I asked you to show me explicitly where it states that Jesus second coming is in Revelation 21-22. You have failed. Where is Jesus name, and His coming in power and great glory? Why is this all about New Jersusalem, if this is Jesus returning on the clouds of heaven, in power and great glory? (As Jesus said of Himself in Matthew 24.) So, as I said it would be over. It's done. There is no discussing anything with you.
Yes, and the question was answered. It was also answered in avoidance of all the questions I
first asked you. Post 71 changes the question. One of the ways the entire exchange between you and I could be characterized is, "
I am not going to answer or address any of the inquiries Josh posts but I am going to demand he answer everything I ask."
My answer to your question is to say the phrase "
the second coming" is an addition to the Bible! That phrase does not exist
anywhere in the Bible. The closest anyone will ever get to THE second coming is Hebrews 9:27 which specifically and
explicitly states that when Jesus "
appears" a second time he does so for a salvation that has nothing to do with sin.
Hebrews 9:28 NAS
so Christ also, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time for salvation without reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.
Hebrews 9:28 KJV
so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Hebrews 9:28 ESV
so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
...and
there is no mention of him physically living on earth! My answer to your question is to tell you
the question itself is flawed. That qualifies it as a red herring. That red herring would not have been committed without the pre-existing doctrinal bias.
Let's observe what just happened because despite the fact few if any of my inquires, requests, and observation have been addressed, I freely, willingly, directly and
immediately answer all the questions I am asked. Furthermore, in my last post I made note AGAIN of how frequently you read scripture inferentially and thereby invariably add things to it the verses cited never state. You readily admit you read scripture inferentially but that's the only bit of honesty I've received, and it took many posts to get to that fact. This is another occasion where what I post perfectly reconciles with what scripture actually
explicitly states and where there is no scripture
explicitly stating what you post. Do not assume Hebrews 9:28 - the only verse in the Bible specifically mentioning a second appearance - means Jesus is physically on earth (especially not for a literal 1000 years).
The fact is
Jesus comes many times in many ways for many purposes in the New Testament and very few of them have him physically on the earth. The normal, standard operating procedure, the overwhelmingly most frequent report of scripture is both the LORD and the Lord do not set foot
physically on the earth. In point of fact, Jesus often comes in ways where there is no report of his physical body! Jesus came in the form of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. Jesus came to Saul on the road to Damascus, but he spoke to Saul on earth
from heaven. Look it up. He came in judgment against Jerusalem in 70 AD, exactly as he had before when he sent the Assyrians and Babylonians in judgments against Israel. Jesus comes many times in many ways for many purposes and Acts 1 does NOT mention the word "
second" or state he is physically on the earth. Every time I'm asked a question I answer it and then ask you something, but I never get an immediate direct answer. I get new questions, new accusations, and new subterfuge.
Will Jesus come
again? Yes!
I am NOT one of those who wrongly think all the prophecies in the Bible are all fulfilled. The historical view in all of Christendom prior to the invention of Dispensational Premillennialism is that the rapture and the "second" or
final coming are not two separate events. That is what Historic Premillennialists believe
and have believed since the first century. It is what the Amillennialists, Postmillennialists, Panmillennialists, and Idealists have believed since the inception of those eschatological points of view. ONLY the Dispensational Premillennial eschatologies (or more generically, the modern futurist eschatologies) think and teach differently. They are the outliers. They are the statistical outliers. They are the normative outliers. Does that automatically make them wrong? No! But since what they teach is some diametrically opposed to the things all other Christians have believed for 20 millennia an examination of the outlying view is warranted. Why? Because if DPism is correct then Christianity has been wrong.
More cogently is the fact (nearly) everything you do with scripture is inferential. Everyone else begins with the plain, blunt,
explicit statements in scripture and works from what is
explicitly stated to what can be inferred only after reading what is written as written.
This can easily and readily be tested with a single question. If the question is answered honestly, directly, unequivocally, and
immediately then some semblance of integrity with God's word is attained. Any delay and/or obfuscation proves my point. Answer
that question before I take up the rest of Post #71. Prove you are capable of parity, Make the next post one word long. Yes or No.
Is the phrase "
the second coming" explicitly stated anywhere in the Bible?
Yes or No