C., a difference of six months.)

So from 457 B.C to the “Messiah the prince,” Jesus, was how long? The text said 69 weeks, 483 days, or about one year and four months. That length, of course, can’t be correct, because it would have the Messiah, Jesus, coming almost half a millennium before He did. But if one applies the day-year principle, the 69 weeks, or 483 days, becomes 483 years, which brings us to A.D. 27, the year that Jesus was baptized. The ministry of Jesus Himself proves the validity of the day-year principle.

All that remains, then, is the last week, or the last seven years. In the midst of the week, or three and half years later, which comes to A.D. 31, “the sacrifice and the oblations” are brought to an end. At the death of Jesus, that is, when the Messiah was “cut off” in A.D. 31, the veil in the temple was torn apart, from top to bottom(Matt. 27:51; Mark 15:38), signifying the end of the purpose of the sacrifice and oblations because what they all pointed to, the death of Jesus, had been fulfilled.

Meanwhile, it said that He, the Messiah, will confirm a covenant “with many for one week” (verse 27), the last week, which ended in 34 A.D. with the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7) and the gospel now going to Gentiles as well as Jews.

So in short, there are 70 “weeks.” Sixty-nine of the 70 bring us to Jesus. The last week remains; in the midst of that week, or three and half “days,” Jesus is crucified,” then the prophecy ends."Cliff's Edge––The 70-Weeks Made Simple | Adventist Review

Mostly good stuff.

1, be sure to note the antecedent jump at 27a and b; that is the essential futurist error.
2, the expression ‘the end will come like a flood’ is what allows the vision to refer to the entire generation after Messiah. This critical generation could have gone Messiahs mission direction but instead followed the horrid character already connected with desolation in ch 8.

 

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Here is a simple straightforth understanding on this that anyone can grasp...."
Though heavy-laden with history and theology, the 70-week prophecy itself, just the numbers, is quite simple.

It starts out with, well, 70 weeks. The angel Gabriel says that “seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city” (Dan. 9:24, NKJV).

So, it begins with 70 weeks, 490 days.

Gabriel then says that “from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (verse 25).

So, seven weeks plus 62 weeks comes to 69 weeks, or 483 days. Thus, 69 of the 70 weeks are immediately accounted for. Plus, this gives us the starting point of the 70 weeks.

All that remains is one week, the last, the seventieth.

That week immediately appears in the next verse, when Gabriel says, “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself” (verse 26).

After what 62 weeks? The 62 weeks of the previous verse, which follow the seven weeks. Thus, after the seven weeks and the 62 weeks, that is, after 69 weeks, the Messiah will be “cut off.” And because only one week remains in the prophecy, this verse is referring to the seventieth week, the last seven days.

This final week is depicted again: “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering” (verse 27).

In the midst of the last week, or in three and a half days, the “sacrifice and offerings” will cease.

What does this all mean?

First, the command to “restore and rebuild Jerusalem,” its starting point, was in 457 B.C, one of the firmest dates in biblical antiquity. (Years ago, Desmond Ford wrote a long article dissing 457, giving all the various and sundry reasons why he thought that 457 B.C. couldn’t be right. The date that he chose instead was—458 B.C., a difference of six months.)

So from 457 B.C to the “Messiah the prince,” Jesus, was how long? The text said 69 weeks, 483 days, or about one year and four months. That length, of course, can’t be correct, because it would have the Messiah, Jesus, coming almost half a millennium before He did. But if one applies the day-year principle, the 69 weeks, or 483 days, becomes 483 years, which brings us to A.D. 27, the year that Jesus was baptized. The ministry of Jesus Himself proves the validity of the day-year principle.

All that remains, then, is the last week, or the last seven years. In the midst of the week, or three and half years later, which comes to A.D. 31, “the sacrifice and the oblations” are brought to an end. At the death of Jesus, that is, when the Messiah was “cut off” in A.D. 31, the veil in the temple was torn apart, from top to bottom(Matt. 27:51; Mark 15:38), signifying the end of the purpose of the sacrifice and oblations because what they all pointed to, the death of Jesus, had been fulfilled.

Meanwhile, it said that He, the Messiah, will confirm a covenant “with many for one week” (verse 27), the last week, which ended in 34 A.D. with the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7) and the gospel now going to Gentiles as well as Jews.

So in short, there are 70 “weeks.” Sixty-nine of the 70 bring us to Jesus. The last week remains; in the midst of that week, or three and half “days,” Jesus is crucified,” then the prophecy ends."Cliff's Edge––The 70-Weeks Made Simple | Adventist Review

I disagree.

The calander math I've seen shows one full week left to go.

 

[TMSO]

Here is a simple straightforth understanding on this that anyone can grasp...."
Though heavy-laden with history and theology, the 70-week prophecy itself, just the numbers, is quite simple.

It starts out with, well, 70 weeks. The angel Gabriel says that “seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city” (Dan. 9:24, NKJV).

So, it begins with 70 weeks, 490 days.

Gabriel then says that “from the going forth of the command to restore and build Jerusalem until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks” (verse 25).

So, seven weeks plus 62 weeks comes to 69 weeks, or 483 days. Thus, 69 of the 70 weeks are immediately accounted for. Plus, this gives us the starting point of the 70 weeks.

All that remains is one week, the last, the seventieth.

