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Total Depravity

Pelagian heresy
You didn't answer my question. You just uttered a pronouncement. But I understand the problem; you can't answer my question. And that is because the newly born has committed no sin. In fact it will be a few years before the newly born will commit a sin.
 
Yes, man is born sinless. what sin has he committed at birth? What lawlessness has he committed? What law has he disobeyed?
This of course is opinion and not based on Scripture.

Where is your proof?
 
You didn't answer my question. You just uttered a pronouncement. But I understand the problem; you can't answer my question. And that is because the newly born has committed no sin. In fact it will be a few years before the newly born will commit a sin.
More opinion not based in Scripture.

That's some really bad theology.
 
You didn't answer my question. You just uttered a pronouncement. But I understand the problem; you can't answer my question. And that is because the newly born has committed no sin. In fact it will be a few years before the newly born will commit a sin.
If he wasn't a sinful being he wouldn't commit any sins when he was a few years old. Do you think sin only becomes sin when the person knows it is a sin? Animals don't commit sin because they are not sinful beings. Sin is against God. It only applies to his image bearers---moral creatures. All humans sin morally against God because they are bent that way, and they got bent that way because of their father Adam.

Here is something you have never addressed:

When Adam ate of the forbidden tree, and Eve too, they gained something that they didn't have before. The knowledge of not only good, but also evil. Now they are changed, and all their posterity is changed in the very same way. All have the knowledge of both good and evil. Sometimes they do good, sometimes they do evil. And either choice is a self centered choice, not a choice based on a relationship with God or for his glory. When evil is judged and destroyed at Christ's return, there will be no more evil to know, only good. Only the Tree of Life, which is a type of Christ.

With that in mind, was Jesus dying on the cross undoing what Adam did for all people without exception at birth. Or was his dying in the place of those who he specifically died for----the ones given to him by the Father---- and for the purpose of undoing what Adam did for them by their being placed in him instead of in Adam, and also taking the just punishment for their personal sins? The first---of the earth, natural. The second of God, spiritual. 1 Cor 15. Planted one thing, (our body dies) raised another, same body but no longer in Adam. We are still in Adam naturally for the moment but we cannot be condemned by our sins or the Adamic nature. We are Christ's. Sealed in him by the Holy Spirit.
 
You didn't answer my question. You just uttered a pronouncement. But I understand the problem; you can't answer my question. And that is because the newly born has committed no sin. In fact it will be a few years before the newly born will commit a sin.
Haha. I answered you. You just deny scripture truth. Not much I can do about that.

Have fun
 
@Lees, I personally think you do not know what you are talking about. Imputation of the sin of one person to another person would be evil. God is not evil. Imputation of the righteousness of Jesus to a believer is merciful. God is merciful.

What you think 'personally' means nothing to me. If you want to call God evil, that is you, not me.

Imputation of Christ's righteousness could not occur without imputation of Adam's sin to his race.

Lees
 
Haha. I answered you. You just deny scripture truth. Not much I can do about that.

Have fun
No you didn't. But more important, if you think a newborn baby can sin, then you haven't a clue even what sin is.
 
What you think 'personally' means nothing to me. If you want to call God evil, that is you, not me.
No that is you. You claim that God would impute the sin of one to another is calling God evil.
Imputation of Christ's righteousness could not occur without imputation of Adam's sin to his race.
Where did that come from? Where is your proof of that.

@Carbon, do you believe what @Lees said there?
 
I gave you scripture proof that you denied.

There is nothing in all of Scripture that teaches or even indicates humans are born sinless.

You have no argument.
If you even knew what sin was, it would be obvious. The biblical definition of sin speaks against even the possibility of a newborn baby sinning.
 
What you think 'personally' means nothing to me. If you want to call God evil, that is you, not me.

Imputation of Christ's righteousness could not occur without imputation of Adam's sin to his race.

Lees
Amen! It's tough dealing with people who deny the truth.
 
No you didn't. But more important, if you think a newborn baby can sin, then you haven't a clue even what sin is.
You obviously do not understand what a fallen nature is.
 
If you even knew what sin was, it would be obvious. The biblical definition of sin speaks against even the possibility of a newborn baby sinning.
Do you really not understand these verses?

Romans 5:12-21 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned— 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the trespass of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come. 15 But the gracious gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many.16 And the gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the gracious gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ. 18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were appointed sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be appointed righteous. 20 Now the Law came in so that the transgression would increase, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more, 21 so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
 
No that is you. You claim that God would impute the sin of one to another is calling God evil.

Where did that come from? Where is your proof of that.

@Carbon, do you believe what @Lees said there?
Why do you ask me that? Would what I say make a difference?

Perhaps you should consider what @Lees is trying to say to you.
 
If you even knew what sin was, it would be obvious. The biblical definition of sin speaks against even the possibility of a newborn baby sinning.
I don't think you take Christians seriously, I think you sit back and laugh, thinking you're giving us a hard time and causing us some confusion. Haha, if so, you're wasting your time. After all, there are many things we mention that are simple and obvious. You must get it. :)
Even talking to people who admittedly do not believe agree with so many obvious things in God's word.
 
You obviously do not understand what a fallen nature is.
Well maybe you could point to the passages in the Bible that discuss that "fallen nature". Otherwise, I will simply consider it more of the Augustinian Gnosticism from his Manicheism background that he introduced into his theology.
 
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