That week immediately appears in the next verse, when Gabriel says, “And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself” (verse 26).

After what 62 weeks? The 62 weeks of the previous verse, which follow the seven weeks. Thus, after the seven weeks and the 62 weeks, that is, after 69 weeks, the Messiah will be “cut off.” And because only one week remains in the prophecy, this verse is referring to the seventieth week, the last seven days.

This final week is depicted again: “Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; but in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering” (verse 27).

In the midst of the last week, or in three and a half days, the “sacrifice and offerings” will cease.

What does this all mean?

First, the command to “restore and rebuild Jerusalem,” its starting point, was in 457 B.C, one of the firmest dates in biblical antiquity. (Years ago, Desmond Ford wrote a long article dissing 457, giving all the various and sundry reasons why he thought that 457 B.C. couldn’t be right. The date that he chose instead was—458 B.C., a difference of six months.)

So from 457 B.C to the “Messiah the prince,” Jesus, was how long? The text said 69 weeks, 483 days, or about one year and four months. That length, of course, can’t be correct, because it would have the Messiah, Jesus, coming almost half a millennium before He did. But if one applies the day-year principle, the 69 weeks, or 483 days, becomes 483 years, which brings us to A.D. 27, the year that Jesus was baptized. The ministry of Jesus Himself proves the validity of the day-year principle.

All that remains, then, is the last week, or the last seven years. In the midst of the week, or three and half years later, which comes to A.D. 31, “the sacrifice and the oblations” are brought to an end. At the death of Jesus, that is, when the Messiah was “cut off” in A.D. 31, the veil in the temple was torn apart, from top to bottom(Matt. 27:51; Mark 15:38), signifying the end of the purpose of the sacrifice and oblations because what they all pointed to, the death of Jesus, had been fulfilled.

Meanwhile, it said that He, the Messiah, will confirm a covenant “with many for one week” (verse 27), the last week, which ended in 34 A.D. with the stoning of Stephen (Acts 7) and the gospel now going to Gentiles as well as Jews.

So in short, there are 70 “weeks.” Sixty-nine of the 70 bring us to Jesus. The last week remains; in the midst of that week, or three and half “days,” Jesus is crucified,” then the prophecy ends."Cliff's Edge––The 70-Weeks Made Simple | Adventist Review

1. How does the Messiah strengthen/confirm the covenant?
2. With which leader/leaders did He strengthen/confirm the covenant for 7 years, since you say he did this at the beginning of his ministry? If it is important for prophecy, would it not be mentioned by at least John, if not anyone else? It was John who mentioned the fulfillment of that one verse in Zechariah, used to show Jesus absolutely was the Messiah. Why would he not mention Daniel's prophecy, since it, according to you, also deals with the Messiah?
3. Why does the Messiah violate the covenant He just confirmed for one week? Does God violate/break covenants?
LXX: "27 And one week shall establish the covenant with many: and in the midst of the week my sacrifice and drink-offering shall be taken away: and on the temple the abomination of desolations; and at the end of time an end shall be put to the desolation."
There are some versions to include the LXX that say that he makes/establishes a covenant, not confirm. An important question, what does it mean by "at the end of time"? Does it not mean that the end of the week will also be the end of time?
4. After 69 weeks the Messiah is cut off. What does it mean when it says about the Messiah: "and shall have nothing" That is the Messiah will be cut off and shall have nothing? What does that mean?

The 70th week has yet to occur. If you look into early church fathers, look at what they have to say about the Antichrist, and the last 3 1/2 years. It reflects on Daniel's 70th week. I believe this is why the 70th week is not named. Also why it isn't congruent. Consider all the things that verse 26 says, and then verse 27 starts with "Then". "Then he shall confirm a [g]covenant with many for one week;". So after the Messiah is cut off.

At this time there is a covenant with Israel and a small number of countries. Then President Trump made it happen. The Abrahamic Accords. Consider the possibility that this could be used by the right person, to end the conflict/war that has been going on for a time. Consider that Trump said there were a number of other countries ready to come to the table and sign, and it would happen if he won in 2020. Consider that at this time, his political aspirations are on life support. They could be dealt a fatal blow by the Supreme Court saying that indeed, he is covered under the 14th amendment insurrection clause. Consider that Trump is the kind of person who would probably have no issue letting Israel rebuild the temple, and even offer sacrifices. He already offered some country part of the territory of Israel if they would make peace. (And it was the other country that mentioned it, and said they were shocked beyond belief that Trump would do that. It's not like Trump had the right to do that, but he is all about the art of the deal.) Please note: This was all given only in consideration to show how the 70th week could very well have a future fulfillment, and that it could possibly be unfolding now. In no way do I believe that Trump is any kind of fulfillment of prophecy. Again, this is just given in consideration.

 

[EarlyActs]

1. The new covenant did need some unpacking. Israel's question would be: what about people who participated in the death of Christ? Well, that rejection is not the one that would make God change his relation. The rejection that mattered by Israel was rejecting the new message. This is explained in Acts 2--4, 13 and 15. He made the covenant firm by explanations during the 40 days and by raising up Paul.

 

[EarlyActs]

2. It isn't about a treaty with countries for 7 years. The new covenant was established during and after His ministry. A person can simply take all the NT references to the new covenant and form an answer.